It wouldn't ever have been SVB in this situation. So it's an irrelevant question. But I'll play along and tell you that Jay would have acted in the same fashion.
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Fran, I like and respect both you and Jay so I want to be fair and take everyone's point of view into consideration.
By the way, it sucks when someone else's actions comes between friends.
If you were Barry and ( somehow) Allen's name had been left off the players list, how would you personally have handled it?
I'm a little torn myself
By the way, it sucks when someone else's actions comes between friends.
If you were Barry and ( somehow) Allen's name had been left off the players list, how would you personally have handled it?
I'm a little torn myself
i may have missed something, but:
if Allen were onsite days before the draw
and Barry were onsite days before the draw
why didn't either, notice that Allen wasn't on the board?
were neither present at the Players' Meeting?
were neither present at the draw?
is that because it's not mandatory for "players" to be present @ their meeting?
was the board not posted until after the draw?
PL <---- waiting for Barry to once again, lay the blame on Roberta
if Allen were onsite days before the draw
and Barry were onsite days before the draw
why didn't either, notice that Allen wasn't on the board?
were neither present at the Players' Meeting?
were neither present at the draw?
is that because it's not mandatory for "players" to be present @ their meeting?
was the board not posted until after the draw?
PL <---- waiting for Barry to once again, lay the blame on Roberta
Great questions. But what's your opinion on changing the bracket once the draw was completed? It's not like Allen's name was thrown in the hat before the draw.
poolplaya1976
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I believe someone close to you is very good friends with Jay Helfert. I do understand loyalty to friendship, and I admire that. :smile:
To criticize someone for putting on an event like the Super Billiards Expo, a very successful event, I might add, by lacing it with mean-spirited words is not necessary. Of course, they are supposed to make a profit. Otherwise, why do it? Should pool industry members work for free? I guess I do not understand all the negativity towards Allen. Does there have to be sides in this?
Every large tournament I have ever been to has been problematic. Nothing runs smoothly, and there's always something that slips through the cracks. As I know you know, you cannot please everybody when it comes to a pool event.
This incident is an unfortunate circumstance. If a promoter told Keith his name was on the tournament roster, we would have no reason to double-check. We'd pack up our belongins and drive to the event. This is absurd to think that Allen should checked and double-checked before leaving New Jersey to travel to Virginia if he was promised a spot.
Allen has as much integrity in the pool industry as Jay Helfert does. There's no reason to pick sides and barbecue somebody because you don't like the fact that they make a profit in poool. Heck, if I could figure out a way to make a living in pool, I sure as heck wouldn't be up at 3 a.m. to begin my boring workday.
Take care. I hope you interpret my post in the spirit that it is meant. Enjoy the finals today. Should be a good one.
and you JAM have someone very close to allen..keith and allen are buddies...you posted pictures of keith and allen at some tournament....not picking a fight with you but you just seem very hypocritical right now
First of all if I didn't see Shane's name on the player list I would have inquired why. I didn't necessarily expect to see Allen's name on it. This couldn't have happened with a premier player like Shane but if somehow it did, my stance remains the same. Let's just say for supposition that Shane wasn't able to play but showed up anyway at the last minute, AFTER THE DRAW. I would have told him that he had to wait until next year as the draw had already been completed. I hope that answers your question.
My questions were all anwered with your very first post. Thank God their are honorable men left in this world.
NYC cue dude
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If this was adjudicated in a court of law, Barry would've gotten life in prison based on the 3 strikes and your out laws. Allen would've gotten a 10 year sentence and had his "promoters" license yanked. Fran would've gotten held in contempt of court for jury tampering and giving fraudulent testimony. Poor Jennie, I'm not sure she would've been disbarred, but clearly her criminal defense law practice would be on life support.
The only one who walks out of that court room unscathed, with his head held high is Jay.
An honorable mention to Mike H for unlocking this thread.
Wilson of course would be on 3 years probation for an attempt at obstruction of justice.
Court is in recess!!!!!!!
The only one who walks out of that court room unscathed, with his head held high is Jay.
An honorable mention to Mike H for unlocking this thread.
Wilson of course would be on 3 years probation for an attempt at obstruction of justice.
Court is in recess!!!!!!!
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you buckin' for Post of the Year? :thumbup:
i think it's bullshit.
i think this thread is a prime example of WHY, there should be a DEADLINE on registrations & cancellations; SOP.
i think that Allen should have bowed out, and any player who sides with his views was obviously not raised in a man's world of pool, as i was, in Detroit.
i think that Jay realized that he was usurped in his "powers".
i know there were other issues where Barry didn't cover all bases for players, nor respond; minute in comparison.
i think your earlier post today was poignant; well said!
i side with Jay.
does this answer your question from a "woman's" point of view?
Dang PINKLADY, you're from Detroit? Your internet hotness has gone up
I get you, earlier you were just pissed about the lack of process.
We are on the same page..
I get you, earlier you were just pissed about the lack of process.
We are on the same page..
i think it's bullshit.
i think this thread is a prime example of WHY, there should be a DEADLINE on registrations & cancellations; SOP.
i think that Allen should have bowed out, and any player who sides with his views was obviously not raised in a man's world of pool, as i was, in Detroit.
i think that Jay realized that he was usurped in his "powers".
i know there were other issues where Barry didn't cover all bases for players, nor respond; minute in comparison.
i think your earlier post today was poignant; well said!
i side with Jay.
does this answer your question from a "woman's" point of view?
xi think it's bullshit.
i think this thread is a prime example of WHY, there should be a DEADLINE on registrations & cancellations; SOP.
i think that Allen should have bowed out, and any player who sides with his views was obviously not raised in a man's world of pool, as i was, in Detroit.
i think that Jay realized that he was usurped in his "powers".
i know there were other issues where Barry didn't cover all bases for players, nor respond; minute in comparison.
i think your earlier post today was poignant; well said!
i side with Jay.
does this answer your question from a "woman's" point of view?
This PINKLADY is as sharp as a tack. Read the above for proof.
You Go Girl !!!
Don't worry about her, she's one of US, and can take all the heat they can dish out.
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here's what stood out immediately when Jay posted, as well corroborated by my past conversations with Barry, (while swearing his sobriety):
it's all i needed to know, regarding this issue. but the additional facts, helped. i'm still waiting on answers to my previous questions - albeit i already know.
This is one of the *best* posts I have read on this forum from you. It is well written and covers a lot of territory.
I was with you all the way until you got to the end about Allen. If it had been Keith who was promised a spot in the tournament and we planned to attend this event by me taking off work, saving a couple grand to pay for expenses, making hotel arrangements, packing our clothes for a week, arriving 2 days early to practice and get settled in so Keith would be able to perform well, we both would have extremely upset.
A mistake was made, an oversight, and because of this, everybody has a different takeaway on how it should have been handled. Allen's good name has been slighted, and he did nothing wrong. In the end, whether any of us like it or not, the promoter has the final say. He's adding the the extra monies, and it is his call when things come to a head, as it has here. Of course Jay is free to do what he believes is the right thing, and he did.
And sometimes players never check the chart until they make time to go over to where the chart is displayed. They may be at Q-Masters practicing or enjoying the local sights or visiting with friends or entertaining in their hotel rooms. Not all players scramble to the tournament chart as soon as it is done. They just don't. I'm sure Allen didn't give a hoot *who* he played. He just wanted to compete. He had been gearing up for this tournament back home by practicing his game, llong before day one. Efren Reyes is 61 years old, and he's still capable of scoring a big W, and so is a champion like Allen. Further, it's not always about the win. It's about getting out of the stable and running the race. This is what Allen wanted to do.
Everyone, as Hungarian states so eloquently, is entitled to their opinion, but to throw insults at other members like Fran is why this forum has become unpopular with many industry members, pro players, instructional authors, pool's fourth estate, and Hall of Famers. You can disgaree, like Hungarian has done in his/her closing paragraph, without attacking others.
Very good point, and this is true, but I did not insult Jay the way Allen was insulted in that one post. Go re-read it and let me know what you think, whether Allen was insulted or not about things that had *nothing* to do with the subject matter of this thread.
Johnnyt, I like you and respect your passion for pool as many years as you have been playing.
With that said, you have been creating posts on this forum months ago about the Open, what's wrong with it, are they going to get enough players, where's the money, problems with the venue. You had the Open condemned before it even began. I realize you don't care for the Open or Barry, and that is certainly your prerogative.
So I will "LMAO" back at you. Do you have anything nice to say about anything pertaining to pool, or is it always negativity that spews from yoru fingertips on this pool forum?