I saw this shot used to avoid a double hit. From under the cue ball, just a quick flip upwards.
https://youtu.be/EAJAhHqSyao
https://youtu.be/EAJAhHqSyao
I saw this shot used to avoid a double hit. From under the cue ball, just a quick flip upwards.
https://youtu.be/EAJAhHqSyao
Dang it, I am torn here LOL
A legal stroke is forward, which technically is done there, although quickly, and there is no rule about how much forward motion you need for a legal stroke or about snatching the cue back to avoid a double-hit which is what this looks like.
However this is way too close to the illegal shot of just lifting the cue or dropping it.
In conclusion, I hate you.
But I think that a real ref would call this an illegal stroke more often than not.
Dang it, I am torn here LOL
A legal stroke is forward, which technically is done there, although quickly, and there is no rule about how much forward motion you need for a legal stroke.
However this is way too close to the illegal shot of just lifting the cue or dropping it. And I think that since you did not contact the cueball during the forward stroke you did not actually hit the cueball with a forward stoke but with a sideways one as you were lifting the tip up.
In conclusion, I hate you.
But I think that a real ref would call this an illegal stroke. I would also since you did not hit the cueball in a forward motion, you just faked it.
Can you show the rules that would make the shot illegal? I'm not trying to be snotty, I'm just genuinely curious because I tried and failed to find rules on it.It depends on what rules you are playing by.
Most commonly, probably not legal. It's like an intentional miscue,
in the APA legal, everywhere else not
Agreed.
I hate him for that too.
From the WPA Definitions section:I was looking in the WPA rules for something about forward motion and I couldn't find anything.
From the WPA Definitions section:
8.2 Shot
A shot begins when the tip contacts the cue ball due to a forward stroke motion of the cue stick. A shot ends when all balls in play have stopped moving and spinning. A shot is said to be legal if the shooter did not foul during the shot.
From the WPA Definitions section:
8.2 Shot
A shot begins when the tip contacts the cue ball due to a forward stroke motion of the cue stick. A shot ends when all balls in play have stopped moving and spinning. A shot is said to be legal if the shooter did not foul during the shot.
It depends on what rules you are playing by.
Most commonly, probably not legal. It's like an intentional miscue,
in the APA legal, everywhere else not
Can you show the rules that would make the shot illegal? I'm not trying to be snotty, I'm just genuinely curious because I tried and failed to find rules on it.
I don't think miscue rules would apply because it's all cue tip, about where it would hit on a normal draw shot.
I wear your hatred as a badge of honor.
I saw this shot used to avoid a double hit. From under the cue ball, just a quick flip upwards.
https://youtu.be/EAJAhHqSyao
I saw this shot used to avoid a double hit. From under the cue ball, just a quick flip upwards.
https://youtu.be/EAJAhHqSyao
I think the BCAPL rules explains it best. Definitely a foul.
From the BCAPL rules .......
You must use a legal stroke. Any lifting, sideways, or other brushing motion of the cue,
such that the force that propels the cue ball does not primarily result from a forward
motion of the cue as defined under “Legal Stroke”, is a foul (see Diagram 4
).
(The diagram would not copy.... but it shows the cue tip at the base of the ball, implying that lifting straight up ...with no forward motion... is a foul)
I have had this come up in a match a few times ... and without a ref to watch... the shooter will always claim the tip moved forward.... I did have a guy shoot this with a ref watching and he did use a small forward stroke.. so was legal... but most times is not
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The 1 ball looks like it's weighted on the bottom.
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