I believe a whole lot of AZre's owe Mr. Wheat an Apology
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Thanks for the clarification. I was really making as assumption.PROG8R said:
Ok, I was wrong. I still don't owe Eddie an apology, but RAK9UP is not Eddie, so I apologize to you.
It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.
Blackjack said:
Blackjack......A lot of your words have some merit and I'm sure eddie can use all the friends he can pile on. Don't know the guy...never have talked to the guy....after a pm/email communication I have had with him, I will never care to met or know the guy. All I know about eddie is from his dealings here on AZ. Unfortunately for him, he is the one that has made his own bed here.
BUT......If you truly believe this....I have to say, you do not get out much.
To put eddie in the same category as say....John Showman..Dennis Searing....Bob Manzino....these are three that pop right off the top of my head and I'm sure there are quite a few more, you sir, could not be any further from home base.
How can you objectively sit back and allow your brain to soak in such jibberish?
He wouldn't qualify to sweep the floors in any three of these shops.
I will not apologise for honesty.
I'll add that I'll agree with at least one poster here in wondering how many accounts does the man have?
I'll also openly wonder,if his ability to do honest business is as shown,whats the point in more than one?
So, lets recap. Charlie calls Ed to place order, they discuss, Ed says I have this cue all done. Charlie says, great, but I want 2 shafts instead of one, both with ivory ferrules and I need it by a certain date. Ed says no problem, be a few weeks. Charlie pays in full $700, Basically waiting on 2 shafts to be finished, NOT a WHOLE cue to be built. Then months go by, missing Charlie's delivery deadline, many excuses given, then Charlie brings it to the public's eye, after Ed continuously bragging publicly that he's way ahead of all the other cuemakers delivery times. Then Ed basically blames everything from green shafts, mother nature, and even Charlie. Ed than makes a statement that it's ready, and Charlie will get a partial refund when he gets the cue, which will ship that week. Then in another post he states that it was built according to Charlies specs (mind you it was already built before Charlie ordered) and was 58" long. That week goes by and another, and at the end of the following week, he states in a pm that it was shipped via USPS priority mail that day and would send tracking number.
5 days go by, no word from Ed concerning tracking numbers, and then on the 6th day, cue shows up, lo and behold, by UPS ground, not USPS as Ed stated it had been shipped, and it's over 59" long, not 58" as was Charlie's specs. Oh and lets not forget that there wasn't any partial refund as Ed PUBLICLY stated would be included.
I must ask, how many lies have to be exposed, and people screwed, before people realize that he's NOT an honest guy, and is incapable of running an honest business??And as of this minute, there has been NO PUBLIC APOLOGY from Ed concerning any of this debacle! Yes Charlie finally got a cue, but it isn't what he ordered, and DEFINATELY not in the timeframe he needed it for(it was to be a gift) And he was continuously lied to by Mr Ed. Oh lets not forget the one true friend that tried to stand up for Ed, Blackjackwho got left to hang out in the wind by Ed.
I must ask, who in their right F$#King mind would want to deal with someone like this, even if they built the best cue anyone has ever seen??
I hope the future customers will get to see this thread and the preceding ones and will be able to reap some knowledge from this BEFORE ordering a cue from him. He's the one who proclaimed he was better, cheaper, faster, and customer oriented more than any other. Sorry Ed to tell you the bad news, but you're not. If this is 'the proof in the pudding' as he always proclaimed, then someone is currently starving from lack of pudding.
In this industry, as a builder, one's word is all that really means anything . When you don't have that, you have nothing.......
This will be my last post in this thread or any other concerning Mr Ed, as he has shown he really isn't worth the time, and his actions in this matter speak volumes more than any one person, such as myself, could.
I hope the admins keep this thread on here, even if it's closed, so that others may educate themselves in the future about a builder named Ed Wheat.
Dave
5 days go by, no word from Ed concerning tracking numbers, and then on the 6th day, cue shows up, lo and behold, by UPS ground, not USPS as Ed stated it had been shipped, and it's over 59" long, not 58" as was Charlie's specs. Oh and lets not forget that there wasn't any partial refund as Ed PUBLICLY stated would be included.
I must ask, how many lies have to be exposed, and people screwed, before people realize that he's NOT an honest guy, and is incapable of running an honest business??And as of this minute, there has been NO PUBLIC APOLOGY from Ed concerning any of this debacle! Yes Charlie finally got a cue, but it isn't what he ordered, and DEFINATELY not in the timeframe he needed it for(it was to be a gift) And he was continuously lied to by Mr Ed. Oh lets not forget the one true friend that tried to stand up for Ed, Blackjackwho got left to hang out in the wind by Ed.
I must ask, who in their right F$#King mind would want to deal with someone like this, even if they built the best cue anyone has ever seen??
I hope the future customers will get to see this thread and the preceding ones and will be able to reap some knowledge from this BEFORE ordering a cue from him. He's the one who proclaimed he was better, cheaper, faster, and customer oriented more than any other. Sorry Ed to tell you the bad news, but you're not. If this is 'the proof in the pudding' as he always proclaimed, then someone is currently starving from lack of pudding.
In this industry, as a builder, one's word is all that really means anything . When you don't have that, you have nothing.......
This will be my last post in this thread or any other concerning Mr Ed, as he has shown he really isn't worth the time, and his actions in this matter speak volumes more than any one person, such as myself, could.
I hope the admins keep this thread on here, even if it's closed, so that others may educate themselves in the future about a builder named Ed Wheat.
Dave
Charlie Edwards said:
I hate jinxed cues. I had one that finally mysteriously disappeared. I don't want to go into details but that cue haunted me. This was a pretty arduous process to get a cue. I wouldn't be able to stand it either if I had to go through all that.
I put Robert Olson through it to get his FREE JB Case that he won in a raffle here. He was kind enough to endure the missed deadlines and continuous excuses. Since then I am trying to get everyone's order on a schedule that can be stuck to rigorously.
The worst possible thing that you can do on these forums is to screw someone. Because that will become part of the permanent record every single time someone does a search on your product.
I have been doing business on internet pool forums since 1997. I have jerked a few people around and eventually they got tired of waiting and outed the issue online. Nothing hurts worse than to see your inadequacies brought out in public.
So my advice to ANYONE thinking of doing business here is to STAND BY YOUR word and try your best to get things done on time. I am still working on it and the people I do business with are pretty gracious. Communicate and be truthful about how things are going.
And if you get on here and BRAG about what you can do, you damn well better be able to do it.
Charlie, you are a great person and a great customer. I consider it an honor that you took a chance and purchased one of my early JB cases, in fact, the first JB Case I ever offered for sale. I hope that you are able to put the jinxed cue out of your mind and hope even more that someday you will recover the money you paid for it. Don't put it in my case!
SpiderWebComm said:
Might want to PLANT it instead. With EW's use of unseasoned shaft wood it just might grow. Heck maybe that's why it 59 " it's still growing! Hopefully it won't grow into a huge tree that falls on your house. On second thought cut it into 20 pieces and bury each piece at least three miles apart from any other piece. Oh wait that could grow 20 trees that fall on 20 houses. OK OK I know! Burn it! no that could start a wild fire burning down every house on your block. Shoot it! that's the ticket just shoot it ...wait the bullet could bounce off the super glossy finish and put your eye out or worse. There is only one safe thing for Charlie to do with the cue...Send it back to Ed Wheat and let it haunt him. Of course some might argue it is already haunting Ed.
Sorry Charlie but it looks like you're going to have to enter the Federal Witness Protection program. Do it before it's to late!!!
You forgot about another possible lie where Eddie PM'd Charlie Wednesday night and said the cue had already been shipped out earlier that day. Blackjack swore up and down that his very trustworthy friend actually gave Eddie the ride to the post office and was with him when the cue was shipped out on Friday. We already know it wasn't shipped from the post office, so that part at least was obviously a mistake. Charlie, can you confirm if Eddie finally told the truth about something when he said he had shipped it out on Wednesday, or if that was yet another lie? I can't imagine that anybody would actually try to lie about that, but then again this is Eddie we are talking about.Dave38 said:
Also, I think I remember reading that there were at least four seperate occasions over the course of the eight months where Eddie told Charlie that the cue was ready to be shipped, or would be shipping within a week. I'm sure there were even more lies that were missed by just going off the top of your head...
Why Bother ?
Is this the National Enquierer ?
Why do we find it necessary to continually respond to an obviously delusionary,egomaniac ? He is a lost soul and I wish him no ill will. He is his own worst enemy. Do we need a 200 post thread on the soap opera (that Ed Wheat has become,) every few days ? I have to think most of the responder's on these threads, are people who go to car races, only to see a fatal crash. This will be my LAST response to any of these self promoting, whining, begging, insulting, obnoxious posts.
I have better things to do. Like, my dogs need a bath.
Dick
Is this the National Enquierer ?
Why do we find it necessary to continually respond to an obviously delusionary,egomaniac ? He is a lost soul and I wish him no ill will. He is his own worst enemy. Do we need a 200 post thread on the soap opera (that Ed Wheat has become,) every few days ? I have to think most of the responder's on these threads, are people who go to car races, only to see a fatal crash. This will be my LAST response to any of these self promoting, whining, begging, insulting, obnoxious posts.
I have better things to do. Like, my dogs need a bath.
Dick
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JB Cases said:I hate jinxed cues. I had one that finally mysteriously disappeared. I don't want to go into details but that cue haunted me. This was a pretty arduous process to get a cue. I wouldn't be able to stand it either if I had to go through all that.
I put Robert Olson through it to get his FREE JB Case that he won in a raffle here. He was kind enough to endure the missed deadlines and continuous excuses. Since then I am trying to get everyone's order on a schedule that can be stuck to rigorously.
The worst possible thing that you can do on these forums is to screw someone. Because that will become part of the permanent record every single time someone does a search on your product.
I have been doing business on internet pool forums since 1997. I have jerked a few people around and eventually they got tired of waiting and outed the issue online. Nothing hurts worse than to see your inadequacies brought out in public.
So my advice to ANYONE thinking of doing business here is to STAND BY YOUR word and try your best to get things done on time. I am still working on it and the people I do business with are pretty gracious. Communicate and be truthful about how things are going.
And if you get on here and BRAG about what you can do, you damn well better be able to do it.
Charlie, you are a great person and a great customer. I consider it an honor that you took a chance and purchased one of my early JB cases, in fact, the first JB Case I ever offered for sale. I hope that you are able to put the jinxed cue out of your mind and hope even more that someday you will recover the money you paid for it. Don't put it in my case!
I can't really say that John and I are close friends, but I have known him a long time now. I first met him when he came out with the "In Stroke" line of cases. These quickly became the standard in the industry and the benchmark most everybody else aspired to. At least the ones who were making larger style cases. And I LOVE Whitten cases, but they are a different animal, very slim and slick.
What I remember is John was showing up at every pro event in the 90's and he had a truck load of new cases with him every time. And they were selling like hot cakes. Good quality and good pricing makes for frequent sales. Most if not all of those old In Stroke cases are still around, testament to their quality. I even bought one which I still own 15 years later. It's pretty beat up but only one clasp is missing. And there are two butts and four shafts residing in it now.
What I always liked about John was the fact that he had product to deliver at the time of sale, no messy deposits or wait time. And he stood behind his cases, making adjustments and repairs if necessary. I witnessed him take a return on an older case with a damaged clasp and repair it at no charge. I notice these kind of things.
I hadn't seen John in a few years when he walked up to me at the last WPC in Manila. He had two BEAUTIFUL Fellini style case in his hands and asked me what I thought about them. I checked them out and told him I thought they were fantastic. And they were! Well made, snug fit, good linings, quality leather and a smart look. He then asked me which one I liked best. So I picked one and he handed it to me. I was FLOORED! He said it's yours, thanks for helping me out years ago.
I don't know what I did to help him, other than to give him a prime location at a couple of events. And admire his workmanship. So I just wanted to publicly thank John again for his generosity, and let him know there is treasured Tad resting in that case now. That one stays in my safe. Maybe my best cue in my favorite case. Thanks John, you're forever cool with me!
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Are your dogs up at this hour? Are you sure they're not raccoons?SJDinPHX said:Is this the National Enquierer ?
I have better things to do. Like, my dogs need a bath.
Dick
SpiderWebComm said:
Charlie's a shrewd man. :smilewinkgrin: He knows that this cue has the markings of being as infamous as the pistol that killed poor old Abe Lincoln. That cue goes in the closet to wait for it to become the first Wheat/Balabushka.
JoeyA (likes people who work to turn their lives around & think Charlie Edwards is A-OK!)
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Rak9up said:
I believe you've been smoking crack:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=112143
The End All of End All's
I've got an idea how this whole sorry mess can get buried, dead, and gone, with everyone getting a good dose of appropriate Kharma.
My idea: Have Mr. Edwards or someone close to him set up a paypal account for donations. Interested AZB members can then donate $5.00 or $10.00. Once a certain amount has been raised, say $500.00 - we get someone over to Mr. Edwards House with a video camera, and we have a video tape made of CE snapping the cue in half, then breaking the butt down with an axe, and then burning the cue in a fire. Cut to a scene of the ashes being scooped up, and placed at the base of a rose bush, and the ashes being watered into the ground. As the camera fades out, words come up over the now out of focus roses that say, "To anyone that feels they need an apology owed..." - fade to black.
The video is then posted on YouTube for all to enjoy, Mr. Edwards keeps the donations. Donors get to enjoy a proverbial pool-world (cue) snuff film, and Mr. Wheat gets to spend whatever time he wants thinking about how much nicer all those roses will look with that fresh ash soaking into their roots.
In the end, EW made the Cue, CW Got the Cue, CW doesn't have to worry about any bad sale to a 3rd party, and we can all walk off into the sunset saying "Ashes to Ashes, and Dust to Dust".
I've got an idea how this whole sorry mess can get buried, dead, and gone, with everyone getting a good dose of appropriate Kharma.
My idea: Have Mr. Edwards or someone close to him set up a paypal account for donations. Interested AZB members can then donate $5.00 or $10.00. Once a certain amount has been raised, say $500.00 - we get someone over to Mr. Edwards House with a video camera, and we have a video tape made of CE snapping the cue in half, then breaking the butt down with an axe, and then burning the cue in a fire. Cut to a scene of the ashes being scooped up, and placed at the base of a rose bush, and the ashes being watered into the ground. As the camera fades out, words come up over the now out of focus roses that say, "To anyone that feels they need an apology owed..." - fade to black.
The video is then posted on YouTube for all to enjoy, Mr. Edwards keeps the donations. Donors get to enjoy a proverbial pool-world (cue) snuff film, and Mr. Wheat gets to spend whatever time he wants thinking about how much nicer all those roses will look with that fresh ash soaking into their roots.
In the end, EW made the Cue, CW Got the Cue, CW doesn't have to worry about any bad sale to a 3rd party, and we can all walk off into the sunset saying "Ashes to Ashes, and Dust to Dust".
I'm in for $20.
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