I believe a whole lot of AZre's owe Mr. Wheat an Apology

[Rak9up]

I have known Eddie for many years. I know of his past I am in no way condoning his past actions. Some people have to put their hand on the stove to see that its hot so that they know never do it again.

What I am very proud of is that instead of continuing down that path.. he took something he loved "pool" and learned how to make cues. I was more skeptical than most of you because I knew him personally.
For 8 years I never would buy a cue till he got better with the lathe just because he could play pool and knew a good hitting cue doesn't mean he could make one.

I takes alot of time to build a cue and he just shipped 3 out (slow boat to china maybe but he did come through).
Which just further shows he's not out getting into "trouble".

If you look at the last post Eddie hardly posted at all "for once not throwing fuel on the fire". I'm sure he's learning there's more to being a cuemaker than just building cues, yes the business side (he'll make plenty mistakes and he'll learn from them).

I FOR ONE AM POSTING "CUDOS" TO EDDIE FOR OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO TURN HIS LIFE AROUND.

As for my fellow AZer's in todays world we do need to be skeptical this forum is a great source of communication and a good way to protect the other members from fraud and you guys never miss much.

Eddie keep that lathe turning and stay the course it takes time

 

[Dave38]

I have known Eddie for many years. I know of his past I am in no way condoning his past actions. Some people have to put their hand on the stove to see that its hot so that they know never do it again.

What I am very proud of is that instead of continuing down that path.. he took something he loved "pool" and learned how to make cues. I was more skeptical than most of you because I knew him personally.
For 8 years I never would buy a cue till he got better with the lathe just because he could play pool and knew a good hitting cue doesn't mean he could make one.

I takes alot of time to build a cue and he just shipped 3 out (slow boat to china maybe but he did come through).
Which just further shows he's not out getting into "trouble".

If you look at the last post Eddie hardly posted at all "for once not throwing fuel on the fire". I'm sure he's learning there's more to being a cuemaker than just building cues, yes the business side (he'll make plenty mistakes and he'll learn from them).

I FOR ONE AM POSTING "CUDOS" TO EDDIE FOR OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO TURN HIS LIFE AROUND.

As for my fellow AZer's in todays world we do need to be skeptical this forum is a great source of communication and a good way to protect the other members from fraud and you guys never miss much.

Eddie keep that lathe turning and stay the course it takes time

If one thinks that a guy, who bashed EVERY cuemaker on this forum, makes promises, then takes approx. 7 months longer than his promise to make 2 shafts for a PREMADE cue, then uses every excuse in the world as to why it was late, then ships slow boat to china, and DOESN'T include the promised partial refund, and it shows up with longer than ordered shafts(not to exact specs, as he stated it was) is deserved an apology, you must be smoking something good!! He's a schister, plain and simple!
Maybe he promised you a cue or something to speak up for him, but come on, no one with half a brain would call this 'turning his life around'. Sorry, but I've seen it all play out for the last 10 months, and the only apology that I can think of, would be, I'm sorry Ed, I never thought you were that big of an a$$h@le, but boy did you prove me wrong!!
Dave

 

[derekdisco]

 

[Poolplaya9]

This is a post that I was going to make in the Charlie Edwards/Eddie Wheat thread earlier today but it was closed before I clicked "post reply." It just so happens that the post was still saved on my clipboard and addresses your new thread perfectly, so I submit it as a reply to you here.

(Wednesday 8-27-08 8:01 AM CST) Wheat sent me a PM yesterday saying the cue would be shipped today and he would send tracking information.

(Thursday 8-28-08 7:11 AM CST) Overnight I got a PM from Mr. Wheat saying the cue HAS been shipped via USPS priority mail (insured). He didn't send tracking numbers.

Who in their right mind wouldn't just send the cue overnight insured with tracking numbers to begin with after all the mess you have had to deal with for 8 months? Eddie at least told you he would send tracking numbers but that just turned out to be another lie. Did he even ship it on Wednesday like he said he did, or was that another lie too?

(Thursday 8-28-08 4:20 PM CST) For those who are interested... 2 more cues were shipped out today !
Gordon Phelps - Maine
Mike Anderson - Canada
I'm really busy trying to get ALL my customers orders processed and completed.... Just thought I would take a break and give you guys the updates !
Take care everyone !
- Eddie WHeat

You could take a break to hijack his thread for your own self promotion but you couldn't be bothered to send him the tracking information like you said you would?

(Saturday 8-31-08 6:22 PM CST) For those of you who are interested in seeing my ACTUAL work and some customer's cues I thought I would display them again....
I take alot of pride in my cuemaking and enjoy what I do very passionately !
Remember : All cues shown in these pics were 100% built to the customers precise specifications !
NOT BAD CONSIDERING THESE CUSTOM BUILT/TAILORED "TOOLS" START AT ONLY 350.00 :joyful:
Just a few more pics to show the quality of my woods and craftsmanship for those who can appreciate the world of custom cuemaking !
Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

You are the whole cause of this unhappy customer and thread, and yet you hijack it again for shameless self promotion? Is there ANYTHING that is off limits to you? Too bad you don't take any pride whatsoever in your customer service, honesty, integrity, responsibility, or common decency.

(Tuesday 9-2-08 12:14 PM CST) The Wheat cue didn't come in todays mail.
Eddie, you need to post the insurance #... seriously!

He was too busy hijacking threads for shameless self promotion to be bothered to worry about such trivial things as keeping his word.

(Thursday 9-4-08 5:39 PM CST) The cue just arrived! UPS. No partial payment was enclosed... but that's OK, all I ever wanted was what I paid for to start with.
I looked the cue over and checked the specs; 13mm and 19 oz., ivory ferrules, balance point is 19.25'' from the rear. That's what I wanted. But the cue is not 58''. It's 59.3'' long. The butt is 29'' and the shafts are 30.3'' long. Since I intend to sell the cue, the buyer will know exactly what they are getting.

It sounds like the only way he can get a cue to the correct weight and balance point on a cue is by changing the length of the cue. Not the sign of a competent cuemaker IMO, and he was off by over an inch from giving you the length you requested. I thought he built cues exactly to the customer's specifications? Guess that is just another one of his lies too...

Rak9up, you can't really be serious about what you are saying can you? You think because he kept his mouth shut for two days (when he actually should have opened it for a change to at least give the tracking number like he said he would) that he is some righteous dude now? It must be that because nothing else has changed. Please explain why on earth you feel anyone would owe Mr Wheat an apology for anything.

 

[Dave38]

He can't even remember that he stated 'he sent it USPS Priority Mail,' but it shows up with UPS????? I didn't realize that they work together
I'm starting to wonder how many ID's Eddie has created lately to try and bolster his standing around here.(and maybe start threads like this one)

 

[Rak9up]

Are you guys complete idiots rather than building and delivering cues and since his record won't let him get a "normal job". You think he ought to go back to his old ways? I for one think the first place he should hit is Dave's shop or Poolplaya9's house just for being that dumb(here's your sign).

I never said he was "rightous" and I do think that his Professionalism needs alot of work.

But he is passionate and will get better at all aspects of the business.

Obviously you missed the point completly

 

[Hidy Ho]

He can't even remember that he stated 'he sent it USPS Priority Mail,' but it shows up with UPS?????

It looks like cue was shipped UPS ground which explains the time period it took for the cue to arrive instead of USPS priority mail.

Now I wonder what other cue makers would send a cue using UPS ground

 

[ribdoner]

significant deposits are silly

to prepay is lunacy

 

[jasonlaus]

Did Smorg survive this ordeal? I'm a little concerned.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Did Smorg survive this ordeal? I'm a little concerned.

He went into a diabetic coma.
Sad.
You can't have two boxes of Krispy Kreeme donuts in one sitting.

 

[ribdoner]

He went into a diabetic coma.
Sad.
You can't have two boxes of Krispy Kreeme donuts in one sitting.

JAYSON can, SMORGIE can't:smile:

 

[qbilder]

It looks like cue was shipped UPS ground which explains the time period it took for the cue to arrive instead of USPS priority mail.

Now I wonder what other cue makers would send a cue using UPS ground

I have done it. But I provide tracking, too. But with USPS express, there's no reason to ship a cue CONUS any other way. USPS provides the box, tracking, signature required, and over night delivery except to remote locations in which it's 2-day, all for around $25 insured, $35 with HIGH insurance. Heck, I just ordered 50 boxes, 50 labels & 50 customs forms & it costed me ZERO delivered. All I pay is the shipping, which is contracted through Fedex.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Are you guys complete idiots rather than building and delivering cues and since his record won't let him get a "normal job". You think he ought to go back to his old ways? I for one think the first place he should hit is Dave's shop or Poolplaya9's house just for being that dumb(here's your sign).

I never said he was "rightous" and I do think that his Professionalism needs alot of work.

But he is passionate and will get better at all aspects of the business.

Obviously you missed the point completly

The only idiots here are the ones that think it is "obvious that he is trying to turn his life around," or that "a whole lot of AZer's owe Mr. Wheat an apology."

Of course I wouldn't want him to go back to his "old ways," that is if he had ever actually left them. Unfortunately he doesn't appear to have changed much at all (nor does he appear to have any desire to). He is still screwing people, he just does it in different ways now. He still has almost no honesty, integrity, responsibility, decency, or common sense.

You are also wrong about him not being able to get a "normal job." If he wanted one he could get one (and he probably should, because I highly doubt he is going to have much success as a cuemaker). True, he may not be able to work for the CIA, but there are lots of things that he could do if he wanted to.

The first place he should hit is my house huh? That's real mature. Just goes to show that you are the same type of person he is. You two deserve each others friendship. But before you consider any more threats I should tell you that anybody coming to my house with criminal intent isn't going to like it, and I can promise you that.

I didn't miss the point. The point is that you try to see things while wearing a blindfold.

 

[Charlie Edwards]

It sounds like the only way he can get a cue to the correct weight and balance point on a cue is by changing the length of the cue. Not the sign of a competent cuemaker IMO, and he was off by over an inch from giving you the length you requested. I thought he built cues exactly to the customer's specifications? Guess that is just another one of his lies too...

Concerning the specs; When I ordered the cue the specs were to be 58'', 19 oz., 13mm, and somewhat forward balanced. Then I told him how I wanted the tapers.

Later Eddie started posting that he favored longer cues. That's when I started to get concerned about the length. I then STRESSED (several times) that my cue MUST be 58'' and nothing else. Look back on one of his recent post and he described it as being 58'' long.

One of the several times that he said the cue was finished, I replied to him and told him to check the length and not to ship it unless it was exactly 58''. He replied back that the cue was, in fact, exactly 58''.

I really think that was probably the reason he waited so long to ship a completed cue. But who knows? Now I'm stuck with a odd length cue that will probably be hard to sell.

But that's OK... at least this very unpleasant experience has come to an end for me. For that I'm grateful. Maybe I can get something for the cue and not have to take a complete loss.

 

[Flex]

Concerning the specs; When I ordered the cue the specs were to be 58'', 19 oz., 13mm, and somewhat forward balanced. Then I told him how I wanted the tapers.

Later Eddie started posting that he favored longer cues. That's when I started to get concerned about the length. I then STRESSED (several times) that my cue MUST be 58'' and nothing else. Look back on one of his recent post and he described it as being 58'' long.

One of the several times that he said the cue was finished, I replied to him and told him to check the length and not to ship it unless it was exactly 58''. He replied back that the cue was, in fact, exactly 58''.

I really think that was probably the reason he waited so long to ship a completed cue. But who knows? Now I'm stuck with a odd length cue that will probably be hard to sell.

But that's OK... at least this very unpleasant experience has come to an end for me. For that I'm grateful. Maybe I can get something for the cue and not have to take a complete loss.

Can you post up some photos of it? How does it hit? How would you characterize the degree of squirt it produces on the cue ball when hit hard with a tip and a half of english?

I have some friends who might be interested in the cue.

Thanks,

Flex

 

[Charlie Edwards]

Can you post up some photos of it? How does it hit? How would you characterize the degree of squirt it produces on the cue ball when hit hard with a tip and a half of english?

I have some friends who might be interested in the cue.

Thanks,

Flex

Flex, I don't own a camera. The cue is nice quality and would be well worth what I paid for it if it was a standard length.

It hits very nice. Since I'm wanting to sell it as new, I haven't chalked it. From my extensive experience with cues, I can only imagine that the squirt would be like any other 13mm ivory ferruled cues.

I have one person that may want it. If that doesn't go I will offer the cue for $525. shipped. It has a 3/8 x 10 pin and the butt is a standard 29''. This cue would be excellent for anyone that likes a 59'' cue or has after market shafts for it.

 

[CamposCues]

Cue

I haven't bothered to follow the history of the situation, but if the shaft is just an inch too long, any cue maker should be able to take an inch off with not too much trouble.

 

[Charlie Edwards]

I haven't bothered to follow the history of the situation, but if the shaft is just an inch too long, any cue maker should be able to take an inch off with not too much trouble.

Thank you sir, for the info. I would rather sell the cue as is. I just don't want to put more money into it. But that's something for the new owner to consider.

 

[Rak9up]

The first place he should hit is my house huh? That's real mature. Just goes to show that you are the same type of person he is. You two deserve each others friendship. But before you consider any more threats I should tell you that anybody coming to my house with criminal intent isn't going to like it, and I can promise you that.

I didn't miss the point. The point is that you try to see things while wearing a blindfold.

I do apoligize that comment was out of line.

But in today's world when people who start down a bad path usually do not try and change they usually try being better crimminals was the point I was trying to make.

I am sorry that Mr. Edwards is not totally happy with the cue.

You guys make it sound like he's some kind of internet fraud taking money and delivering nothing.
Just find it Ironic that if you had ordered a southwest and was put on a 2 year waiting list you'd be ecstatic.
I'm not plugging his business but I know there's already enough bad people in the world I would like to see him make it.
You can never have enough good cuemakers

 

[Blackjack]

Long - but this needs to be said

Can you post up some photos of it? How does it hit? How would you characterize the degree of squirt it produces on the cue ball when hit hard with a tip and a half of english?

I have some friends who might be interested in the cue.

Thanks,

Flex

The cue is absolutely beautiful. Eddie's cues are awesome.

Charlie said he doesn't have a camera, but I am pretty sure that the picture of me holding the cue will give you a basic idea of how it looks.

Eddie's cues hit extremely well. Charlie posted that in the thread that was eventually closed. I have shot with one of Eddie's earlier cues, and believe me, his work is awesome.

About an apology...

I don't know how to react to that.

I stuck my neck out to let people know that Eddie had shipped the cue. Did Eddie ever try to confirm that information or update it? No he didn't. That surprised me. Eddie's a friend and I had his back, but did he have mine?

A few months ago I showed up at Eddie's front door to find out for myself how Eddie is. I like Eddie, I really do. He's a very nice person, great to talk to, very motivated about pool. I am sure that anybody that knows Eddie will tell you the same thing. Of course he has issues in his life, we all do. We all have things in our past that we're not proud of. Posting Eddie's arrest history wasn't necessary - in fact it was kind of childish. I don't give a shit what the excuse was for doing that, it wasn't the right thing to do, and that's coming from someone who used to be police officer.

I would recommend Eddie to any player that is looking for a great cue.

Understand that the process is going to take a while. Getting a cue in 7 months is pretty quick - but when it is promised in 90-120 days, Eddie needs to honor that, or make provisions for when the work is delayed.

Apology? The only apology that should be made is from Eddie Wheat to Charlie Edwards. It should be done publicly.

I don't think that Eddie's promotional tactics are helping him at all. All this nonsense isn't necessary.I don't see Mason or Doug Patrick or Willie or Eric Crisp or any other cue maker having the same issues that Eddie is having.

There comes a point where you can't say that it's everybody else. Eddie enjoys the excitement generated by these threads - so I doubt he's sitting at home with his head in his hands praying for this situation to change. If you know Eddie, you know what I just said is true.

My only problem with Eddie is that he needs to provide his customers with more information than they need. I learned how to do that a long time ago. It is better for the customer to have more information about the services, changes in the progress or delays in completion, and the shipping. Give people more information than they need.

What that will do, is give the customer the impression that you value their business and their trust. Realize that the trust and satisfaction of the customer is more important than the money paid for the services. Others that do business on this forum within the billiards industry understand what I am talking about.

Also, if you do business on this forum, learn how to communicate effectively with the people you are dealing with. Lately there are more threads about bad deals and misunderstandings between buyers and sellers - and it really has gotten out of hand. It's an epidemic.

If you are selling something, beware of the traps of the rip off artists. Protect yourself no matter what end of the deal you are on. Play it smart. Of course every once in a while something will happen that is unavoidable. Most of these situations occur in the presence of poor communication.

Let it be known that Eddie is not a bad guy at all.Not everybody is going to like him. He doesn't always do the right thing or say the right thing or present himself acceptably to the masses - but he does make a great cue. He does need to learn a lot about customer service. This transaction (although it was a bumpy ride) had a happy ending and somebody somewhere is going to have a great cue.