John Davis cues lowballed

WTF are you complaining about? 16%. And you are going to pass on the cue you told you loved ;) ?
And- Howardthedick does not establish pricing for cues, unless he is selling them.

hangemhigh said:
I was not happy because Mr. Davis quoted me his base cue at $1400.00. To see another base cue for less pained me.That is how I could and did complain. If the cue had not been mis-represented in the first place none of this would have occured from my standpoint. I have since been informed by the seller that the cue was not a "new John Davis" as stated in his post,but a hybrid with a John Davis blank without an official name. The finisher of the cue is unknown, the person who did the work on the shafts is unknown,and the cue was offered for sale previously and obivously had a finish in that post that is different than the one it has now. I hope this clears up any confusion you might have had in regards to my angst.
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Hangem,
This Thread Is A Little Out Of Control. I Can See Why You Were Upset About The Pricing, But Now That Greg Has Cleared Up The Differences Between This Cue And One Straight From John, These Pricing Issues Should Be Cleared Up. I Wouldn't Let This Cue Effect Your Purchase Of A Cue From Mr.davis.

P.s. Greg Is A Good Guy, And I'm Sure He Didn't Want Any Hard Feelings About The Sale Of His Cue.
 
My complaints are both valid and justified.

Marcus, I have been walking on eggshells about my Davis cue and I have supported him in every post here,but the straw that broke the Camel's back was the "new cue" at a lesser price that I was asked to pay. That assured the price of my cue was allready devalued,a hard pill for me to swallow. Things would have been different if the listing would have been accurate. Nonetheless, I have decided that I needed to get out while I could still remain even. Your points are well taken and I agree.
 
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hangemhigh said:
My complaints are both valid and justified.
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I CAN SEE YOU STRONGLY ASTAND BEHIND YOUR FEELINGS.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT NO ONE SHOULD OFFER A CUE FOR SALE FOR LESS THAN IT COST WHEN IT WAS NEW? I KNOW I CAN GET CUES ON THE SECONDARY MARKET FAR CHEAPER THAN I CAN ORDER THEM. AND THE CUES, ARE QUALITY WORK, THEY JUST AREN'T HIGHLY COLLECTABLE AT THIS POINT.

I WAS JUST SAYING, THAT GREG SELLING A CUE, SHOULDN'T EFFECT YOU BUYING A CUE FROM MR. DAVIS.
 
You cancelling your order is probably the best thing that could happen to Mr. Davis. Last time I checked anybody can sell a cue for what ever they feel than can get out of it. You are just pissed because you thought you were getting a good deal from Mr. Davis. Then you see a cue go for 200 less and you want to cancel your order. With that school of thought I would never buy a custom cue again. What his cues are selling for now has nothing to do with sale prices a year from now and beyond. This isnt the first posts you have made about cuemakers selling practices. Sounds like to me you want everything your way. Buying cues with the intentions of making a future profit is risky to say the least. It appears you see nothing wrong with your previous posts about this cue. All I know is I am glad I dont have to deal with you on any business transactions.
 
Hangem is just one of those fellas that has to get the last word in!!

Seems to me that Mr. Hangem.. is quite stubborn and does not have much cue knowledge. Of course he is going to be paying more for a cue made to his specs, the seller is justified in selling the cue at whatever price he wishes to ask.

Mr. Davis has been done a favor in having Hangem cancel his order, I am sure he would have been a nightmare to deal with. I would not want a customer like Hangem if I were a cuemaker.

I would be Hangem likes to get the last word in all of the time too!!!:eek:

hangemhigh said:
My complaints are both valid and justified.

Marcus, I have been walking on eggshells about my Davis cue and I have supported him in every post here,but the straw that broke the Camel's back was the "new cue" at a lesser price that I was asked to pay. That assured the price of my cue was allready devalued,a hard pill for me to swallow. Things would have been different if the listing would have been accurate. Nonetheless, I have decided that I needed to get out while I could still remain even. Your points are well taken and I agree.
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a peter lynch maxim: to paraphrase

just because a stock is worth $.05 it doesn't mean it won't go lower....or....a stock can always go to zero.
 
Boy I usually stay out of threads like this. Usually if I have nothing nice to say I wont say it at all. But I just hate when someone who has done nothing wrong get a hard time from ignorant people.

But, Man this one really takes the cake. I have seen and heard a lot of dumb things here on the forums but this one has got to be up there on the list.

Making accusations that someone is trying to trash the market for a cuemaker, telling people that they cant sell for less they buy for, accusing a cuemaker of cheating you. THEN saying that everyone else is wrong but you???

If I were a cuemaker I hope it was a NON-refundable deposit. I would also be embarrased to have someone who would do that own one of my cues.

Victor
 
Dear Victor, Everyone In Regards To This Thread Has Made Really Good Points With Regards To Hangemhighs Comments And I Truly Appreciate All Of Their Support In This Matter. But, You Take The Cake And Hit The Nail Right Smack Dab On The Head. You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth. Thanks So Much To You And Everyone Involved In This Redicuous Mess For Your Support. You All Know That I Would Never Do Anything To Degrade Or Devalue Johns Fine Workmanship. Hangem, Just Can't Seem To Get It. Sincerely, Greg Howard
 
Here's the thing...

To use an analogy... If you order a car for $30,000 from a dealer and then try to sell it shortly after taking delivery, are you going to get back your $30,000? Not likely. Most likely you will sell it for a little less because any potential buyer would say "Why should I buy this for $30,000 when I can get it brand new from the dealer for the same price?" And would the dealer still be selling the same model car for $30,000 to the next customer? Sure they would. Does this devalue the market on the car. Absolutely not. The car is still worth $30,000 new. This is basically the same economics we are dealing with in cues. Very rare is it that any item bought from any manufacturer brand new immediately appreciates in value for resale. Not to mention that once any item is bought and paid for from a manufacturer, the end user can sell it for whatever they want. It is theirs and they can do with it what they will; take a loss, make a profit whatever. The manufacturer's price is their price and you can choose to buy it or not. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other; one sale is a primary manufacturer direct sale, and the other is on the secondary market. They are not related. JMHO.
 
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hangemhigh said:
How infurating it must be for all of the people who ordered a cue in good faith from John Davis to see one of his new cues advertised here for less than he charged them to make one. I was cojoled into getting in on the bottom floor,his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping. I did not buy the cue to make a fast buck like some lousy cue pimp,and I hate the fact that John has fallen prey to such lurking dollar general flippers.:mad:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61061
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maybe he had to pay his morgage.
maybe he had to feed his kids.
maybe he is losing a few bucks on this cue to buy another cue, or something else.
you don't know him, or his buisness.

grow up, and stop harassing him.


chris G

PS- if the cue was such a steal, then why aren't you buying it??
 
hangemhigh said:
My complaints are both valid and justified.

Marcus, I have been walking on eggshells about my Davis cue and I have supported him in every post here,but the straw that broke the Camel's back was the "new cue" at a lesser price that I was asked to pay. That assured the price of my cue was allready devalued,a hard pill for me to swallow. Things would have been different if the listing would have been accurate. Nonetheless, I have decided that I needed to get out while I could still remain even. Your points are well taken and I agree.
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Unless it was EXACTLY the same cue as yours, then you would not expect them to be the same price. Greg's cue was not totally completed by John, as it was Sans Finish. John has sold cues and blanks in various stages of completion upon his return to cue making. Any and all of them are great buys for the future. Yours, totally completed and finished, shafts and all, by John Davis, will be a premium. However, ALL the cues made from John Davis blanks deserve their place in cuemaking history. Greg's offerring IN NO WAY devalues what you have, however, as so many people have stated, John Davis can not control nor can he regulate what his cues sell for on the secondary market. If I buy a cue for $1500, and need money, etc and sell it for $1000 or even less, there is nothing wrong with it. The only issue is when an authorized dealer for a cuemaker sells or advertises that cuemaker's products for less than his agreed upon price structure. In the long run, only the market and customer demand will determine whether or not a cue maintains value.
 
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hangemhigh said:
How infurating it must be for all of the people who ordered a cue in good faith from John Davis to see one of his new cues advertised here for less than he charged them to make one. I was cojoled into getting in on the bottom floor,his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping. I did not buy the cue to make a fast buck like some lousy cue pimp,and I hate the fact that John has fallen prey to such lurking dollar general flippers.:mad:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61061
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If you in fact were not looking to flip the cue yourself, you wouldn't give a damn! You said it yourself- "his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping." So in other words, before you could flip yours for the appreciated profit, someone else ruined it for you? I don't think so....

Sounds an awful lot like sour grapes. You wanted to make a Searing-like profit and now you don't think that is possible. Boo-hoo/my heart bleeds for you... :mad:
 
hangemhigh said:
How infurating it must be for all of the people who ordered a cue in good faith from John Davis to see one of his new cues advertised here for less than he charged them to make one. I was cojoled into getting in on the bottom floor,his cues would surley increase in value and now before I even receive mine the price is dropping. I did not buy the cue to make a fast buck like some lousy cue pimp,and I hate the fact that John has fallen prey to such lurking dollar general flippers.:mad:http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=61061
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If you did not buy the cue to make a fast buck, you should do just fine long term!!
 
Last word

For all who speculated as to my intentions about flipping the cue-Try reading my original post. There you will find that I had no designs on flipping my cue.

The posters who think my concerns were not warrented are most assuredly entitled to your opinion.

I am thick skinned and mindless tripe does nothing to change the fact that the cue only hurts John Davis' cue values when listed as one of his cues,not a cue made with his blank. No harm if it was listed factually and not as a new cue from his shop.

As I clearly stated,my thoughts would have been different if the cue had been described truthfully. Explaining after the fact that the cue was just a blank with a finish applied by someone else and shaft work also done by someone else would have never caused concern.

I have watched other sellers of John Davis cues uphold a commitment to keep his cue prices where they should be for a maker with his provenance.They had the class to offer the cue discretely and protect the value. I may be the only one who will say what I did in this post,but I know others feel the same.

When I was informed that Greg was guiding John Davis in his fledgeling business I decided that it was time to get out from under the cue. It was my opinion that his direction would not lead John Davis cues to a status I had envisioned.
 
hangemhigh said:
For all who speculated as to my intentions about flipping the cue-Try reading my original post. There you will find that I had no designs on flipping my cue.

The posters who think my concerns were not warrented are most assuredly entitled to your opinion.

I am thick skinned and mindless tripe does nothing to change the fact that the cue only hurts John Davis' cue values when listed as one of his cues,not a cue made with his blank. No harm if it was listed factually and not as a new cue from his shop.

As I clearly stated,my thoughts would have been different if the cue had been described truthfully. Explaining after the fact that the cue was just a blank with a finish applied by someone else and shaft work also done by someone else would have never caused concern.

I have watched other sellers of John Davis cues uphold a commitment to keep his cue prices where they should be for a maker with his provenance.They had the class to offer the cue discretely and protect the value. I may be the only one who will say what I did in this post,but I know others feel the same.

When I was informed that Greg was guiding John Davis in his fledgeling business I decided that it was time to get out from under the cue. It was my opinion that his direction would not lead John Davis cues to a status I had envisioned.
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the "NIT" alert just went off in my head after reading this.

wow.


chris G
 
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