Jeannette

rackem said:
Do you have any first hand knowledge that she sat at home because of appearence money. Maybe she just had a prior commitment. Jeanette does not get show-up money just to be at tournaments. The 10,000 fee rumor is for other private advertising appearences.
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Yes. But note that this was not a sanctioned WPBA event. It was an event organized and paid for by Tariq. Thus, her appearance would have, in her eyes, warranted an appearance fee. Do I have first hand knowledge of this? No. I was not on the phone with T and when he spoke to her. Did I hear this from a reputable source who is close to T? Yes.

Basically, there is an image that I have seen of a woman on tv. On the rare occassion that I did meet her, she did not strike me as particularly friendly. Ok. Maybe I caught her on a bad day. However, I was also informed by several of her fellow tour members that she was not always the nicest women around. This made it alittle more believable. Then, I hear that she won't show up for the tournament because of the appearance fee. And I heard this from a good friend who was with T all day that day. Do I trust my good friend? Yes. Do I have any reason not to? No. Do I trust Jeanette? No. Do I know her personally at all? No. So why should I trust her??? Has she earned my trust?

People present themselves in a certain light and in doing so, others form opinions. That is what has happened here. I have compiled several unpleasant experiences and combined that with the zero pleasant experiences i have had with this woman and I have formed an opinion. Much the same way many of you are reading my posts right now and, having never met me, are forming opinions of me that may differ than if we were to have this conversation face to face. You look at the subject and condemn me for disagreeing with you. Why? Have I condemned any of you for having opinions that differ from me? No. Differences in opinion are unavoidable. But they are not what define us as individuals. However, it seems that in this case, it has characterized me in all yof your eyes and that is a shame. Apparantly one cannot have an unpopular opinion here and so, seeing as how I do, I will apologize to all.
 
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wahcheck said:
This reminds me of the big stink the media played up about Joe Montana not showing up at a recent Super Bowl...they alleged that he wouldn't show up unless he got a $100K fee.....I agree with what you say....How does Pharoah know that Jeannette decided not to show because they wouldn't give her $10K?
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..and I believe the reason Joe didn't show up was that he had promised his child he would attend some type of function with him. But you never hear the follow-up, just the "fact" that he wouldn't show up without the money.
 
pharaoh68 said:
I think its all crap anyway. I think Jeanette needs to pull her head out of the clouds and realize that she is NOT as good as she thinks she is. There is a strong difference between being the best and being the most marketable.
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Well maybe you know something about her that we don't, but I've never heard of her having some kind of inflated ego the way you described in your post. I have never met her myself, but everyone I've talked to that has met her had nothing but good reviews. When you consider what she has done for the game you can't help but respect the girl. She may never shoot on the same level as Karen or Allison but that doesn't mean she's not a great player.


P.S.
I thought her cornrows were horrible!
 
I met Ms. Jeanette Lee this past January at a friends house. She couldn't have been more gracious as she shot my lights out in a few games of 8 ball. It's not often that a pool game turns into mostly a spectator sport for me.

During the visit she talked about how she became facinated with pool and what she had to do to get into the top ranks of womens pool. She also spoke quite frankly about her back problems. In addition she told us about her involvement as a Trustee with the Womens Sports Foundation, which she has supported for many years.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Jeanette's daughter and manager. Her duaghter is as cute as they come and travels with Jeanette to her special appearances and lately to tournaments. Jeanettes manager spoke of Jeanettes dedication to the sport and how she is a natural promoter and an excellent client to have. She definately isn't a primadonna at all.

I can say without reservation that Jeanette Lee is a credit to herself and the cue sports. The fact that she is a successful self promoter shouldn't take away from the fact that she is an excellent pool player and a genuinely good person.
 
pawnmon said:
I can say without reservation that Jeanette Lee is a credit to herself and the cue sports. The fact that she is a successful self promoter shouldn't take away from the fact that she is an excellent pool player and a genuinely good person.
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If this was the sentiment that my original post expressed, then I stand corrected and allow me to clarify: Jeanette plays good pool. And as far as her ability to market herself, she is second to none! My point was simply that there is a personality trait or two that I don't happen to like (and I'm not alone on that one) AND that if any player should be highlighted, it should be Allison or Karen who came to this country and took it by storm setting the bar at a height that few can seem to touch. That was all.
 
pharaoh68 said:
If this was the sentiment that my original post expressed, then I stand corrected and allow me to clarify: Jeanette plays good pool. And as far as her ability to market herself, she is second to none! My point was simply that there is a personality trait or two that I don't happen to like (and I'm not alone on that one) AND that if any player should be highlighted, it should be Allison or Karen who came to this country and took it by storm setting the bar at a height that few can seem to touch. That was all.
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P-man,
Stated this way, I'm sure you wouldn't catch much flak (but of course we wouldn't have had the interesting procession of views). I do think it has been an interesting thread with a variety of viewpoints.
 
Pharaoh,
Enough already! Just because your opinion of Jeannette is different than most others, doesn't mean they are attacking you personally when they state their opinion of her. My opinion of her is different than yours also. I went to a tournament stop and have to say that Jeannette was the friendliest player there, especially to the fans. Personally, I like to see players in all sports emotionally involved. That's the way I like to play also. Admittedly, it can get over the top (Earl or TO in football are good examples), but it makes me get more emotionally involved to watch Jeannette or Vivian show their emotions at the table. As far as the tournament that she didn't attend that helped you form your opinion, I know far less than you do about it. However, I can think of several reasons she may not have attended. Maybe her back was bothering her more than usual, maybe she wanted a weekend off with her family, or maybe it just wasn't worth it to her. She is certainly entitled to make up her own mind as to which events she wishes to attend. I would not fault her for that, personally. You chose to, which is your decision and you certainly have a right to that. For all the good she does and for her obvious enjoyment of the game (as well as her ability), I give her a big thumbs up.
 
bsmutz said:
Pharaoh,
Enough already! Just because your opinion of Jeannette is different than most others, doesn't mean they are attacking you personally when they state their opinion of her.
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Read the comments for yourself. Does this sound like a bunch of people respecting my right to have an opinion that differs from theirs???

"So you've confirmed that this is the reason she didn't attend said tournament and it wasn't any type of schedule conflict or prior engagement?

Your username tagline says it all." - Ragbug74
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"Perhaps you are being too hard on the pharoah - though its hard to imagine that his version is anything more than fantasy.

I'm sure we're all waiting excitedly for his next expose's on why Arnold Palmer is so bad for golf, why Cal Ripken is such a bad role model, and why Bill Russell was so overrated." - Williebetmore
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"Funny, the other ladies on the WPBA recognize the exposure and attention she brings to the game and they aren't nearly as jealous as you are of her personal successes." - Ragbug74 (you got me, buddy. I'm jealous)
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"What time does your ESPN special air?
All of us here don't want to miss it." - Sore_Aintya
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"WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM? YOU COULD NOT EVEN CARRY HER CUE!
You have oviously never meet the lady." - Rackem
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Look! Its my opinion. And for the record, I am NOT the only one who feels this way. Others have shared this sentiment with me. But that is neither here nor there. My opinion was formed as a direct result of several different instances which, in my eyes, combined to paint the portrait of a less than friendly person. And I am well within my rights to for such an opinion. Its like I said earlier, most of you have formed opinions on me based on these posts while some of you probably haven't even read 1/3 of the 1,200+ I've put up on these forums in the past. But I'm sure some of you have formed opinions of me already! Hell!!! (One of you even left me negative feedback!)

Differences in opinions are ever present and will always exist. But that doesn't make one person wrong and another right.
 
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pharaoh68 said:
Read the comments for yourself. Does this sound like a bunch of people respecting my right to have an opinion that differs from theirs???
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I think you're right, Pharaoh (about this thread, not necessarily about Jeannette; I don't know her).

Most of the posters in this thread: calm down, all he said was that he doesn't like how Jeannette demanded an appearance fee instead of just going to a friend's tournament. He has a right not to like that.

Pharaoh: understand that no post exists as an island; there's always a context to be taken into consideration. Here's a context you perhaps should have taken into consideration:

Fact: there have been pros and pool celebrities on this board
Fact: there have been total jerks on this board blasting them with no good reason instead of respecting their expertise
Fact: some pros and pool celebrities have been driven away from this board, much to most of the members' chagrin

You should realize that this makes the atmosphere here very sensitive to posts about pros' negative qualities. People are sick of hearing them bashed, and these days if you say anything even a little bit critical, people get jumpy, and are quick to defend the pro and attack you for presenting a negative view. You should choose words very carefully when criticizing a pro.

-Andrew
 
I do know Jeanette personally, and I agree with everything Williebetmore said in his first post. As for the tournament she didn't attend, I notice that every player mentioned except Vivian is from the Eastern seaboard, making their travel far less than Jeanette's would have been (and Vivian may have been visiting someone in the area). Although Allison and Karen have had more success of late, Jeanette has a far better record in pool than Anna K. has in tennis (making that comparison moot), and I believe she is definitely worthy of a special on ESPN. Regarding the comment about what some other players at a tourney had to say about Jeanette, those comments should definitely be taken with a grain of salt!!!

HOWEVER, pharaoh68 did form his opinion based on understandable circumstances, and he has been very gracious in apologizing if he offended anyone. I think that's 'nuff said.
 
pharaoh68 said:
If this was the sentiment that my original post expressed, then I stand corrected and allow me to clarify: Jeanette plays good pool. And as far as her ability to market herself, she is second to none! My point was simply that there is a personality trait or two that I don't happen to like (and I'm not alone on that one) AND that if any player should be highlighted, it should be Allison or Karen who came to this country and took it by storm setting the bar at a height that few can seem to touch. That was all.
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pharaoh...Although you may be correct in your assumption that Allison and Karen deserve to highlighted more, that is up to them, isn't it? I can guarantee that Allison is VERY satisfied, both competitively, and compensation-wise. She makes a VERY good living, both from sponsor fees from APA, Cuetec, and Kasson tables, as well as her compeitive earnings, which are among the top for women and men. Karen may be different, as she has yet to strike a deal with a substancial sponsor, even though she is a top competitor. Nobody is arguing that Allison & Karen generally play better than Jeanette...not even Jeanette. However, in JL's defense, neither of those two have significant health problems, that no doubt interfere with the ability to always play your best. Like it or not...sex sells...and when Karen and/or Allison decide to "sex up" their image (if they should choose to), I'm sure their 'popularity' and compensation will go up even more! Both of them (along with most of the WPBA women), btw, look much better these days, after sessions with professional makeup artists, and photographers, than they did years ago. JL has just used what God gave her (including brains)...and imo there's nothing wrong with that. Jennifer Barretta is doing the same thing, and may become even bigger than JL, if her movie career takes off...not to mention the fact that she plays very well too!:D

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
I too know Jeanette. I have seen her jubilant, crying from pain, in love with her daughter, with sponsors, with fellow players, with fans, helping friends out, and even cranky or pushing her own agenda. But never have I seen her be mean-spirited or other than what she is: a champion that is now playing pool with a daughter, husband and demanding lifestyle and giving it her all.

On the tour, Jeanette is the ONLY player besides Belinda that goes out of her way to introduce herself and welcome newbies to the WPBA! And I think that speaks volumes about the kind of person Jeanette is. Allison, Karen, Monica, and Helena...they are nice to their fans but do not go out of their way to welcome anyone to their ranks. In fact, in some cases, just the opposite!

Jeanette has worked hard to promote herself and get where she is and command the fees she does for appearances. She also shares her successes with her friends. I was included in her Virtual Pool 3 commercial and got to be shunted to the front of the line in the buffet, simply because I was with the star. :cool:

When I didn't have a place to stay at one of the tournaments (long story) she graciously offered me to share her bed.

Jeanette realizes what most all the other players do not..that her pool playing years may be short-lived, but that anything she sets up for herself today will last longer and may take care of her after she retires. She is doing all this self-promotion as a hedge for retirement. I don't see anyone else doing that, except possibly Allison.

So, Pharaoh, you have every right to your opinion and to express it. But just bear in mind that you need to compare apples to apples. At one time she held the #1 spot, and has remained in the top echelon ever since. I doubt everyone can be nice every moment of the day. Even I can't, LOL. :eek: But Jeanette is the closest thing you can get to a perfect ambassador for pool as you can get...talent, looks, hard work, verbal, personality plus, caring, and sweet. They just don't come any better than that.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Read the comments for yourself. Does this sound like a bunch of people respecting my right to have an opinion that differs from theirs???.
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Pharoah,
It sounds to me like they are ALL "respecting" your right to have an opinion, they just don't respect the opinion itself - nothing wrong with that. Disagreeing is not the same as "dis-respecting." Since most of us are here to discuss and share our views, all of the discourse so far seems fairly appropriate to me.

I think you are dealing fairly well, though, with the adversity. Taking the high road is never easy, and having people disagree with your opinions is never easy either; but it IS a great part of the forum experience that we can agree to disagree. It seems that posters who are able to do this always garner more respect from the way they handle these things than from the opinions they actually express.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Read the comments for yourself. Does this sound like a bunch of people respecting my right to have an opinion that differs from theirs???

"So you've confirmed that this is the reason she didn't attend said tournament and it wasn't any type of schedule conflict or prior engagement?

Your username tagline says it all." - Ragbug74
-------------

"Perhaps you are being too hard on the pharoah - though its hard to imagine that his version is anything more than fantasy.

I'm sure we're all waiting excitedly for his next expose's on why Arnold Palmer is so bad for golf, why Cal Ripken is such a bad role model, and why Bill Russell was so overrated." - Williebetmore
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"Funny, the other ladies on the WPBA recognize the exposure and attention she brings to the game and they aren't nearly as jealous as you are of her personal successes." - Ragbug74 (you got me, buddy. I'm jealous)
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"What time does your ESPN special air?
All of us here don't want to miss it." - Sore_Aintya
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"WHERE ARE YOU COMING FROM? YOU COULD NOT EVEN CARRY HER CUE!
You have oviously never meet the lady." - Rackem
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Look! Its my opinion. And for the record, I am NOT the only one who feels this way. Others have shared this sentiment with me. But that is neither here nor there. My opinion was formed as a direct result of several different instances which, in my eyes, combined to paint the portrait of a less than friendly person. And I am well within my rights to for such an opinion. Its like I said earlier, most of you have formed opinions on me based on these posts while some of you probably haven't even read 1/3 of the 1,200+ I've put up on these forums in the past. But I'm sure some of you have formed opinions of me already! Hell!!! (One of you even left me negative feedback!)

Differences in opinions are ever present and will always exist. But that doesn't make one person wrong and another right.
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Pharoah, What's the deal? You have already back-pedaled on your original post. Why are you throwing these Quotes of posts that were made before you back pedaled. Looking for pity? It ain't going to happen! I felt compelled to give you my first ever bad post point because your original post was like a fart you did not check first. I think it would be best to leave this thread behind us. JEANETTE IS A WONDERFUL LADY!
 

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Thanks to everybody

Wow.....when I started this thread, I had no idea of the number and degree of passionate responses I got.......A real bonus for me is what so many have posted about Jeannette that I didn't know before....I'm glad to read all that has been said and thanks to all you out there in AZbilliards Cyberland...More power to Jeannette!!
 
wahcheck said:
Wow.....when I started this thread, I had no idea of the number and degree of passionate responses I got.......A real bonus for me is what so many have posted about Jeannette that I didn't know before....I'm glad to read all that has been said and thanks to all you out there in AZbilliards Cyberland...More power to Jeannette!!
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Wah-man,
I have purposely refrained from trying to list all of JL's accomplishment's and attributes - most of it is common knowledge to the fanatics here.

In case you weren't aware though, JL was the very first professional to volunteer to participate in the AZB room activities at the 2006 DCC. She also "volunteered" her husband to participate. Even though she does not lurk here, she does appreciate the role AZB plays in bringing together a far-flung group of like-minded pool fanatics.

When her husband couldn't play in the match, it was JL who INSISTED that the show must go on, and insisted on getting Efren to play (even though he had an important match the next AM and she had the IPT qualifier in early AM), and then offered to give her share of the prize money to Efren (who of course refused). Way above the call of duty for a bunch of people she doesn't know.

Here is a link for those who didn't read about it in January:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=24440

Here is a quote from a friend who DOES know her well, "she's got a heart as big as all outdoors."
 
Huh …no 10K appearance fee there, just JL providing a memorable experience to a bunch of pool fans (and a couple of lucky winners).

A lot of class showed by both JL and Efren.
 
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breakup said:
Huh …no 10K appearance fee there, just JL providing a memorable experience to a bunch of pool fans (and a couple of lucky winners).

A lot of class showed by both JL and Efren.
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YEAH! AND, she was willing to pose for a picture with breakup!

I mean.....how much does one woman have to give for gawd's sake?!?!?!? :D

p.s. "wiley-ee-gamble-over-less", do you still have that lock of her hair that, ahem, got caught in your bridge hand on that one shot? If so . . . . . EBAY, BAY-BEE!!!!
 
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