IPT player list.....who are these players????

I Give In

the ipt came around to bring pool to the public. Not the pool fans that already exist, no, the public, mothers, daughters, grandmothers, uncles, etc. etc. right now no one knows the names of any of the pro pool players. the ipt came around to change that, and put pool on television to give the great pool players respect, and have their names household words. just like in golf baseball and now poker. the ipt is trying to be a good thing for all pool players. since the announcment of the clashes of dates, people have become angered by the ipt, however on closer examination these are the same people who hated the ipt from the start. this forum is getting me down. it got me to the point where i am challenging people i do not know. you can't please everyone all the time, i know this. i wish that people could get along and we all could see the good that ipt has to offer. i just may be the worst player on the list of 150. i really do not know. the truth of the matter is the word tournament means "test" i will be testing myself against the world's greatest 8-ball players. where will i stand? i really do not have a clue. i will say, i will not be in the top 20, but i hope to god i will not be 145-150. so i really do not know where i stand, it is a test. must everyone make fun of everyone else here? must we always doubt and darkin kevin truedue? there is a negitive stench surrounding this forum in the last 24 hours and i for one do not like it. it appears that the players outside of the ipt are throwing stones at the plaers inside the ipt. i wish it would stop. if the world of pool is to grow, it will be through the ipt, for there is no one other person putting in the time,brains and money into it, like the ipt. so what am i saying?

let us all come together and agree that just like our troops, weather you agree with the war or not, we should support our troops, let's get behind the ipt and support it for the good and the future of pool, fair enough?

and for rob, the challenge is off, you'll probally kill me anyway, i can't play that well, i just dabble in it, i am just glad that my sales skills got me into the ipt in the first place, i hope to win one match, and sit and enjoy the rest of them. i know 2006 will be my last year, but i thank god everyday that it looks like pool will finally get the respect that it deserves. ok, i've said enough, i will not be posting here for some time, because i just can't win. talk about me when i'm gone, if you must, and remember, we are all in this together.
 
Bernie

The first point I will address is your statement about players not in the IPT throwing stones at players inside the IPT. I will not do that. It insinuates that some of us are jealous, and for me that is not the case. I had every opportunity to apply for the IPT and made a conscious decision not to based solely on the reputation of Kevin Trudeau and his attitude towards the WPA and pool in general. I would have supported him if he came in as an investor and breathed life in to what was already in place. He chose not to do that and insulted the work that had been done and the people that were working towards progress.

When I first spoke out against this, I warned that if he wanted to he could take his power and money and use cut throat tactics and destroy everything that got in his way. When he released his schedule with blatant disregard for other events, he proved my point.

I completely understand your perspective as a player. This is a great opportunity for you to play with the greatest players in the world. You might even make a little bit of money while you're there. That's great, I have nothing but well wishes for you.BUT.. I do take offense to what you said yesterday, and I will tell you why.

I have already played all the great players that I am going to play. Due to circumstances that I won't go into here, it is no longer possible for me to compete at that level with any chance of consistent success. Instead of unscrewing my cue and saying the hell with pool, and complaining that I never made any money at it, I went out and tried to make a difference and to be of service to the players that are still there. I firmly believe that in pool - you will only get out of it what you put into it. Some players find that difficult to look at, but think about that - honestly. To make a difference, I had to get involved. People have seen me at events talking to everybody - players - industry leaders - promoters - tour directors - addressing flaws in the current status of our relationships with each other. I did this on my own dime and my own time. I received no pay for this. My goal was to try to get the power out of the hands of the tour "owners" and back into the hands of the players. Players were not receiving adequate money due to a lack of leadership and a lack of representation. Players had absolutely no power and no say so.

The IPT doesn't change that. The players have no protection whatsoever and they have absolutely no recourse or representation. As an IPT player, I can guarantee you that you don't have anything in writing and if it folded tomorrow you would not have anything to stand on to ensure you get paid what was promised to you. Having no representation means you have absolutely no say so in what goes on, yet he is making money off of you - the player with TV deals, DVD sales, marketing, etc. Where is your representation? So don't tell me he is the savior of the pool world. I saw this happen with Don Mackey and his war to take pool where he wanted it to go - and it ended up in the toilet. There was nothing the players could do about it. We broke away and formed the PCA. The PCA was a tour by players for players. It was short lived, the formula worked - but - money issues brought it to a screeching halt. The founders of the PCA are not well represented on the IPT. I'll never believe that is an accident.

The day the Camel Tour closed was one of the happiest days of my life. I wasnt happy that there was no tour. I wasn't happy that players would have one less income option. I was happy that Mackey and the people around him had been moved out of the way and removed from the equation. This paved the way for a fresh set of people and ideas to move in and try to create a tour that would prosper and flourish. The major problem was that during Mackey's reign of blunders, a wall had been built between men's professional pool and the billiards industry. There were hard feelings, and that is why the men have not been on television for the past 7-8 years. Say what you want about Charlie Williams, but he worked his tail off starting the UPA. Of course he had problems, but he is a man of vision and a man of action. I'll go out on a limb and say he has been more criticized than KT. Charlie received very little support from within the industry and was securing outside industry sponsorship for his events in the US and Asia. Three cheers for our industry supporting the pro tours. Thank you Don Mackey.

Th whole time this is going on with the UPA, the women have been on TV. Peg Ledman, Vicki Paski, Steve Tipton, and a host of other people have worked tirelessly to build the WPBA into what it is today. It took hard work, vision, a lot of energy and teamwork. IMO, they set the standard for our industry, not Kevin Trudeau. Once again, if Kevin had come in and said, "This isn't right, I'll add $100,000 per Classic Tour event and be the title sponsor for the WPBA," then I would look at his motives much differently. Saying that the smaller tours have done nothing for the players is an untrue statement and a slap in the face to those that have been on the front lines. The money is great, but it really doesn't solve anything.

As far as your participation on this forum, I welcome it. I won't agree with everything you say, but you're a pool player and I understand we can get a little testy at times. That doesn't mean we are mortal enemies, it just means we disagree on certain topics. Feel free to give me a call anytime you need anything, Bernie. I mean that - regardless of what tour you play on.
 
Wow, this thread has made some twists and turns! :o

Bernie, it's time to stop talking and start chalking! :p

I admire your enthusiasm, which at times may come out wrong-headed in the printed black-and-white words. The IPT tour is going to be a hoot this year, and you, my friend, are going to be a part of all of it. Every single one of the 150 players who were selected have something to look forward to. The money is GREAT, but the venues are state-of-the-art and superb. Never before has there been this kind of investment in the sport. Whether you win or lose, Bernie, just stepping up to the plate and giving it your all makes you a winner in my book. Keep on hitting 'em in the holes and enjoy the IPT for everything it offers. See you in Vegas! :)

JAM
 
sjm said:
Of all the injustices surrounding the process, the most glaring is that the 2004 World Champion and 2005 US Open champion, Alex Pagiul;ayan, had to play in the qualifiers to get on to the roster. Yes, I know he didn't file on time, but how silly would this tour be without him? Really, now. In this case, justice was only barely served.

Personally, I see no reason to single out the possibly underqualified here, so I'll decline to comment on that point.
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Why make rules if you just disregard them?

Alex should have filed. Or, failing that, should have said "my mistake, I'll go qualify now." I don't know exactly what happened, but I was fine with the IPT standing by their deadline. It was a rule. Why start a new Tour by ignoring your own rules?
 
8-ball bernie said:
hello, this is bernie friend ipt player as far as being called a good B rated player, maybe so, however, i could rise to an A+ player very easily, and that has been proven. many B players are just that, B players now and forever, no matter, i however, can rise to break and run out into the A+ status, i've proven this to myself and others, now with that all said, oh and by the way, i made my money by playing on bar tables in tournaments, however i excell on regulation sized tables, so don't let the bar table write up fool you, but here is my point, i am not in the same catogory as mika immonen and nick van den berg, two of the greatest players on the ipt in my opinion. now, how did the ipt choose it's first 150 players? enthusiasum, they wanted players that were DIEING to prove their skills, not players that were on the fence. as kevin said at the last meeting in orlando, "hey, if your not keen on this tour, and you feel you don't really want to try to be on it so much, then DON'T!!! i don't want you anyway! i only want players that are pro 8-ball pro money, and pro ipt! makes sense right, so that was the first criteria, the second was what you had to write in, were you coherant, or bla-zay?, then the deadline, how early were you to write in, and also they checked and verified your "story" and if it wasn't true, you weren't in. now the biggest irony of all this is this~~~~~ alex paguliyan perhaps the strongest player right now, along with van den berg, thought that the ipt was invatational, and he waited for THEM to send him an invite, to his suprise, he found out, you had to submit, who you are and what you've won!!! well, he's in the ipt now, and rightly so!! i feel blessed and fortunate that i'm in and i would like to think that my game can stand up to a lot of the other players, i believe it can. oh yeah, let me tell you breifly about the other players, that you might not have heard of, they are SENSATIONAL!!! tammi jones who i had the misfortune of playing was sensational, spot on!!! vince goh was strong and in stroke, phil harrison was the fastest and most accurate player i ever saw, he left me shaking!!!, everyone one of the 150 ipt players that i had the privlage to play with or see shoot, were, fantastic, there will be PLENTY of upsets, and by mid 2007 all the names you never heard of will be the big guns, mark my words, the 150 list is ULTRA-STRONG. as far as my playing, i will hold my own and will play as hard as i can, to stay for the 2007 season, if not, i was privlledged to have had the chance of my lifetime. i hope that everyone here supports the ipt, and let's all watch it unfold before us in 2006.
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I find it hard to believe that this writing skill got anyone into the IPT.
 
George said:
Ok, I'll throw a few names out there but I first want to say that this is in no way a slam of any player and just because I haven`t heard of them doesn't really mean anything.

Broadhurst, Jackie
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne
Czetli, Aaron
Friend, Bernie
Jones, Sammy
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry
Zimmerman, Michael

Now I just want to reiterate that I am in no way knocking any of these players, I just don't know who they are or how they made the list.
There are also others on this list that I do recognize but for the life of me I can't see how they made the list. These players I will not list because I don't want to offend anyone but there are some glaring omissions to this list that I just can't reasonably explain.


George
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Sammy Jones is also a former top road player. He was one of the guys that made a killing in Detroit 20 some odd years ago, when that was THE big action spot. He dropped out of Pool to help raise a family and help run the family business (Pool room and Pool retail stores). I haven't seen him around, since he moved out of Hillsborough, NJ.

Nice guy, always claims that he "can't make a ball into the ocean". :p


Eric
 
ScottR said:
I find it hard to believe that this writing skill got anyone into the IPT.
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Just to clear things up for you - it's skills with a cue that get you into the IPT, not skills with a pen. :P

As far as the main thread... Jackie Broadhurst is a gal out of Denver. I've met her once - very sweet gal. I know her hubby much more than her - we played in the same APA league for a while 'til he got too busy and dropped out.
 
George said:
Thanks for the info JAM. I think the Butera you're thinking of is Lou "Machine Gun" Butera(HOF). Maybe Sal is a relative of Lou?

George
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Sal is Lou's son. Sal is the real deal. He and Sammy Jones were top notchers in their time (Pre and during Camel Tour).
 
ScottW said:
Just to clear things up for you - it's skills with a cue that get you into the IPT, not skills with a pen. :P
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8-ball bernie said:
i only want players that are pro 8-ball pro money, and pro ipt! makes sense right, so that was the first criteria, the second was what you had to write in, were you coherant, or bla-zay?, then the deadline, how early were you to write in, and also they checked and verified your "story" and if it wasn't true, you weren't in.
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I believe this is what ScottR was reffering to.
 
Michael Zimmerman is a fellow AZB'er Zimsrack is his SN.


as for the others, i dont have a clue who they are but it seems that atleast a few people know all the others, personally or by reputation.

And i personally think people look at the list and are like WHo the Fuk is that, because they end up kicking themselves for not dropping the $$ when the IPT was still in infancy.
So yea now you have several unknowns in the group who are going be able to do something many people only dream about and that is play pool on tour with pro's.


dave
 
Don't forget, the IPT is 8-ball. Some of the 150 are not very well known but play jam-up 8-ball. Not too many people had heard of Brian Groce before he won the recent IPT qualifier, primarily (I think) because he was kind of an 8-ball specialist. He plays the game of 8-ball about as well as I've ever seen it played and I look for him to be a major force in the IPT. I know several of the "no names" on the IPT list and they can all play with the big dogs. So far, most of the IPT crew have incurred out-of-pocket expenses (they all had to come to Orlando for the last IPT event) without seeing a nickel in prize money, so I tend to want to honor their commitment and the guts to take a shot on less than a sure thing. Congrats to all 150 - stars and no-names alike!
 
jnav447 said:
Don't forget, the IPT is 8-ball. Some of the 150 are not very well known but play jam-up 8-ball. Not too many people had heard of Brian Groce before he won the recent IPT qualifier, primarily (I think) because he was kind of an 8-ball specialist. He plays the game of 8-ball about as well as I've ever seen it played and I look for him to be a major force in the IPT. I know several of the "no names" on the IPT list and they can all play with the big dogs. So far, most of the IPT crew have incurred out-of-pocket expenses (they all had to come to Orlando for the last IPT event) without seeing a nickel in prize money, so I tend to want to honor their commitment and the guts to take a shot on less than a sure thing. Congrats to all 150 - stars and no-names alike!
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If you hadn't heard of Brian Groce then you dont pay very much attention.
 
StormHotRod300 said:
Michael Zimmerman is a fellow AZB'er Zimsrack is his SN.


as for the others, i dont have a clue who they are but it seems that atleast a few people know all the others, personally or by reputation.

And i personally think people look at the list and are like WHo the Fuk is that, because they end up kicking themselves for not dropping the $$ when the IPT was still in infancy.
So yea now you have several unknowns in the group who are going be able to do something many people only dream about and that is play pool on tour with pro's.


dave
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I think the two Zimmermans are differant people. Linda's husband is a very strong player from the Pacific NW.
 
George said:
Ok, I'll throw a few names out there but I first want to say that this is in no way a slam of any player and just because I haven`t heard of them doesn't really mean anything.

Broadhurst, Jackie
Butera, Sal
Catledge, Wayne
Czetli, Aaron
Friend, Bernie
Jones, Sammy
Jones, Tammy
Keller, Ryan
Murphy, Austin
Raney, Jim
Roberts, James
Schwartz, Larry
Zimmerman, Michael

Now I just want to reiterate that I am in no way knocking any of these players, I just don't know who they are or how they made the list.
There are also others on this list that I do recognize but for the life of me I can't see how they made the list. These players I will not list because I don't want to offend anyone but there are some glaring omissions to this list that I just can't reasonably explain.


George
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Hi this is Aaron Czetli, and for those of you don't know who I am, I wanted to let you know that last year I won the Fiddlestix's Friday night race to one bar box 8-ball tournament twice. I hope this gives you some clue as to what speed I play and why I made it into the 150.
 
huckster said:
I think the two Zimmermans are differant people. Linda's husband is a very strong player from the Pacific NW.
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You are correct. ZimsRack and I have had conversations about the duplicate names. He was being congratulated right and left for making it onto the IPT. :p

My husband, the other Michael Zimmerman, is the one that made it. We are one of 2 husband-wife teams on the IPT. The other is of course, Loree Jon and Sammy Jones.
 
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