I have a question that is begging to be answered?

realkingcobra said:
Why are there so many AZ members that are such experts on cues, tips, chalk....sparing no expense when it comes to going after and getting that THING of value to you, sometimes even waiting years and years to get that cue you want. Talking about ever use tip to hit the market, even to the point of nit picking it to death, right along with the newest crazy chalk....BUT, when it comes to your pool table (s) most of you, and I'm not saying all of you, BUT most of you don't give a shit about checking out the person's work, and if they're any good at their job....yet you'll hire them unchecked? And further more, a lot of you own pool tables I wouldn't even consider working on as a lot of them are just not worth the investment. ...yet, there it is, right there....surrounded by your $$$$$$$$'$ of dollars worth of of cues?....I mean, not only do a lot of you not own a Diamond pool table, you don't even own a Gold Crown....why is the most important part of this game the deciding factor as to where you cheap out with the money?
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You don't take your pool table with you when you go play in another place, which is where a lot of players do most of their playing at.

If it's not there for competition, it likely does not matter as much how it's setup like a proper tip and shaft does.

An OK table for some practice works as long as it's not totally messed up.

I'm not going to spend double the money to get another 5-10% of improvement on a table.
 
Glen-

I understand your point, and in response, I had some very good guys that came in from out of state, that recovered the tables for my local pool room, and asked that when they came back in town to recover and set up my table.
The pool room owner recovered his tables often and they were always kept in perfect condition. So I knew what kind of work they did and what to expect when they were complete. For the record I have an old Gold Crown with green Simonis 860. The pool room uses the more popular (today) of the blue.

But to answer your question, I didn't think a Diamond table was a good value verses the availability and playability of Gold Crowns. Trust me I could easily afford either, but I chose to take an old Gold Crown and power coat the metal. IMO, it turned out excellent.

Now if you would answer me this question.

Why would an obviously talented guy (YOU), be so adversarial and condescending to potential customers? You could easily be the best resource for all of us here. But in my experience is that there are several talented people in all fields. I suggest there are many can do a task as remedial as repairing a pool table, without the drama.

After seeing your posts, and some posts of some of your customers, it amazes me that you are kept busy.

I wish you the best of rolls,

Ken Strain
 
I've never liked the way Diamonds play - gimme a Gold Crown or Anniversary anyday. My next table is going straight to Mark Gregory and possibly the rails of my current 10' Arcade if I decide to keep it.
If there were 30 guys like you (RKC) and Mark the pool world would be a better place
Jason
 
3kushn said:
Jump into the carom table business. It'll drive you crazy. We all know everything there is to know.:wink:
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Ken_4fun said:
Glen-

I understand your point, and in response, I had some very good guys that came in from out of state, that recovered the tables for my local pool room, and asked that when they came back in town to recover and set up my table.
The pool room owner recovered his tables often and they were always kept in perfect condition. So I knew what kind of work they did and what to expect when they were complete. For the record I have an old Gold Crown with green Simonis 860. The pool room uses the more popular (today) of the blue.

But to answer your question, I didn't think a Diamond table was a good value verses the availability and playability of Gold Crowns. Trust me I could easily afford either, but I chose to take an old Gold Crown and power coat the metal. IMO, it turned out excellent.

Now if you would answer me this question.



After seeing your posts, and some posts of some of your customers, it amazes me that you are kept busy.
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So, am I at risk of running out of GC's and Diamond's to work on in this country?
 
realkingcobra said:
Unless you had it refinished at some point in time, that's a GC2....GC1'S were never offered with a stained finish, that wasn't offered until the GC2s' were available, in fact the stained finish is the only thing that separates the difference between the 2 models. All the changes to a GC2 came out on the GC1 first...except the stained look.
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The owner before me stripped the table. If I knew what I know now I would have had it professionally painted in a period correct color before having it assembled. It sat for a couple of years until I built the room in the basement where it is now. I hold-out hope that someday maybe I can move-up to a restored GCI, Anniversary, or Centennial, but in the meantime I treasure having a real table at my disposal.
 
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realkingcobra said:
So, am I at risk of running out of GC's and Diamond's to work on in this country?
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No probably not. I have spoken to several guys that set-up tables and they use your name as a punch line to some jokes, but I suspect that there are some folks that buy into that you are the ABSOLUTE GOD of setting up a table.

I never doubted that you are talented guy. My point is that there are ALOT of talented folks out there, and some of us don't buy into that there is only one person that can do the work that is required. That includes me and that also includes surgeons, lawyers, CEO of companies, etc.

I hope you can keep busy on tables, because it would pi$$ me off to have you on the government dole and have to contribute a dime to keep you alive.

So once again, I wish you the best of rolls and your continued success.....

Ken
 
realkingcobra said:
But I've seen people here on AZ that own tens of thousands of dollars in cues, asking where they can get the cheapest price on Simonis cloth, only to settle on a cheaper made cloth, then hire a hack to install it....then have the nerve to come back on AZ only to brag about how well the cloth performs, and how much they saved over the price of Simonis....on their piece of shit pool table:confused:
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Because a lot of those people with tens of thousands of dollars in cues don't often play with them. Sure, they all have a love for pool to some extent, but they have a passion and a love for the cues, the designs, the execution, etc..

The table is, to them, just a surface the game is played on. But the game is secondary to the passion for the cues.

B <---------- knows there are some guys here with $100k in cues that can't even run a rack
 
Ken_4fun said:
No probably not. I have spoken to several guys that set-up tables and they use your name as a punch line to some jokes, but I suspect that there are some folks that buy into that you are the ABSOLUTE GOD of setting up a table.

I never doubted that you are talented guy. My point is that there are ALOT of talented folks out there, and some of us don't buy into that there is only one person that can do the work that is required. That includes me and that also includes surgeons, lawyers, CEO of companies, etc.

I hope you can keep busy on tables, because it would pi$$ me off to have you on the government dole and have to contribute a dime to keep you alive.

So once again, I wish you the best of rolls and your continued success.....

Ken
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Ken, it still baffles me that you have no idea what I do...LOL I don't go around the country setting up pool tables for people that just need them set up, nor do I just simply put new cloth on someone's pool table when it needs replaced. THAT is all installer work, I don't do installer work buddy. The calls I get are from the customers. The customers that have already had the local best work on their pool table, and realize what they want done to their pool table is beyond the skills of the local best, that's what I do. If everyone that worked on pool tables as you've mentioned could do what I do, then yes, I'd be out of a job....but I'm backed up by years worth of work....so, why is that Ken? Why is it that the installers as you put it, talk about me in their jokes....losing their work to me? It's Their customers that are contacting me to work on their pool tables, not me contacting them....why is that buddy?

Got a call from Mickeys cues & Brews the other day to come out to Vegas and build out a one pocket table because the players out there are not happy with the other pool rooms that use to have the reputation for the gambling tables....until someone worked on them, now they hate playing there....why is that Ken? If I were you, I wouldn't believe everything you hear about the customers that you claim I have done work for that are so unhappy with my work. To my knowledge, no one has ever complained about I pool table I've worked on....not one, why is that Ken? Yes, it's true I have a list of customers that will never be able to hire my services, and yes you're on that list, you already know that....but the waiting list for customers that want my services is to long to even consider counting. I could lose 400 customers on that waiting list and never know it, because they'll get replaced by 400 new ones....that I wouldn't even know about, why is that Ken????
 
Ken_4fun said:
No probably not. I have spoken to several guys that set-up tables and they use your name as a punch line to some jokes, but I suspect that there are some folks that buy into that you are the ABSOLUTE GOD of setting up a table.

I never doubted that you are talented guy. My point is that there are ALOT of talented folks out there, and some of us don't buy into that there is only one person that can do the work that is required. That includes me and that also includes surgeons, lawyers, CEO of companies, etc.

I hope you can keep busy on tables, because it would pi$$ me off to have you on the government dole and have to contribute a dime to keep you alive.

So once again, I wish you the best of rolls and your continued success.....

Ken
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Ken, I challenge you to provide the name of ONE of them so called "just as qualified" installers you like to refer to when you're trying to put me down, that has done more than set a table up or change the cloth on a pool table at the customers home. Tell me the name for all here to read and call upon for work, of the person that has rebuilt and refinished a customers pool table at their house, and then set it up and installed the cloth, I dare you!
 
realkingcobra said:
Ken, it still baffles me that you have no idea what I do...LOL I don't go around the country setting up pool tables for people that just need them set up, nor do I just simply put new cloth on someone's pool table when it needs replaced. THAT is all installer work, I don't do installer work buddy. The calls I get are from the customers. The customers that have already had the local best work on their pool table, and realize what they want done to their pool table is beyond the skills of the local best, that's what I do. If everyone that worked on pool tables as you've mentioned could do what I do, then yes, I'd be out of a job....but I'm backed up by years worth of work....so, why is that Ken? Why is it that the installers as you put it, talk about me in their jokes....losing their work to me? It's Their customers that are contacting me to work on their pool tables, not me contacting them....why is that buddy?

Got a call from Mickeys cues & Brews the other day to come out to Vegas and build out a one pocket table because the players out there are not happy with the other pool rooms that use to have the reputation for the gambling tables....until someone worked on them, now they hate playing there....why is that Ken? If I were you, I wouldn't believe everything you hear about the customers that you claim I have done work for that are so unhappy with my work. To my knowledge, no one has ever complained about I pool table I've worked on....not one, why is that Ken? Yes, it's true I have a list of customers that will never be able to hire my services, and yes you're on that list, you already know that....but the waiting list for customers that want my services is to long to even consider counting. I could lose 400 customers on that waiting list and never know it, because they'll get replaced by 400 new ones....that I wouldn't even know about, why is that Ken????
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....your the best Julian.....
 

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Hey Glen I gotta admit that I take a little exception to your "even a GC" comment. I would not trade my GC for a Diamond, although I did have the rails done and new cushions & cloth so that figures into my decision. I have far more invested in my table than any 2 cues that I own. I made my GC purchase a few months after I started playing pool. I was given a free table, I set it up and found out how miserable it played and almost immediately began looking for another table. I had gone to a somewhat local pool room a couple times and found out I really liked the way a GC played, (I did not know that Diamond even existed at this time) even with the little pool experience I had. I got lucky and found my GC for dirt cheap, played on the original configuration for 2 years then sent the rails out to have the sub-rail modifications and new Artemis cushions installed. I ended up having to learn how to install the Simonis bed cloth myself because after checking out the work of local installers their caliber of work was just not up to par. The only problem I had with the cloth was I have a couple stretch shadows that can be seen from mainly 1 direction, I have a feeling it is more of a problem with the darker green color than with blue, it will be getting new cloth this fall already so that will no longer be an issue. Anyway, I figured out pretty early that it would not be a good idea to put the incorrect cushions on my table because when it shrank the playing area it would change the 2-1 ratio. Whats the point of learning the game on a kittywhumpas table??? I do not regret 1 penny of the money I spent acquiring my table or for the modifications, I think it was money well spent. I also do not need to worry about my table growing legs while at league or a tournament, it would be pretty tough to walk off with my table without me noticing. As far as the playing quality of tables I was at a tournament over the weekend and the bars local table mechanic came around to re-level all the tables...........with a carpenters level. These same tables also had many wrinkles and loose/wavy cloth on the rails I do not understand why some people tolerate this kind of craftsmanship.
 
realkingcobra said:
You know that old saying don't you, "what can't get up, can't get out"....LOL
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Sorry to hear about your sexual dysfunction.
Perhaps if you spent less running around here with hard-on it would rectify itself. :wink::D
 
Bottom line is ya got yer snobs and ya got yer who-gives-a-shit-let's-play types. Only the snobs think everyone should be snobs.

Dave
 
fastone371 said:
Hey Glen I gotta admit that I take a little exception to your "even a GC" comment. I would not trade my GC for a Diamond, although I did have the rails done and new cushions & cloth so that figures into my decision. I have far more invested in my table than any 2 cues that I own. I made my GC purchase a few months after I started playing pool. I was given a free table, I set it up and found out how miserable it played and almost immediately began looking for another table. I had gone to a somewhat local pool room a couple times and found out I really liked the way a GC played, (I did not know that Diamond even existed at this time) even with the little pool experience I had. I got lucky and found my GC for dirt cheap, played on the original configuration for 2 years then sent the rails out to have the sub-rail modifications and new Artemis cushions installed. I ended up having to learn how to install the Simonis bed cloth myself because after checking out the work of local installers their caliber of work was just not up to par. The only problem I had with the cloth was I have a couple stretch shadows that can be seen from mainly 1 direction, I have a feeling it is more of a problem with the darker green color than with blue, it will be getting new cloth this fall already so that will no longer be an issue. Anyway, I figured out pretty early that it would not be a good idea to put the incorrect cushions on my table because when it shrank the playing area it would change the 2-1 ratio. Whats the point of learning the game on a kittywhumpas table??? I do not regret 1 penny of the money I spent acquiring my table or for the modifications, I think it was money well spent. I also do not need to worry about my table growing legs while at league or a tournament, it would be pretty tough to walk off with my table without me noticing. As far as the playing quality of tables I was at a tournament over the weekend and the bars local table mechanic came around to re-level all the tables...........with a carpenters level. These same tables also had many wrinkles and loose/wavy cloth on the rails I do not understand why some people tolerate this kind of craftsmanship.
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I've always said there's no such thing as a bad GC, only the work that has done on them in the past. I can work on any pool table out here, but I prefer Diamonds or GCs'.
 
Cobra, Real King-

Help me because I am a complete idiot when it comes to tables. I will end up with one and I would probably go with a Diamond, but only because the tables I play on are Diamonds. I remember Gandi, Mali (?), GC, etc., but I don't remember how they played.

Can you please educate me as to why a Diamond is the best table (is it?)? What makes a table good vs. poor?
 
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