John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

[john schmidt]

hi

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.im looking to show him that right now today he cannot beat me at any pool game except maybe 8ball.he wants to go practice for 5-6 months before we play.he might be great at those games in 6 months but right now i have a edge .he knows it and so do i .instead he comes on here and tells me he can beat me at anypool game and the 14.1 is a 50-50 match.remember i never said im better than him at 8ball and then wont play 8ball.i think hes a great poolplayer and cueist and if we play 9ball tommorrow its going to be tough.i will say again that i will play him 9ball 30 ahead for 30 thousand.we have to play within 30 days not 6 months from now.for the record im not backing down he is and anyone that cannot see that has not been reading the whole thread.remember everyone hes saying he can beat me at all pool games.but will only play 8ball.hes not stupid .

 

[bfdlad]

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.im looking to show him that right now today he cannot beat me at any pool game except maybe 8ball.he wants to go practice for 5-6 months before we play.he might be great at those games in 6 months but right now i have a edge .he knows it and so do i .instead he comes on here and tells me he can beat me at anypool game and the 14.1 is a 50-50 match.remember i never said im better than him at 8ball and then wont play 8ball.i think hes a great poolplayer and cueist and if we play 9ball tommorrow its going to be tough.i will say again that i will play him 9ball 30 ahead for 30 thousand.we have to play within 30 days not 6 months from now.for the record im not backing down he is and anyone that cannot see that has not been reading the whole thread.remember everyone hes saying he can beat me at all pool games.but will only play 8ball.hes not stupid .

I don't know John, there has been so many ideas on how this should be done and who has the edge and who hasn't. This guy is either in or out he knows what YOU have said you will do, not anyone else on here, YOU have said. So to me it's time for him to either get a cue and get on a plane or just say "no I don't want to play that game" and move on. Are you coming to AZ next month? I am working on a few things for the week after the Shootout maybe you would like to be involved. Hey maybe Q will come out at that time. Anyway I have just began working on this stuff and don't know where it will lead at this point but let me know if you are interested.

 

[James]

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.im looking to show him that right now today he cannot beat me at any pool game except maybe 8ball.he wants to go practice for 5-6 months before we play.he might be great at those games in 6 months but right now i have a edge .he knows it and so do i .instead he comes on here and tells me he can beat me at anypool game and the 14.1 is a 50-50 match.remember i never said im better than him at 8ball and then wont play 8ball.i think hes a great poolplayer and cueist and if we play 9ball tommorrow its going to be tough.i will say again that i will play him 9ball 30 ahead for 30 thousand.we have to play within 30 days not 6 months from now.for the record im not backing down he is and anyone that cannot see that has not been reading the whole thread.remember everyone hes saying he can beat me at all pool games.but will only play 8ball.hes not stupid .

That's how I read it. Quenten says he thinks he's better at all games (9-ball, 14.1, 1 pocket, etc.) but he'll only play 8-ball. Why? Because he knows he's full of shit. Why don't you call up Tiger woods and tell him he sucks at golf and you're better than him but you'll only play him in tennis.

If this douche is desperate to play an American in US 8-ball in 6 months, someone call Shane. Otherwise someone call this kids mom to get him a new pacifier. And maybe cut those sweet frosted tips off. Unless guys in the UK are still into that.

 

[Reaper114]

So john im assuming this 30 start for 30g would be in a race to a 100 and winner breaks and not alternate?????????????

 

[James]

So john im assuming this 30 start for 30g would be in a race to a 100 and winner breaks and not alternate?????????????

30 ahead means you play until someone is ahead 30 games. It's not a race to a set # of games...

 

[Fatboy]

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.im looking to show him that right now today he cannot beat me at any pool game except maybe 8ball.he wants to go practice for 5-6 months before we play.he might be great at those games in 6 months but right now i have a edge .he knows it and so do i .instead he comes on here and tells me he can beat me at anypool game and the 14.1 is a 50-50 match.remember i never said im better than him at 8ball and then wont play 8ball.i think hes a great poolplayer and cueist and if we play 9ball tommorrow its going to be tough.i will say again that i will play him 9ball 30 ahead for 30 thousand.we have to play within 30 days not 6 months from now.for the record im not backing down he is and anyone that cannot see that has not been reading the whole thread.remember everyone hes saying he can beat me at all pool games.but will only play 8ball.hes not stupid .

John I like you as you know, I dont know this other guy. My offer for a place to play is not to disrespect you or anyone. I just made the offer to serve bothe of you and perhaps make something happen, it wasnt to "Pour gas on the fire" as I said that was a joke and I dont want that to be taken out of context. I wasnt to facillitate the game if you guys like, if notnop big deal. I think it would be an interesting game and in a different venue than a pool room with out all the BS. If it dosent happen thats cool, you have a door at my house in Vegas anytime-you know how to find me. Eric.

 

[smashmouth]

other side of the coin, if Quentin is willing to spend all this time, effort, and money on this type of venture, maybe he should consider going pro, particularly considering the success of Daryl Peach

Come down to the worlds Quentin, and bring Mark Selby with you

that would be sweet

 

[Reaper114]

30 ahead means you play until someone is ahead 30 games. It's not a race to a set # of games...

Cheers I didn't know that not too familiar with all the terminologies! think that would be a shit way to play it, If two players of equal standard played would be their for hours upon hours and personally i think that type of match is f**king shit and a waste of time!! if they were to play 9ball it should be a race to a target

 

[easy-e]

Cheers I didn't know that not too familiar with all the terminologies! think that would be a shit way to play it, If two players of equal standard played would be their for hours upon hours and personally i think that type of match is f**king shit and a waste of time!! if they were to play 9ball it should be a race to a target

You would be right if they were both equal. Since they both think they have the best of it, this is a great way to figure it out.

 

[iba7467]

Summary

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.

This is the original challenge and what he actually said.

i have not hit one snooker ball in i think 3 years and only played pool for a week before 2 ipt comps but i will dust of my cue and put up $100,000 of my own money or more and play anyone in the pool world efren earl shane whoever, a snooker match and an 8 ball match if we win one game each then call it a draw, at least people will get to watch a good match.

maybe first to 50 or 100 games at 8-ball and maybe 10 or 15 games at snooker etc on a real 12 foot riley snooker table and equivilant pool table if any top player wants this ill play for at least this amount or alot more depending on location etc

my name is Quinten Hann any pool player wants some of this just reply.
before i get totally slated here i dont play anymore at all and am not interested in any other challenge match its not worth my time.
so dont bother asking to play me 10ball or 14-1 as i have never played these games. matter of fact i dont play anymore full stop but will come out of retirement for a snooker verse pool challenge, as i do miss playing a little bit.

John then responded and Quinten asked what weight he could get in straight pool

so john
Im not barking but your obviously a great 14-1 player if I come over and played you what start would you give me to say 1000 points, I mean I would really really have to love it to start practicing and fly there so why don?t you try and intice me a little?

Blackjack then challenged him and he accepted... and offered to play John for any money he might win from Blackjack

the thought of picking up a snooker cue again really does not appeal to me plus its not a real exciting bet like everyone pointed out. but when i start playing again and come to america i will take up blackjack on his 250 start to 1000 straight pool and we can play for the same amount again at 8 ball and after blackjack i will use his money to play john as i really think you overate yourself john i know you are a good player but i dont think your as good as you think you are. so i promise i will bring a nice amount of cash and we can play all 3 of us at the same venue, and ill even play some 10 ball and straight pool so we can forget the snooker.

Quinten then stated he can't play John one pocket or banks.

i will play john smidt and some of the other players for sure when i start playing again. like i said i dont have the time or interest to learn games with no money or interest like one pocket, banks, but i will play 8 ball. learn some 10 ball and john and i will play for some money 5-10k most likely between june and the end of the year. it is my own money so this 20k a leg crap john mentioned is silly iv only ever heard of these games banks oone ball etc

Quinten then even offered to lay odds in a snooker/pool challenge

hey john fatboy offered to let you use his snooker table i will put up say 70k to your 50 and we play both snooker and then 8 ball? first to 10 at snooker first to 50 at 8 ball or whatever you want similar to this? if we draw then maybe who ever wins the higher percentage of games all together gets 10k or the whole lot whatever you want?
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and blackjack you wanted to play me for $5,000 giving me 250 start first to 1000 straight pool lets organise this now so i can play you and john together
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if john is making so many good breaks at snooker this should be a good test 4 months for him to improve and he is playing a player that does not play anymore and was never any good in the first place a real second rate player compared to a champion like jonh smidt and your getting 70k to your 50k. and even better is because so many people dont like me and are ignorant to my abilities you should be able to get people to back and you wont even have to play with your own money

John stepped over the line in some comments. Quentin said...

yes i want to beat you on the pool table thats what these bets are designed to do?
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i came here to organise a simple bet as everyone here talks about gambling but you turn it nasty and personal

you dont want a 70k bet to your 50k you play my game ill play yours snooker v pool, yet you say how many big breaks you make at snooker and how you could of made it as a snookerpro

you dont want to play me even 20k at 8 ball your game?

you insult me worse then anyone ever and you dont want to back it up in a 10k fight?

yet you talk about cutting off fingers and tattoos on the forehead what has that got to do with anything?

John then apologized. Quentin offered to play American 8 ball

ill play 8 ball because I know it and I can practise for a week and beat you, i can slot playing you into my holidays and maybe get a little re-interested in cue sports again plus earn some extra spending money. i dont have the time or interest to learn other games if i somehow do in the future you will be the first person i challenge.

so 8 ball 30k ill post my money with action challenge and they can sort out venue etc

John refused. So Quentin offered a multi-set challenge ...

someone else suggested another challenge 2 of johns games 2 of mine why not 3 of johns game 2 of mine maybe 8/9/10 ball on american tables and snooker and english 8 ball.

I respect and admire John, but Quentin has definitely not been the one dodging anything here. Make a reasonable counter offer John, or just say you don't want to play. The guy is offering to fly to the US and foot his own bills to play you for any amount between $5K and $100K... I would think you would want to match this up somehow.

 

[Fatboy]

You would be right if they were both equal. Since they both think they have the best of it, this is a great way to figure it out.

Action only happens when both players thing they have the best of it, so things are looking good...

 

[easy-e]

There was a lot more to it than that. I think you left out a whole other thread. Quentin has definitely said he could beat John at any pool game if he practiced it, I remember because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read it.

 

[Fatboy]

There was a lot more to it than that. I think you left out a whole other thread. Quentin has definitely said he could beat John at any pool game if he practiced it, I remember because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read it.

i didnt read that

 

[easy-e]

Action only happens when both players thing they have the best of it, so things are looking good...

Am I the only one that thinks this match will NEVER happen, and that this whole thread is a big waste of time (besides the entertainment it provides)?

If anyone wants a small sweat bet, I will bet $50 that this match doesn't go off before October 1st, 2008.
*I would bet it NEVER happens but then I can only collect when someone dies.

 

[iba7467]

There was a lot more to it than that. I think you left out a whole other thread. Quentin has definitely said he could beat John at any pool game if he practiced it, I remember because my jaw almost hit the floor when I read it.

I just read the entire other thread. The first few quotes are directly from it. I omitted some things for the sake of length and others due to the neccessity of context from surrounding posts. I searched for that same reason. It is not there. He often said that John should not be considered a top pro and is not as talented, but he never said John couldn't beat him at any pool game. The argument was over what Quinten has said, not John; so I did not quote anything John has posted.

 

[easy-e]

I just read the entire other thread. The first few quotes are directly from it. I searched for that same reason. It is not there. He often said that John should not be considered a top pro and is not as talented, but he never said John couldn't beat him at any pool game. The argument was over what Quinten has said, not John; so I did not quote anything John has posted.

I will look for what I am thinking of, I may have been high that day!

 

[iba7467]

I will look for what I am thinking of, I may have been high that day!

I may have missed something, but I looked. I gave myself a headache searching both threads, so it's possible it slipped by.

 

[UPlayLucky]

Because the whole point is having the most fair match to determine the best cueist between two people who come from very different pool backgrounds and who have been talking smack about who is the best cueist. Have you been reading the thread at all?

This entire thread of many pages has been about how to best match up John Schmidt and Quentin Hann. What does wanting to see John and Thorsten have anything to do with this thread?

And even if the point was to match up John and Quentin in a game that the public most wanted to see, straight pool would be way down the list. You do realize that 8 ball is the most popular game in the US by far don't you? And that straight pool is one of the very least popular games right?

Yes, I have read the thread and Quentin has stated he is the favorite in ANY game, thus why not see if he can prove this true.
I'll agree with you, 8-ball is the most popular game in the US, but if I beat a guy at his worst game what does that prove. If Quentin plays John at 9-Ball or 14.1 and wins, that would be the most meaningful win, IMO.

 

[UPlayLucky]

I may have missed something, but I looked. I gave myself a headache searching both threads, so it's possible it slipped by.

just some more of my thoughts
i think im 80% fav at long race at 8 ball
i think im 60 fav at 9 ball
10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav
maybe staright pool is 50 50 cause he is apparently so good but to be truthful i really dont think he is top class like alot of other pros i have seen and i only ever saw him play a few frames on mosconi cup and to me he looked like a twitcher and under under pressure he will fold most of the time.

I believe this it the quote you are looking for, he indicated he is favorite in just about everything.

 

[worriedbeef]

John says that Quentin's claims of being better are not true, which means that John is claiming to be just as good or better than Quentin. Maybe John should just play him snooker and beat him at that--that would be a convincing argument that John was the better player. How could Quentin argue then? See how that argument just doesn't work?

The point is though is Quentin came on and started it all by insulting John!!!! This is very relevant! He says he is a better cueist, and can beat him at all games. so why won't he play him at anything other than eight ball??

Unless John wants to play because he get's wound up and lured into a game out of anger, he has nothing to prove! Quentin made the unsavoury comments and the dissing, so why doesn't he back up what he says and play the man 9-ball?? Why should John say "okay mate, you've came on here and insulted me and my abilities as a cueist and pool player and you say you can beat me at any game. Let me bend over backwards for you and play you at the one game which i don't play and you are good at. you did trash talk to me so you do deserve me to go out of my way to set up a game which gives you a good chance of beating me"

All I see here is Quentin starting it all and then backing down by refusing to play him at anything other than eight ball. What was his s**t talking all for in the first place then????

EDIT: some more.

i think im 60 fav at 9 ball
10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav

so why doesn't he play him then?? he started all this and he is now ducking and we all expect john to go out of his way to make it happen?? john has nothing to prove, quentin started it and he's now backing down. simple.

If you don't believe me perhaps Daz Appleton, who is following this thread and who is arguably on overall aggregate the best exponent of those two 8 ball games in the world today, will confirm it

As for this - yes i do agree that there are minor differences in pattern play between english 8-ball and american. for example the side pocket is a LOT bigger and more accepting at shallow angles on an english table than an american due to the tittyD), but these are just minor adjustments that it doesn't take long to have under control.

Besides, doesn't the fact that Dazza is one of the best in the world at american eight ball after growing up with english eight ball kind of prove my point? Same with Karl Boyes. If I'm not mistaken Karl had barely hit a ball on an american table before in his life yet look at what a strong finish he made! surely these two players prove my point!