I was SCAMMED on Accu-Stat DVD's!

petemoss

petemoss

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I responded to a For Sale listing for 65-70 new Accu-Stat DVD's from indy1p.
This is the original listing http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=187837. The seller indicated that he was selling the box of DVDs for a friend and even gave me a refund of $100 explaining that someone had notified him that the DVDs could be fake bootleg copies, but they seemed all right to him. As long as they were watchable copies, I was fine with that. I ended up paying $300 for 67 DVDs, mostly Accu-Stat one-pocket matches.

When the DVD's arrived, I counted only 26 different titles! Many were duplicates, with three or four copies of the same title. In addition three boxes were empty with no DVD! I emailed the seller right away, telling him I was not satisfied with our transaction. I offered several ways to make it right, either with a partial refund or by giving me some additional DVDs. (He had previously told me that he had over 1500 DVDs and sent me a list.) Now he is denying any responsibility for the transaction or any refund, giving me the email address of his "friend".

I am so mad that I let myself get scammed by a seller with no ITrader rating. On this forum, I have over 30 transactions and on Ebay over 180 transactions with 100% positive feedback. I've always been careful to deal with experienced sellers with a long history of honorable transactions. I made an exception in this case and got burned! Oh, the DVDs were definitely bootleg copies. I noticed that the seller has edited his original post, removing the blurry picture of the DVDs and his description. I doubt that he will be listing here again, but if he should, be aware!
 
Do not deal with NO ITRADER sellers or buyers unless using Escrow or pay first. I learned the hard way too.
 
Make sure to follow-up with a negative itrader so other people won't fall victim. sorry bro...
 
That sucks.

Gives people like me with only 1 itrader score a bad name. Although I Am VERY Trustworthy.
 
Scammed

He sent me a nasty offer for a cue and something bothered me about his approach ,so I turned him down.Wow am I glad. Larry
 
petemoss said:
I responded to a For Sale listing for 65-70 new Accu-Stat DVD's from indy1p.
This is the original listing http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=187837. The seller indicated that he was selling the box of DVDs for a friend and even gave me a refund of $100 explaining that someone had notified him that the DVDs could be fake bootleg copies, but they seemed all right to him. As long as they were watchable copies, I was fine with that.
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So you had no problem buying copied accustats DVD's?
 
You got robbed while trying to rob Accu-Stats and are upset? I'm not sure what response you expected from AZ members but you can buy most Accu-Stats dvds for 10-15 and help support Pat Fleming, a Hall of Famer for his efforts in filming them.
 
i think this title should be edited. it can be mistakenly read that accu-stats is at fault, which clearly isn't the case. is there anyway this can be done?
 
Why do you think sympathy is between shit and syphilis in the dictionary?

The "DVDs could be fake bootleg copies" should have been enough to stay away.

But then to buy them and cheat Pat. The other is I think Pat can have you arrested for a Federal offense for having them.

Not a smart post.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
The original ads has been edited, and is for the most part gone.
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No it is not. It is quoted in the 2nd post.

To the OP, Did you use paypal? Do a chageback.
Selling bootlegged tapes is illegal. Paypal frowns on illegal transactions.
Were they shrink wrapped as stated in the original post.
Have you posted bad rep and negative ITrader yet?
 
rackem said:
No it is not. It is quoted in the 2nd post.

To the OP, Did you use paypal? Do a chageback.
Selling bootlegged tapes is illegal. Paypal frowns on illegal transactions.
Were they shrink wrapped as stated in the original post.
Have you posted bad rep and negative ITrader yet?
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This is what is left of the Original Post!!!..

"65-70 brand new accu-stats still shrink wrapped - 05-20-2010, 10:05 PM
sollllllllllllllllllllllld

If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something.
Last edited by indy1p; 05-20-2010 at 10:50 PM. "
 
alstl said:
So you had no problem buying copied accustats DVD's?
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yeah that part isn't real cool but it's not really the point. the guy's pointing out someone here that's trying to rip off us az'rs. it's important to let everyone know who the thieves are early
 
If I remember correctly, the original ad never mentioned anything about the fact that any of the DVDs were "possible" boot-leg copies. Rather, it stated that they were shrinkwrapped, which I interpreted as meaning that they were in the original packaging. If he had mentioned TO ME at ANY time during the transaction that they were possible boot-legs, I would not have finished the transaction. That would have been a real warning bell...along with his statement that "I'm not going to make a list anything, what you see is what you get".

I think it is a damn shame for someone to come on here and rip someone off...just a damn shame!!

Joe
 
I'm kinda torn on this one.

Nobody should get less than what they paid for and no one has the right to
misrepresent a product or service that's offered on here, BUT....

if your friendly neighborhood drug dealer gave you Manitol instead of cocaine, do you really have any recourse??

-von
 
Agreed Joe.

Remember folks, a supply of shrink wrap AND the special purpose "heat transfer appliance" (aka a hair dryer) costs under $100.00 at Costco.

Big difference between NEW and "shrinkwrapped", and con men know how to leverage it.

-von

Bamacues said:
If I remember correctly, the original ad never mentioned anything about the fact that any of the DVDs were "possible" boot-leg copies. Rather, it stated that they were shrinkwrapped, which I interpreted as meaning that they were in the original packaging.
Joe
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Wow, he turned my offer down because of a higher offer (yours). I would have been a hot potato. Sorry to hear of the problem. Yes, the itrader means a lot. It establishes a form of integrity, especially when honorable and straightforward deals occur over time.

Martin



petemoss said:
I responded to a For Sale listing for 65-70 new Accu-Stat DVD's from indy1p.
This is the original listing http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=187837. The seller indicated that he was selling the box of DVDs for a friend and even gave me a refund of $100 explaining that someone had notified him that the DVDs could be fake bootleg copies, but they seemed all right to him. As long as they were watchable copies, I was fine with that. I ended up paying $300 for 67 DVDs, mostly Accu-Stat one-pocket matches.

When the DVD's arrived, I counted only 26 different titles! Many were duplicates, with three or four copies of the same title. In addition three boxes were empty with no DVD! I emailed the seller right away, telling him I was not satisfied with our transaction. I offered several ways to make it right, either with a partial refund or by giving me some additional DVDs. (He had previously told me that he had over 1500 DVDs and sent me a list.) Now he is denying any responsibility for the transaction or any refund, giving me the email address of his "friend".

I am so mad that I let myself get scammed by a seller with no ITrader rating. On this forum, I have over 30 transactions and on Ebay over 180 transactions with 100% positive feedback. I've always been careful to deal with experienced sellers with a long history of honorable transactions. I made an exception in this case and got burned! Oh, the DVDs were definitely bootleg copies. I noticed that the seller has edited his original post, removing the blurry picture of the DVDs and his description. I doubt that he will be listing here again, but if he should, be aware!
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