Is it possible being a smart, analytical type can actually hold back your game?

Pool is about maintaining focus and not allowing side thoughts to deviate that focus. Often times the thoughts we have are negative which triggers adrenaline to be released. Adrenaline impedes our rational thinking and impairs our playing ability. A person who is very perceptive and constantly thinking will have more emotional triggers than a person who isn't.
 
I dont believe that being a smart (technical) player holds one back. People that seem to think to much may have issues getting into stroke and finding there line for the night. Take what you will from this.
 
Don't be offended, I'm not saying all good players are dumb or smart people will never shoot good pool. It's just something that came up with some friends... Sometimes it seems like the guys who don't think much and just drill balls in are the ones who make it to the A ranks, while other guys like me are barely B players, we're only 60% to make a shot longer than six feet, and mostly rely on knowledge.

We all know the guy who is a genius at some physical activity like pool but can't spell "dog" with three hints. At the other ends of the spectrum are the armchair teaching types who know all the physics and obscure quirks and rules but never place in the money at any event people have heard of.

Can having a surplus of brains just get in your way?

If you never learn to play using the right side of your brain, you will NEVER be able to shoot by feel and just simply visualize the whole shot before shooting. Shooting by feel doesn't include using those fooking aiming methods. Do you use an aiming method that Patrick subscribes to? If so, this could be holding you back also.
 
Let's not pollute the thread with random potshots at other players, or drag aiming into it.
There's a lotta interesting answers.

Another thought... If I think I'm seeing a lot of dumb straight shooters laterly, maybe some of it's bias based on appearances. There are guys that just have a certain look and you just 'know' they're dumb, guys who sport the wannabe gangster drug dealer look, guys who look like they just came from a kegger and got bombed, etc.

But really you can't know, some guys surprise you. I wouldn't take efren for a chess player.
 
There are way more factors- both of influence and in number- that influence how well an individual plays pool, than intillijince
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That said, everybody needs to commit to the shot prior to execution...for best results.
 
If you never learn to play using the right side of your brain, you will NEVER be able to shoot by feel and just simply visualize the whole shot before shooting. Shooting by feel doesn't include using those fooking aiming methods. Do you use an aiming method that Patrick subscribes to? If so, this could be holding you back also.



Consider yourself warned.
 
... Can having a surplus of brains just get in your way?
If you are thinking during the shot, you will probably miss. If you are not thinking during practice, improvement will be slower. There are rare shots that require more than just visualization and making the vision reality. Even on those shots, I'd say that you better not be thinking while your arm is moving.

It is easy to over-complicate shots. The worst I've seen recently was by a "coach" in a league match. The two-level player had three shots near pockets. The "coach" went into several ways that the shots might be played, including what english to use. After all that talk, the poor player missed the first shot. The "coach" -- more accurately, "sadistic tormentor" -- should have just said "Shoot the ball you're most comfortable with and with a nice, soft, straight stroke."

I'm irritated by players who seem to want to figure out all the possible ways to run a rack to make sure they have absolutely the best way. I think it is enough to figure out one reasonable way and start executing. You'll probably have to revise anyway. It should usually take no more than five seconds to figure out a reasonable way to play the next three balls. If you can't, get to a practice table.
 
If you are thinking during the shot, you will probably miss. If you are not thinking during practice, improvement will be slower. There are rare shots that require more than just visualization and making the vision reality. Even on those shots, I'd say that you better not be thinking while your arm is moving.

Is this a re-phrasing of the "never think in the shooting position or shoot in the thinking position"?

It is easy to over-complicate shots. The worst I've seen recently was by a "coach" in a league match. The two-level player had three shots near pockets. The "coach" went into several ways that the shots might be played, including what english to use. After all that talk, the poor player missed the first shot. The "coach" -- more accurately, "sadistic tormentor" -- should have just said "Shoot the ball you're most comfortable with and with a nice, soft, straight stroke."

Bob, this past weekend, our APA league held its session playoffs. Found your comment frighteningly close to my situation. Our three had cue ball in hand twice. First time I suggested a single shot. Just make the object ball and TRY to stop the cue ball. He missed. Big. Second time in the same rack I made the same suggestion less the stop the cue ball. Wanted to keep it as simple as possible. Me missed again! In your opinion, which of us was the "sadistic tormentor"?

I'm irritated by players who seem to want to figure out all the possible ways to run a rack to make sure they have absolutely the best way. I think it is enough to figure out one reasonable way and start executing. You'll probably have to revise anyway. It should usually take no more than five seconds to figure out a reasonable way to play the next three balls. If you can't, get to a practice table.

We have a player here in Rochester who studies the rack before his first shot. Once into the rack he studies each following shot individually. For more than five seconds per shot. In the vast majority of cases, he runs out. RARELY he finds himself stuck. Used to irritate the hell out of me for the time he took. Decided perhaps he is correct and I need to slow down. The change in my game is visible to any one who's seen me play in the last few years. Thank him every time I see him for his help. Perhaps not every player can be a Lou Butera or Luc Salvas!

Lyn
 
I think it's intresting how our perceptions of ourselves are often quite different than the way others perceive us. Since most people view themselves as being above average or smarter than the average person, it becomes very easy to have a skewed perspective when we see others performing at a higher level than our perceptions would suggest.

I once saw this hillbilly type walk into a poolhall with long scragley hair, denim overalls, grungy boots and a look on his face that reminded me a little of someone who might have a touch of downs syndrom. It was as if he'd just walked off the farm.

Much to my surprise; however, this guy could pocket balls like a semi-pro pool player. Needless to say, my perseptions were thrown for a loop. It's possible that this guy was a farming genius...at the very least, this guy could easly be considerd a genius relative to my knowledge of farming.

The mistake I made in my perception was to assume that intelligence was based on my assessment of scholarly virtues. Because I held a viewpoint that business, arts and science were notable intellectual attributes and it seemed that this guy lacked those interests.....the leading assumption was that he lacked intelligence.

Despite his appearance, this guy could have had a degree in agricultural science and might even have an aptitude for anylitical thinking. It was far too easy to judge the book by the cover.

What it really boils down to is the fact that we become what we think about most. We become highly proficient in those areas that dominate our thoughts. Whether this guy was a genius or an idiot was irrelivant.

He programmed his mind to acomplish something I had yet to achieve and on some level I questioned how this guy made progress while I was still struggling to achieve that level of performance. I made assumptions that had no bearing on the reality of the situation.

I allowed my ego to dictate my perceptions. I suspect that many of us occasionally fall into that trap.
 
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I believe there is a scene in the film the Color of Money where an overweight Forset Witicker plays Tom Cuize or maybe was it Newman? Anyway, he says something to the effect of perception as he unleashes at the end. The mind focused is an amazing thing.
 
I think it's intresting how our perceptions of ourselves are often quite different than the way others perceive us. Since most people view themselves as being above average or smarter than the average person, it becomes very easy to have a skewed perspective when we see others performing at a higher level than our perceptions would suggest.

I once saw this hillbilly type walk into a poolhall with long scragley hair, denim overalls, grungy boots and a look on his face that reminded me a little of someone who might have a touch of downs syndrom. It was as if he'd just walked off the farm.

Much to my surprise; however, this guy could pocket balls like a semi-pro pool player. Needless to say, my perseptions were thrown for a loop. It's possible that this guy was a farming genius...at the very least, this guy could easly be considerd a genius relative to my knowledge of farming.

The mistake I made in my perception was to assume that intelligence was based on my assessment of scholarly virtues. Because I held a viewpoint that business, arts and science were notable intellectual attributes and it seemed that this guy lacked those interests.....the leading assumption was that he lacked intelligence.

Despite his appearance, this guy could have had a degree in agricultural science and might even have an aptitude for anylitical thinking. It was far too easy to judge the book by the cover.

What it really boils down to is the fact that we become what we think about most. We become highly proficient in those areas that dominate our thoughts. Whether this guy was a genius or an idiot was irrelivant.

He programmed his mind to acomplish something I had yet to achieve and on some level I questioned how this guy made progress while I was still struggling to achieve that level of performance. I made assumptions that had no bearing on the reality of the situation.

I allowed my ego to dictate my perceptions. I suspect that many of us occasionally fall into that trap.

Kind of like the farmer type who wandered into the new car showroom. None of the salespeople were interested in helping him but the one new guy. The farmer bought five new F-150 trucks. CASH!!! Never judge a book by its cover! Salesmanship 101. Works both ways though :rolleyes:.

Lyn
 
I believe there is a scene in the film the Color of Money where an overweight Forset Witicker plays Tom Cuize or maybe was it Newman? Anyway, he says something to the effect of perception as he unleashes at the end. The mind focused is an amazing thing.
I am not sure you are on EArth anymore!

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Don't be offended, I'm not saying all good players are dumb or smart people will never shoot good pool. It's just something that came up with some friends... Sometimes it seems like the guys who don't think much and just drill balls in are the ones who make it to the A ranks, while other guys like me are barely B players, we're only 60% to make a shot longer than six feet, and mostly rely on knowledge.
most A players i would bet started at a young age when they already know everything
We all know the guy who is a genius at some physical activity like pool but can't spell "dog" with three hints. At the other ends of the spectrum are the armchair teaching types who know all the physics and obscure quirks and rules but never place in the money at any event people have heard of.
the physical skills it takes to be a pro player(hand eye coordination, spatial relationships etc) is separate from brain prowessCan having a surplus of brains just get in your way?

knowledge can definitely help your game i beleive
if as someone else said if your brain causes you to have paralysis from analysis then yes it gets in the way
unfortunately pool is not a multiple choice test to check off the right answer
you have to shoot,,,:eek:
as i said the physical skills are separate from brain power
just my 7 cents worth
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I am not sure you are on EArth anymore!

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Originally Posted by Maestro
I believe there is a scene in the film the Color of Money

I believe there is a scene in the film "the Color of Money"

where an overweight Forset Witicker plays Tom Cuize or maybe was it Newman?

where an overweight Forrest Whitaker plays either Tom Cruise or Paul Newman

Anyway, he says something to the effect of perception as he unleashes at the end.

Anyway, he says something about 'perception' when he unleashes on [Newman] at the end [of their match].

The mind focused is an amazing thing.

The focused mind is an amazing thing.

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Sheesh, that wasn't that tough. You don't happen to shoot lights out, do you?
Juuuuuust kidding :P
 
Pool is about maintaining focus and not allowing side thoughts to deviate that focus. Often times the thoughts we have are negative which triggers adrenaline to be released. Adrenaline impedes our rational thinking and impairs our playing ability. A person who is very perceptive and constantly thinking will have more emotional triggers than a person who isn't.

Agreed. Total Focus on the table & the job at hand will limit outside influences. If you are shooting well you may fall into the ZONE. If you are shooting not so well, you should start shooting better.

If you have all of the fundamentals including the mental side of the game, then it becomes all about FOCUS!
 
I didn't read every post here so I don't know if these things were mentioned.

A lot of pool is just common sense. It also helps if you leave your inhibitions in your car and not drag them into the place your playing. Experiment, when you don't know certain things and don't be afraid of looking foolish, trying certain things.

Just my thoughts.


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