Ken_4fun said:
Its always easy to tell who is a stand up gentleman. Ken you are top shelf for sure sir.:smile:
Identify Yourself
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Its always easy to tell who is a stand up gentleman. Ken you are top shelf for sure sir.:smile:
I have only asked one cuemaker on here to tell us who he is that chose not to. So most of the cuemakers do not mind having a name along with what they write. But some feel the need to hide their identity. If they want to be nice and hide their identity that is okay, but if they just want to flame I wish they would go elsewhere. And I wish that cuemakers could answer the questions without the non-cuemakers putting their flames on top of it so much.
Good Point, JesPiddlin
Good point given regarding anonymity.
I think most folks are just tired of the rudeness that anonymity condones.
Some are abrasive and let us know who they are; you have to respect that. (You don't have to like it or them, but you have to respect it, for they've put themselves out there.)
For those who are rude and revel in anonymity- No Respect.
~Beau
JesPiddlin said:
Good point given regarding anonymity.
I think most folks are just tired of the rudeness that anonymity condones.
Some are abrasive and let us know who they are; you have to respect that. (You don't have to like it or them, but you have to respect it, for they've put themselves out there.)
For those who are rude and revel in anonymity- No Respect.
~Beau
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Jer, I think there is such thing as the Common Sense test, and that test will have as many levels as the abilities of users on this forum. Many times, Cue makers right here on this forum that are Known Cue Makers, can't agree on a subject. They use different techniques to accomplish the same mission, so I think if some one fails the common sense test, and takes the advise of a bored Teenager, Cue Building may be a little to complicated for that individual, and they should find another line of work or another hobby. Lets face it to learn this skill you must have some type of mechanical aptitude, along with many many more skills. Not everyone will ever deserve or achieve the title Cue Maker, or especially Master Cue Maker. Most will never progress beyond Beginner or Cue Assembler, due to their individual ability, and time allotment for learning the trade. I personally think that names are not as important as things some one has to say. I mean look at Eddie Wheat we all knew him, but with that said how many cue makers are going to follow his advise, I mean many things people say just don't pass the Bullshit Test!!!!!
No disrespect intended
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private section
What would be great is a private section for cue repair
& cue builder people only!
There would be a pass word to enter.
You identify yourself, What you do, How long you have
been in the business...ect (to get the password)
It would be a place where the exchange of info. &
discussion on different process/ways of construction,
good source of wood, bad source of wood, ect..ect
(only people involved in cue building & repair allowed in)
Everybody would know everybody!!!
One happy family! :rotflmao1:
no...ew....allowed in..
later,
sax
What would be great is a private section for cue repair
& cue builder people only!
There would be a pass word to enter.
You identify yourself, What you do, How long you have
been in the business...ect (to get the password)
It would be a place where the exchange of info. &
discussion on different process/ways of construction,
good source of wood, bad source of wood, ect..ect
(only people involved in cue building & repair allowed in)
Everybody would know everybody!!!
One happy family! :rotflmao1:
no...ew....allowed in..
later,
sax
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jsaxman said:What would be great is a private section for cue repair
& cue builder people only!
There would be a pass word to enter.
You identify yourself, What you do, How long you have
been in the business...ect (to get the password)
It would be a place where the exchange of info. &
discussion on different process/ways of construction,
good source of wood, bad source of wood, ect..ect
(only people involved in cue building & repair allowed in)
Everybody would know everybody!!!
One happy family! :rotflmao1:
no...ew....allowed in..
later,
sax
It does exist. It's the ICA. You pay $100 annual dues, which in my mind is a small contribution to the folks who are actively working at enhancing the art.
Mcues said:Joey,
It seems that you in particular have been trashed at times, not so much by the so called trolls and people hiding but by some of the good old boys whose rudeness exceed the boundaries of patience. Now, if we all fully identify ourselves
Maybe is not about who you are or what you know but rather the willingness and open mindness to communicate in a respectful honorable way whatever your personal experiences have been. The so-called newbie or passerby will have to sort out the info on their own just like the rest of us have done.
I read this board atleast once a day and sometimes a few times. I'm very grateful for all the information that has been and will be shared in the future. I hardly ever respond because is insane most of the time.
For some this is an advertizing tool therefore they have to appear more knowledgeable, more rigid, and wear bigger halos than the Saints themselves. Let's not kid each other, they do get business from the website. God bless them. Just don't come accross too self sacrificing.
AS far as I'm concern I don't want to know anymore information than what the individual is willing to share within his comfort zone.
Mario
The so-called newbie or passerby will have to sort out the info on their own just like the rest of us have done.
Mario, I think you make a very good point here, if they don't have the common sense or the machanical aptitude to separate the bullshit from the useful information nothing will help long term.
jsaxman said:
There's already at least one place like that. Become a cuemaker or repairman and join a respectable organization that believes in things being that way and you get perks like that. They're out there.
BLACKHEARTCUES said:
Hi JER,
You're absolutely correct and I agree totally! It would be great,but my point is that, in a PUBLIC forum, that's impossible. When I first started posting my "dumb" questions a few years ago, I'd read ALL the responses and then make my own decision. I understood this and I would hope that anyone else that uses this forum has the same common sense. It doesn't take too long to figure out who's full of BS and who's truely helpful.
The turn that has bothered me is not regarding the RESPONDERS. One person here has now started posting what I consider a "snotty" reply to questioners that he will not answer their question until they identify themselves. I think that's just uncalled for! If you don't want to answer the question...just don't!
cueman said:
People can agree to disagree without all the flaming and nonsense. THat's probably the main thing I think this forum really needs... less flaming. On a scale of 1-10 in the scheme of what's important in life, if it doesn't rate within the top 3, forget it and go on. It ain't worth working up a heart attack over! (or causing one for someone else!!)
Questions
Bill the Cat said:
ELBeau said:
No, sir, I don't have to respect people who are abrasive, whether or not I know their name. If someone is uncivil, rude, berating, overbearing, unreasonably demanding, and so on, I don't need to respect that. I might understand it given difficult circumstances, but I won't condone it, or accept it, or respect it or them.
There are many excellent cuemakers on AZ, and I've received help from quite a few. However, there are some who seem to go out of their way to try to boss people around, and I don't accept that. Some of them have an obvious ego problem, or maybe they have SBS (spoiled brat syndrome) or perhaps they were only children who always got their way, throwing temper tantrums and the like. Some could even give Archie Bunker the 5-out in terms of attitude.
It shouldn't be hard to understand that when a cuemaker is forthcoming and helpful and makes good suggestions and so on that they will be high on my list for potential transactions.
Flex
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If people were required to identify themselves they'd just lie about their identity.
Some folks are going to run their mouths and it's not hard for the rest to see that's who they are and once that's seen nobody pays any attention to their crap.
New "laws" won't change people Jer. Good people have been trying to legislate behaviour for eons and it doesn't work. There will be low-lifes for the forseeable future and we all just have to learn to fade it and continue to try to contribute to the general good hoping to make things a little better.
Easy for me to say. I havn't been seriously attacked.
Yet. :groucho:
Some folks are going to run their mouths and it's not hard for the rest to see that's who they are and once that's seen nobody pays any attention to their crap.
New "laws" won't change people Jer. Good people have been trying to legislate behaviour for eons and it doesn't work. There will be low-lifes for the forseeable future and we all just have to learn to fade it and continue to try to contribute to the general good hoping to make things a little better.
Easy for me to say. I havn't been seriously attacked.
Yet. :groucho:
My 2 cents
First and foremost I'm not a cuemaker....but I do highly respect and appreciate what you guys do and build.
I enjoy learning about cuemakeing and getting to know the cuemakers somewhat. Just because I learn some of the tricks of the trade dosen't mean I have the skill/time/tools/expertise/parts/knowledge/luck/ to do what you guys do.
This "PUBLIC" forum only helps YOUR business
It doesn't take someone very long to see who has knowledge and skill and see their personallities. I have chosen and had a few cues made due to this public forum.
Intelligent people understand this is a public place no different than say a poolhall.
If you were with a group of your friends and valued customers in a poolhall and someone you didn't know said something negative you said "I'm taking my cue and not coming back because of one jerk's comment that I don't even know".
OMG you wouldn't make it 5 minutes in my poolroom.
As for making this a private forum it would only hurt your business not mine
I find that people that do a good job and back their work knows the truth and so do their customers and don't fear negative comments.
For those that do post here...... THANK YOU
Remember
If you lose your left arm
your right would be left
First and foremost I'm not a cuemaker....but I do highly respect and appreciate what you guys do and build.
I enjoy learning about cuemakeing and getting to know the cuemakers somewhat. Just because I learn some of the tricks of the trade dosen't mean I have the skill/time/tools/expertise/parts/knowledge/luck/ to do what you guys do.
This "PUBLIC" forum only helps YOUR business
It doesn't take someone very long to see who has knowledge and skill and see their personallities. I have chosen and had a few cues made due to this public forum.
Intelligent people understand this is a public place no different than say a poolhall.
If you were with a group of your friends and valued customers in a poolhall and someone you didn't know said something negative you said "I'm taking my cue and not coming back because of one jerk's comment that I don't even know".
OMG you wouldn't make it 5 minutes in my poolroom.
As for making this a private forum it would only hurt your business not mine
I find that people that do a good job and back their work knows the truth and so do their customers and don't fear negative comments.
For those that do post here...... THANK YOU
Remember
If you lose your left arm
your right would be left
The International Cuemakers Association has such a forum, but you have to be a paying member of the association to access the forum.jsaxman said:What would be great is a private section for cue repair
& cue builder people only!
There would be a pass word to enter.
You identify yourself, What you do, How long you have
been in the business...ect (to get the password)
It would be a place where the exchange of info. &
discussion on different process/ways of construction,
good source of wood, bad source of wood, ect..ect
(only people involved in cue building & repair allowed in)
Everybody would know everybody!!!
One happy family! :rotflmao1:
no...ew....allowed in..
later,
sax
Note: I just read page four and found one of our members Eric had already posted this. One of the big advantages to a private Cuemakers and Repairman forum is that when someone shares a source for supplies, the customers are not automatically finding out what the cuemakers are paying for supplies. Almost no business in the world tells it's customers where and what they are paying for parts.
On the other hand I like this public forum when it is used for it's intended purposes. Asking cuemakers questions and getting answers. Nothing else. PM any supply sources and no trashing.
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I personally do not like the idea of giving out my personal information (name, address and phone nbr) on a public forum for security reasons. Keep in mind that anyone in the world who has internet access can see this information and there are so many bad people out there who can think of ways to exploit and use this information for their own purposes. Why put yourself in this unnecessary risk?
BUT - I am not hiding either. Anyone interested in knowing who I am can send me a pm and if you seem like a trustworthy fella I'll be glad to share with your my name, address and phone number. As a matter of fact, I have spoken with several cuemakers here before.
For those of you who really have strong opinions about being open and sharing your identity, I can offer you a private forum for you to use. We can use a referal system for adding new members (ie. a new member must be refered by an existing member who will vouch for the new member's identity, etc). We can start with the thread starter and maybe arnot and go from there. I'm sure this idea just needs to get started and the other cuemakers and repair professionals will follow.
For those who know me, they know what my website is and I will not mention it here so I won't be accused of advertising my site. For those interested, pm me. I know a couple of cuemakers here personally and if they can vouch for you then that's good enough for me.
Chris
BUT - I am not hiding either. Anyone interested in knowing who I am can send me a pm and if you seem like a trustworthy fella I'll be glad to share with your my name, address and phone number. As a matter of fact, I have spoken with several cuemakers here before.
For those of you who really have strong opinions about being open and sharing your identity, I can offer you a private forum for you to use. We can use a referal system for adding new members (ie. a new member must be refered by an existing member who will vouch for the new member's identity, etc). We can start with the thread starter and maybe arnot and go from there. I'm sure this idea just needs to get started and the other cuemakers and repair professionals will follow.
For those who know me, they know what my website is and I will not mention it here so I won't be accused of advertising my site. For those interested, pm me. I know a couple of cuemakers here personally and if they can vouch for you then that's good enough for me.
Chris