John Schmidt/Shane Van Boening Vs. Quintan Hann????

[Poolplaya9]

you know i cant believe what im reading.people are saying john only wants to play say 8ball,9ball,14.1,onepocket,banks.that would be no fair to quintenn .thats been my point all along that i am better at pool than him. thats why playing me these games would be unfair.people seem to have forgot that he says he will beat me at any pool game.im not looking to make it fair for quintenn.im looking to show him that right now today he cannot beat me at any pool game except maybe 8ball.he wants to go practice for 5-6 months before we play.he might be great at those games in 6 months but right now i have a edge .he knows it and so do i .instead he comes on here and tells me he can beat me at anypool game and the 14.1 is a 50-50 match.remember i never said im better than him at 8ball and then wont play 8ball.i think hes a great poolplayer and cueist and if we play 9ball tommorrow its going to be tough.i will say again that i will play him 9ball 30 ahead for 30 thousand.we have to play within 30 days not 6 months from now.for the record im not backing down he is and anyone that cannot see that has not been reading the whole thread.remember everyone hes saying he can beat me at all pool games.but will only play 8ball.hes not stupid .

Quentin's argument has never been that right now today he could beat you in all these games that he does not even have any experience in, and while he is out of stroke after not playing for years. He was clear about this. His claim has always been that he is a better cueist and has more talent than you. 4-6 months practice time to learn new games and get back in stroke seems very reasonable. He has also offered to play you a bunch of different ways and has been way more than reasonable about what he is willing to give up. If you think you have as much talent and ability as he does then take one of those games. If not, just say I don't think it's a good game for me. But to insist on only playing him a game he doesn't know and only right now while he is out of stroke is weak.

Of course you have an edge right now. What pro wouldn't have an edge over someone that has not played in years and who has no experience with the games you want to play? It is both fair and reasonable for him to be able to take a reasonable amount of time to get in stroke and learn whatever game is to be played, plus he needed a few months because of his work schedule. I mean after all you will have that same time period to practice and sharpen your knowledge in those same games too. The only way he could ever beat you at any of your games after only a few months practice time would be if he were a better player with more talent.

 

[UPlayLucky]

Quentin's argument has never been that right now today he could beat you in all these games that he does not even have any experience in, and while he is out of stroke after not playing for years. He was clear about this. His claim has always been that he is a better cueist and has more talent than you. 4-6 months practice time to learn new games and get back in stroke seems very reasonable. He has also offered to play you a bunch of different ways and has been way more than reasonable about what he is willing to give up. If you think you have as much talent and ability as he does then take one of those games. If not, just say I don't think it's a good game for me. But to insist on only playing him a game he doesn't know and only right now while he is out of stroke is weak.

Of course you have an edge right now. What pro wouldn't have an edge over someone that has not played in years and who has no experience with the games you want to play? It is both fair and reasonable for him to be able to take a reasonable amount of time to get in stroke and learn whatever game is to be played, plus he needed a few months because of his work schedule. I mean after all you will have that same time period to practice and sharpen your knowledge in those same games too. The only way he could ever beat you at any of your games after only a few months practice time would be if he were a better player with more talent.

just some more of my thoughts
i think im 80% fav at long race at 8 ball
i think im 60 fav at 9 ball
10 ball i never played but with a week in philipines which is were ill go before playing john i fancy being at worst 55% fav
maybe staright pool is 50 50 cause he is apparently so good but to be truthful i really dont think he is top class like alot of other pros i have seen and i only ever saw him play a few frames on mosconi cup and to me he looked like a twitcher and under under pressure he will fold most of the time.

4-6 Months? Based on Quentin's comments he would only need 1 week to become a favorite in any game if he isn't already.

 

[JoeyA]

Am I the only one that thinks this match will NEVER happen, and that this whole thread is a big waste of time (besides the entertainment it provides)?

If anyone wants a small sweat bet, I will bet $50 that this match doesn't go off before October 1st, 2008.
*I would bet it NEVER happens but then I can only collect when someone dies.

OK. You got a bet but if you win, you will have to figure out how to get the $50 out of my V-Cash. I have been known to literally just throw money away.
JoeyA (going wild here).

 

[JoeyA]

I think Quinten said he couldn't compete with John because of the break in 9 Ball. Perhaps he would think differently if the game were 10 ball.

i think i can turn up with a weeks practise and use any old pool cue and still win at 9 ball against john let alone if i get a cue i like and go to philipines and practise with some good players. the point i was making with 9 ball is the soft break/luck which i dont like and i think 9 ball is a shit game like snooker i personally dont enjoy it and i wont play it anymore unless it is a complete lock up then i obviously would have play.

8 ball is fair bet for us and the only logical game for me to compete in with an american pool player, john has tons more experience in practise/tournaments and equiptment. this is my total playing career for the last 13 years this is including world titles and small comps around 10 8 ball comps only 2 on american tables mostly with crap cues, around 7 9 ball comps but i only turned up cause i was close by in uk and it was good for a laugh. 2 multi cue sport competitions in australia and about 80 snooker comps thats my whole playing career combined with practising max once a week for nearly 9 years. i spent only 9 months playing every day and i did not improve that much im a complete novice compared to pretty much everyone on this website.

i never really wanted to play again its only because of the insults im prepared to play even with john at his game his equiptment his backyard.

8 ball lets post up now and play for 30k

im not gonna go on anymore i have stepped up in my mind and offered a great bet because i was goaded into it im not a pool player im not even a snooker player any more im nothing im a working stiff who thinks he is better than your us champion right now with no playing experience no cue nothing except more talent more balls just more full stop when you grow a set john let me know ill be happy to snatch them from you along with your cash.

Quinten,
It is apparent that you are better at some things than John. But you really can't make a general statement that you are a better pool player than John. That would mean that you could play all pool games better than John. You may play eight ball better than John and that is still a maybe. But you have to quit saying you are a better pool player than John. It just doesn't make any sense to say that unless you have played him or are willing to play him all of those other pool games.

For the record, I'm sure you are a very fine snooker player and a good pool player, especially at 8 ball. Everyone has talent, some more than others. John, like you, has gone for long periods of time without picking up a pool stick. You can't say that you have more talent at pool unless you play him all of the pool games.

Anyway, as easy-e said, this match won't come off and that's a pity. It would be fun to sweat the two of you in a match or two.

JoeyA

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

George Fels, in his book Advanced Pool, said that when 2 players of equal skill match up in 8-ball, the better straight pool player will always win.

Seems to me that John is locksmithing. I'm a huge Schmidt fan, but maybe he thinks he can't win at 8-ball. To me, 9-ball is an absolute joke to decide this. That would be like using checkers to decide who is the better chess player. John excels at 14.1, 9-ball and 10-ball. There's really no pattern play in two of those games. Hann's specialty is snooker - entirely pattern play, much the same as 14.1, but on much tougher equipment. It's not fair to ask Hann to play 14.1 against John, and not fair (absurdly not fair) to ask John to play snooker against Hann. These would be bloodbaths. 8-ball allows both players to do what they do well. Pattern play. Play a long-ass race to something huge for $50k. The better pattern player and strategist WILL win. There's no real "off day" when it comes to 8-ball. John can play patterns, Quinten can play patterns. Hann's willing to play on John's equipment, in John's home country. This is really simple. John, you either say "no thanks" and decline the bet, or accept. I won't think any less of you as a pool player. However, your comments about Quinton being a rapist and cutting off fingers has knocked you down a few pegs in my "sportsman of the year" contest. I thought you were above this.

 

[Poolplaya9]

4-6 Months? Based on Quentin's comments he would only need 1 week to become a favorite in any game if he isn't already.

This is what Quentin said and I quote "we can organise exact date in around 4 months time as im flat out with work at the moment." He can't get away from work to do anything for roughly 4 months. Then he later goes on to say that if the game were 10 ball that once he can get away from work he could then go to the Phillipines and do a week of preperation which he claims would make him the very slight favorite. That would make it 4-6 months from now before he could play John. It was all in this thread. Understand now?

I like John and have a huge respect for his game, but anybody that can read can see that one of these players is giving up the world to make a game happen, and the other is just making every excuse in the world to keep it from happening.

 

[UPlayLucky]

This is what Quentin said and I quote "we can organise exact date in around 4 months time as im flat out with work at the moment." He can't get away from work to do anything for roughly 4 months. Then he later goes on to say that if the game were 10 ball that once he can get away from work he could then go to the Phillipines and do a week of preperation which he claims would make him the very slight favorite. That would make it 4-6 months from now before he could play John. It was all in this thread. Understand now?

I like John and have a huge respect for his game, but anybody that can read can see that one of these players is giving up the world to make a game happen, and the other is just making every excuse in the world to keep it from happening.

I disagree, Quentin may not be able to play due to work obligations but when he stats he is the favorite in 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball and straight pool he is talking as of today and not after 4-6 months of tuning up. John has done a lot in his career and deserves some respect. Quentin?s comments irritate me as you can see, so I don?t see why you are trying to roll out the red carpet for this guy. I see your point, after 4-6 months Quentin may make the game competitive which may be true. He seems to have a lot of talent to go along with a very big mouth.

 

[john schmidt]

hi

George Fels, in his book Advanced Pool, said that when 2 players of equal skill match up in 8-ball, the better straight pool player will always win.

Seems to me that John is locksmithing. I'm a huge Schmidt fan, but maybe he thinks he can't win at 8-ball. To me, 9-ball is an absolute joke to decide this. That would be like using checkers to decide who is the better chess player. John excels at 14.1, 9-ball and 10-ball. There's really no pattern play in two of those games. Hann's specialty is snooker - entirely pattern play, much the same as 14.1, but on much tougher equipment. It's not fair to ask Hann to play 14.1 against John, and not fair (absurdly not fair) to ask John to play snooker against Hann. These would be bloodbaths. 8-ball allows both players to do what they do well. Pattern play. Play a long-ass race to something huge for $50k. The better pattern player and strategist WILL win. There's no real "off day" when it comes to 8-ball. John can play patterns, Quinten can play patterns. Hann's willing to play on John's equipment, in John's home country. This is really simple. John, you either say "no thanks" and decline the bet, or accept. I won't think any less of you as a pool player. However, your comments about Quinton being a rapist and cutting off fingers has knocked you down a few pegs in my "sportsman of the year" contest. I thought you were above this.

i know the cutting fingers off was over the top.i said it because him losing 30,000 would not bother him that much as he has more money than me.but losing a finger would be something to think about.remember i would lose my finger too if i lose.i was just letting him know that i like my end of it enough to bet a finger.i would just play 8ball but try to remember he says he can beat me with a weeks practice playing all the pool games.their is more to pool than 8ball.furthermore if he thinks beating me playing 30 ahead 9ball is going to be as easy as playing checkers than i dont know what to say.trust me 8ball on a 9ft table is a joke compared to 9ball.its much easier and requires little knowledge.almost any player can play 8ball on a 9ft almost perfectly including him.the skills and knowledge it will take him to beat me at 9or 10 ball he does not have yet.with months of learning he would but right now ive got 30000 that says he will check up short.

 

[Reaper114]

ok if 8balls such a joke on a 9ft table then most people with common sense and your ability would enter more 8ball tourneys and walk away with more prize money!!

 

[Fast Lenny]

ok if 8balls such a joke on a 9ft table then most people with common sense and your ability would enter more 8ball tourneys and walk away with more prize money!!

There isnt alot of pro 8 ball tourneys here in the States if you didnt know,its mainly all 9 ball.

 

[!Smorgass Bored]

ok if 8balls such a joke on a 9ft table then most people with common sense and your ability would enter more 8ball tourneys and walk away with more prize money!!

Please do not hijack this thread with LOGIC.... imo
Doug

 

[Reaper114]

Forget all the BS John you could probably get backed the 30k or at least most of it so the money isnt really a factor in this match up!

Its whether you actually have the balls to put up 30k against quentin in four months time when he actually has the time available to play??
Ok he's offered you out saying he is better and has basically undermined your game, grow a set and stop acting like a lil girly!!

I actually do think because of what quentin said he should play you at your strongest game! Quentin hasnt played in years and hes offered to travel to your home ground, offered you various bets to make a true game of it when he's available!! and the great player that you are has basically shut down every single offer hes made and only offered 30 ahead at 9ball in less than a month. f**k me cant you read the guy cant play for four months due to being flat out with work commitments and you still come back and say because he only needs a weeks practice, ill play him in less than a month 30 ahead for 30k knowing too well that aint gonna happen!! your like a kid in a play ground saving they'll fight another kid when hes home sick!

Pussys offer 30 ahead bets because its the safest way to lay money on the line theres no pressure you can have a bad start run a few and its back to evens. you ask me its f**King lame, id rather watch a snail race, scratch that id rather watch paint dry!! Play a straight out race and put some actual pressure on your game! your supposidly a champion and champions test themselves!!!

I truely hope quentin takes your lame offer goes out there, practices for a week and walks all over your sorry ass!!

R114

 

[Reaper114]

There isnt alot of pro 8 ball tourneys here in the States if you didnt know,its mainly all 9 ball.

No i didnt know that! that could be the reason why he plays more 9ball then but the statement john was pretty making was that 9ball is tougher than 8ball which is a load of shit in most aspects!!

 

[James]

... which is a load of shit in most aspects!!

just like your posts in this thread!

*OH SNAP*

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

i know the cutting fingers off was over the top.i said it because him losing 30,000 would not bother him that much as he has more money than me.but losing a finger would be something to think about.remember i would lose my finger too if i lose.i was just letting him know that i like my end of it enough to bet a finger.i would just play 8ball but try to remember he says he can beat me with a weeks practice playing all the pool games.their is more to pool than 8ball.furthermore if he thinks beating me playing 30 ahead 9ball is going to be as easy as playing checkers than i dont know what to say.trust me 8ball on a 9ft table is a joke compared to 9ball.its much easier and requires little knowledge.almost any player can play 8ball on a 9ft almost perfectly including him.the skills and knowledge it will take him to beat me at 9or 10 ball he does not have yet.with months of learning he would but right now ive got 30000 that says he will check up short.

Seems to me that there are more repeat champs in 8-ball than 9-ball. How many 8-ball titles does Efren have? Thorsten won the IPT, and he is an exceptional straight pool player, just like you, John. I'm just saying there are a lot of little nuances to games like one-pocket, 10-ball and 9-ball, and these are little moves you learn that give you advantages. 8-ball, on the other hand is about choosing the right group and playing great patterns. I think you're both equally matched at that. I think it would be great to watch, without all the drama.

Great response, John. It's why you're one of my favourite pro's.

 

[Reaper114]

yes JAMES an american with a sense of humor LOVES IT

 

[James]

yes JAMES an american with a sense of humor LOVES IT

cheerie-o lovey!

 

[Reaper114]

To be honest james i call it how i see it and expect flack for that, but everyones entitled to an opinion

 

[James]

To be honest james i call it how i see it and expect flack for that, but everyones entitled to an opinion

Well if that's how you really see it then you're either quite biased or we're reading different threads here...

Not that it matters anyway. John has nothing to prove here and Q-ball has everything to prove. He's not going to propose a game that John wants to play so it isn't going to happen. People will continue to ***** for a while then it will go away.

 

[derekdisco]

Forget all the BS John you could probably get backed the 30k or at least most of it so the money isnt really a factor in this match up!

Its whether you actually have the balls to put up 30k against quentin in four months time when he actually has the time available to play??
Ok he's offered you out saying he is better and has basically undermined your game, grow a set and stop acting like a lil girly!!

I actually do think because of what quentin said he should play you at your strongest game! Quentin hasnt played in years and hes offered to travel to your home ground, offered you various bets to make a true game of it when he's available!! and the great player that you are has basically shut down every single offer hes made and only offered 30 ahead at 9ball in less than a month. f**k me cant you read the guy cant play for four months due to being flat out with work commitments and you still come back and say because he only needs a weeks practice, ill play him in less than a month 30 ahead for 30k knowing too well that aint gonna happen!! your like a kid in a play ground saving they'll fight another kid when hes home sick!

Pussys offer 30 ahead bets because its the safest way to lay money on the line theres no pressure you can have a bad start run a few and its back to evens. you ask me its f**King lame, id rather watch a snail race, scratch that id rather watch paint dry!! Play a straight out race and put some actual pressure on your game! your supposidly a champion and champions test themselves!!!

I truely hope quentin takes your lame offer goes out there, practices for a week and walks all over your sorry ass!!

R114

Are you on tilt or something? whens the last time you saw a gambling session for 20k or more? did they play a race to 5 8 ball??? or a long ahead set? 30k 30 ahead is reasonable. 30k is more than what most people make in a year, so even if it were to take a week to settle, itd still be worth it. I mean if Daryl Peach can win the world 9 ball title and be the 8 under Daz Appleton, for sure Mr. Hann can pick up this easy game of 9 ball and snap off john.