I'm Calling Out Jay Helfert...
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hemicudas said:
Mike may or may not wish he shot as straight as Louie, and I can't speak for the women, BUT, I am sure of one thing...even though both these great talents wrestled with a host of problems in their life, Mike is glad his life didn't end like Louie's. Mike Massey was able to overcome what destroyed Louie Roberts. And Mike is still touching lives and helping others.
Louie's exit hurt a lot of people who cared for him...Opposit legacies.
jay helfert said:
Jay,
Wikipedia is the tool thesedays for recording histories.
I suggest you tell stories, stirred in with some historical details and some opinions on the game's developments.
Something along the lines of, but more catchy than, "Pool stories from the modern era of the game".
Colin
Russ Chewning said:
It was John Grissim who wrote that book.
Tennesseejoe said:
Now that's encouraging.
hemicudas said:
You should have seen his Elvis impersonations. He had him down. Even all the hip gyrations.
Colin Colenso said:
Thanks Colin. Thats kind of the plan.
jay helfert said:
I could only imagine. the hip gyration, arm swing and ho-ha expression was funny enough, much more for the voice impersonation! my wife and I would be ROFL.
5 minutes
In the mid 70s there was a guy I was suppose to beat in Hattiesburg, MS but couldn't, for what ever reason. I took Steve Oaks to play the guy but he was out of pocket when we were there.
A few monts later my wife and I are out and about in Jackson and run into Louie Roberts. Louie had run all the locals off giving weight so I asked him if he would like to run down the road about 90 miles for a shot at a few thousand? Louie said sure and the three of us are off to Hattiesburg. Just north of the town is a Ramada Inn with a lounge inside. Louie asked me to stop for a minute. I told him there wasn't a pool table in the lounge but he said it didn't matter that he felt odd not having a girl with him and wanted to pick one up before we went to meet our guy. I told Louie we didn't have time because I didn't want someone else to bust the guy before we could. He said all he needed was 5 minutes and if he wasn't able to pick up a girl we would leave. I pulled in and Louie said we didn't have to even get out of the car, he would be back in 5 minutes.
I wasn't going to miss this so my wife and I went in with him. We all walked up to the bar, my wife and I waiting to see what Louie was going to do. Louie walked down the bar, picked the, by far, best looking girl sitting there, who had a guy sitting next to her and said, "Excuse me, my name is Louie Roberts and I am a professional pool player. I am looking for someone who can show me where they gamble here in Hattiesburg." The girl looked at Louie, then back at the guy next to her then back at Louie and said, "I didn't like it here any way. Let's go."
Louie beats our guy for over $6K and we all spend the night at the girl's house.
It just seems to me if you are given the ability to play top speed pool you shouldn't also be given the looks girls can't say no to. Jimmy Reid, too was given both also. I am sure there are more.
jay helfert said:
In the mid 70s there was a guy I was suppose to beat in Hattiesburg, MS but couldn't, for what ever reason. I took Steve Oaks to play the guy but he was out of pocket when we were there.
A few monts later my wife and I are out and about in Jackson and run into Louie Roberts. Louie had run all the locals off giving weight so I asked him if he would like to run down the road about 90 miles for a shot at a few thousand? Louie said sure and the three of us are off to Hattiesburg. Just north of the town is a Ramada Inn with a lounge inside. Louie asked me to stop for a minute. I told him there wasn't a pool table in the lounge but he said it didn't matter that he felt odd not having a girl with him and wanted to pick one up before we went to meet our guy. I told Louie we didn't have time because I didn't want someone else to bust the guy before we could. He said all he needed was 5 minutes and if he wasn't able to pick up a girl we would leave. I pulled in and Louie said we didn't have to even get out of the car, he would be back in 5 minutes.
I wasn't going to miss this so my wife and I went in with him. We all walked up to the bar, my wife and I waiting to see what Louie was going to do. Louie walked down the bar, picked the, by far, best looking girl sitting there, who had a guy sitting next to her and said, "Excuse me, my name is Louie Roberts and I am a professional pool player. I am looking for someone who can show me where they gamble here in Hattiesburg." The girl looked at Louie, then back at the guy next to her then back at Louie and said, "I didn't like it here any way. Let's go."
Louie beats our guy for over $6K and we all spend the night at the girl's house.
It just seems to me if you are given the ability to play top speed pool you shouldn't also be given the looks girls can't say no to. Jimmy Reid, too was given both also. I am sure there are more.
hemicudas said:
That frickin Louie. Sounds just like him, brazen and bold with the biggest set of b-alls ever. He stayed with me for a couple of months in L.A., living in my extra bedroom with his new wife Holly. She was drop dead gorgeous. I had to basically keep him locked up though, because he was always trying to sneak out and run down the street to the liquor store and grab a six pack.
If he got ahold of booze, he was long gone. VERY hard to deal with when drunk. I loved him, but at the end he was just too much for me to deal with. I had a young daughter living with me, and I began to feel that it was endangering her to have Louie around. So he had to go.
Photos
Fatboy, I'm sure that Jay knows he can sort through the 650+ photos that Mike Haines and I have from the 1980-1986 period for use in the book.Fatboy said:Yeah thats right!!! To write a book. All these great posts are wonderful but they just fade away after a while, before you get too oldand your memorie fades, get going on a book!!!!. I'd bankroll that in a quick minute, I promis you that if properly titled and packaged it would or could cross over to main stream people, a look into the dark side or something but more positive, accounts of players, hustlers, cons, good guys, what being a player is like at all levels, tournments etc.You have it down cold my friend, nobody could do it good as you, and what you dont know you know the people who do to keep it right not fiction.
your friend
fatboy
hemicudas said:
I'll second that. I feel like I have a responsibility now to add to the stories that Freddie has told. So much of this era (60's and 70's) is oral history. The Digest came around in the early 80's and P&B mag in the mid 80's.
Only Conrad and the Billiard News were around back in the 60's and 70's. I wish I would have saved all of them, but maybe he has back issues. Of course the gambling history is barely covered anywhere.
How about: Sweating the Rails - What Really Happened When:
and then you can name each section or chapter to fill in the blank. It will cause intrigue on each chapter or section. Plus, if you have enough material, you could make more than one book out of it by putting the dates and so forth below the title. 1960-1980 & 1980-2000, 2000-?
A series like this would be better for you financially and make it easier for you to expand the books with new sections years down the road. Think residual Dad. JMO
and then you can name each section or chapter to fill in the blank. It will cause intrigue on each chapter or section. Plus, if you have enough material, you could make more than one book out of it by putting the dates and so forth below the title. 1960-1980 & 1980-2000, 2000-?
A series like this would be better for you financially and make it easier for you to expand the books with new sections years down the road. Think residual Dad. JMO
Donovan said:
Glad to see you back Big D. As always, thanks for your input.
SCORES - THE REAL SCORE by Jay Helfert - POOL (1960-1980)
The thing I like about your idea of putting out more than one book with each a "Score" of years as each book may be of greater interest to a particular generation.
SCORES - THE REAL SCORES by Jay Helfert - 1960- 1980.
Nice idea Donovan.
JoeyA
Donovan said:
The thing I like about your idea of putting out more than one book with each a "Score" of years as each book may be of greater interest to a particular generation.
SCORES - THE REAL SCORES by Jay Helfert - 1960- 1980.
Nice idea Donovan.
JoeyA
Jay the plan is to figure out a series of books, it could be based on a time line, or players, locations, or gambling, tournments, 1P or 9B what ever, there is too much for one book. however you chop it up can be figured out later but the one book concept is selling yourself short i think, if its done right it should cross over into main stream media, not just a special interest group, especially if its a few books, the hustler type books would for sure, but the Ronnie vs. Efren part is strictly special interest, if you write them in a way that seperates the content this way it would be better than a single special interest book. my 3 cents it was 2 cents but with inflation etc i raised it to 3 cents.
How much is Jay Helfert being paid to write this book?
Jay, you are getting some really good ideas from a lot of people.
Many authors get a big chunk of money up front from the publishers before the book is even written. That is how they get some say-so about how the book is done. Have you had anyone offer any up front decent size dinero to have dibs on working with you on this book?
It seems that more than just a few of us are certain the book will be a winner.
Good luck. Hope someone with deep pockets fronts you a whole bunch of dough and the book sells great and makes a ton of money
JoeyA
Jay, you are getting some really good ideas from a lot of people.
Many authors get a big chunk of money up front from the publishers before the book is even written. That is how they get some say-so about how the book is done. Have you had anyone offer any up front decent size dinero to have dibs on working with you on this book?
It seems that more than just a few of us are certain the book will be a winner.
Good luck. Hope someone with deep pockets fronts you a whole bunch of dough and the book sells great and makes a ton of money
JoeyA