I could be dead wrong, but imho...

fan-tum

fan-tum

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..the inherent weakness of a very compact stroke like Hopkin's has resulted in misses on shots everyone else has been making at the pred/14.1. No disrespect to a great player though. And I realize his extracurricular activities have probably dulled his sharpness.
 
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Are you talking about the guy with a 5-0 record in that tourney???

ummm it can't be too detrimental if he's sitting at 5 wins and 0 losses....

Jaden
 
He's always had that stroke and it never affected him before. He's had at least one World 14.1 championship and 2 U.S. Open 9 ball titles so it must work well enough, not to mention a high run of 421 balls!
 
You may be wrong

I dunno fan-tum, but with all do do respect, you may have


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I think that short poke stroke of his may possibly get him in trouble in 9-ball from time to time - maybe length of the table draw shots?
I don't really see it hurting him in other games. I'm not saying his jab/poke stroke is good, but he gets away with it.
 
fan-tum....a player that is world 9ball champ and world 14.1 champ all before he's legal to drink in most states can have ANY friggin stroke he wants.....


if you want.....call your local champ...I'll call my friends and we can set up a little "fun" with the old guy with the poke stroke....


BTW...he really sux at 1 pocket.....


G.
 
fan-tum said:
..the inherent weakness of a very compact stroke like Hopkin's has resulted in misses on shots everyone else has been making at the pred/14.1. No disrespect to a great player though. And I realize his extracurricular activities have probably dulled his sharpness.
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I'll bet you're that guy who walks into a room full of brain surgeons and starts giving them advice on how to do their jobs.:thumbup:

All jokes aside, everyone notices the "Unusual" stroke that Allen has, and you're not the first person to comment on it; however, it's my opinion that until you get your medical degree and become a brain surgeon yourself, maybe you should avoid embarrasing yourself by trying to point out the flaws in their techniques.
 
fan-tum said:
..the inherent weakness of a very compact stroke like Hopkin's has resulted in misses on shots everyone else has been making at the pred/14.1. No disrespect to a great player though. And I realize his extracurricular activities have probably dulled his sharpness.
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Actually I think there are several advantages to Allen's compact stroke. Repeatable and bulletproof are only a couple. Danny Diliberto also did pretty well with a similar stroke. It's like a boxer with a short straight right hand that keeps knocking out his opponents. Allen and Danny knocked out a few of their own over the years. :thumbup:
 
fan-tum said:
..the inherent weakness of a very compact stroke like Hopkin's has resulted in misses on shots everyone else has been making at the pred/14.1. No disrespect to a great player though. And I realize his extracurricular activities have probably dulled his sharpness.
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What exactly is the inherent weakness of that stroke?
 
Allens stroke

Are we taking about the same guy I saw a few minutes c ago come from
being down 99 to 3,to win a match to a 150.
 
no, i think that the worst stroke honors go to Ismael Paez. there's a 9ball vid of Paez vs Immonen in the finals. ya gotta see it to believe it. after every stroke paez flicks his cue off to the side. it's the most disconcerting thing i've ever seen. google "immonen vs paez" and you'll see what i mean. i had trouble watching... BTW: this was a championship match but the play really sucked.
 
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no, i think that the worst stroke honors go to Ismael Paez. there's a 9ball vid of Paez vs Immonen in the finals. ya gotta see it to believe it. after every stroke paez flicks his cue off to the side. it's the most disconcerting thing i've ever seen. google "immonen vs paez" and you'll see what i mean. i had trouble watching... BTW: this was a championship match but the play really sucked.
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good point, I had forgotten about him!! Those 2 players are exactly the example of what you shouldn't do when you learn how to stroke. I would never suggest beginners to try and learn the fundamentals by looking at them.
 
I've always used a poke stroke like Allen's. I feel that when i feel my stroke and aim target is fixed a short or poke-stroke gives less of a chance for my cue to move off line. A draw-shot and a few others I use a longer stroke. I know, I'm no Allen Hopkin's before you say it. Johnnyt
 
Also, if you look at a lot of the pros over time that are/were short when they started to play at a young age you'll find most of them don't have a picture perfect stroke...but it works very well for them. I might add it makes it easier to hustle. Guys look at that stroke and say...he can't be any good with that stroke...SURPRISE. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Also, if you look at a lot of the pros over time that are/were short when they started to play at a young age you'll find most of them don't have a picture perfect stroke...but it works very well for them. I might add it makes it easier to hustle. Guys look at that stroke and say...he can't be any good with that stroke...SURPRISE. Johnnyt
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i've always hated watching people hit balls using that type of stroke. but i've seen a couple of people that really make it work for them
 
I have seen Hopkins play many times in NJ and if you just came from the planet Gorkin and watched him play for just a minute or two you would think this guy can't play a radio with that stroke.
But after ball after ball gos in the pockets and the cue ball looks like its on auto pilot you realize you are watching a great player. His stroke is very unusual but it works.:thumbup:
 
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