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Wing

The Wingman
Hey guys,
So for the longest time ive scooped the cue ball over another ball and considered that a "jump shot". Obviously ive been doing it wrong. Here's my question. Every time i try to execute a correct jump shot, i always end up hitting the ball im trying to jump. I just cant get the cue ball to leave the table. I end up putting back spin on it at the very least. Here's what im trying:
Hike up at a 45 degree angle over the cue ball.
Aim to shoot through the ball with follow through
Hit firm with a loose grip.
And the result? Not a jump, thats for sure.
Ive tried using both my shooting cue which has a Kamui black Medium, and my break cue which has a phenolic tip and the result is the same.

Advice, constructive criticism, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

-Wing
 
Jumping with a full length cue is a bear...you might want to get a jump cue, or at least borrow one to get started. Once you do it once, it gets easier. Think speed of the stroke. You need a very quick stroke to get the ball to hop, the higher the angle and faster the stroke, the higher the hop. That's why the short, very light nature of a jump cue. Try starting at about 40 degrees, aiming just above the equator of the cue ball...that jump is for clearing a ball about 12-18 inches away. It's a little easier than the high jump over a close ball. Some folks actually find a dart stroke (overhand) easier to pull off than a conventional stroke...not me, but some do. Usually when you just get severe draw and no hop, speed of the stroke is the culprit.
 
1. The CB will jump at a lower angle than your cue is elevated. So if the CB needs to jump at a 45-degree angle to clear the obstacle (you did look, right?), you'll need to elevate your cue to more than 45 degrees.

2. To be sure the CB can get out cleanly from under the stick, hit it "below center" (i.e., aim the tip below the CB's center of mass).

3. Start small. Place two object balls slightly less than a ball's width apart and jump over their edges (only have to jump a fraction of an inch). Move them progressively closer together.

pj
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Wing said:
Hey guys,
So for the longest time ive scooped the cue ball over another ball and considered that a "jump shot". Obviously ive been doing it wrong. Here's my question. Every time i try to execute a correct jump shot, i always end up hitting the ball im trying to jump. I just cant get the cue ball to leave the table. I end up putting back spin on it at the very least. Here's what im trying:
Hike up at a 45 degree angle over the cue ball.
Aim to shoot through the ball with follow through
Hit firm with a loose grip.
And the result? Not a jump, thats for sure.
Ive tried using both my shooting cue which has a Kamui black Medium, and my break cue which has a phenolic tip and the result is the same.

Advice, constructive criticism, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

-Wing
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I am not getting a clear mental picture where you are hitting the cue ball. I would try hitting the ball down into it center, if you hit it too high it will rebound into your tip, if you hit it too low it will not give you the desired reaction. Shooting down into the balls center will force it into the skate and then into the air. The better you stroke the shot the higher it will jump, but also like another member said if you are not using a jump cue it would help, however, jump cues must be 41 inches long or longer to be legal.
 
Wing...You've gotten some good advice here already. A dedicated jump cue is much lighter, and will make jumping much easier. Also, how close are you trying to jump a ball? Anything less than a foot away requires better technique. Even though you may think your grip is loose, you may be trying to "stab" the CB. Try holding your cue in a penholder grip right where the joint is, and using a dart type stroke. Lastly, start by trying to jump just the edge of the OB, instead of trying to jump a full ball. That's the best way to learn.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Wing said:
Hey guys,
So for the longest time ive scooped the cue ball over another ball and considered that a "jump shot". Obviously ive been doing it wrong. Here's my question. Every time i try to execute a correct jump shot, i always end up hitting the ball im trying to jump. I just cant get the cue ball to leave the table. I end up putting back spin on it at the very least. Here's what im trying:
Hike up at a 45 degree angle over the cue ball.
Aim to shoot through the ball with follow through
Hit firm with a loose grip.
And the result? Not a jump, thats for sure.
Ive tried using both my shooting cue which has a Kamui black Medium, and my break cue which has a phenolic tip and the result is the same.

Advice, constructive criticism, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

-Wing
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Believe me, you don't need a "jump stick". I can do AGS (you called it "jump shot"), my friends can do AGS, and many other people I saw, who are far from pro, can perform this type of shot with pretty much any stick. OK, make sure the stick is at least moderately good, but otherwise, most bar sticks should be enough. You don't even need that much angle (45 degrees). Just aim at the position where the white is touching the table surface and stab forward. Make sure you add enough power (at least PL4) or the ball will most likely skid. Accuracy of the shot is more of a problem, but that comes with time and practice.

Read about AGS, power levels and other shots on pages 17 and 18 in the manual I posted in the thread "All-out offensive vs Successive offensive"
 
I learned how to jump by starting jumping a chalk, then I would do two chalks and then I went to a full ball. in all honesty it only took me about an hour to learn but I had a very good teacher. Just keep at it buddy.

Keep in mind I still havent perfected it.
 
You need more angle the closer the blocking ball is to the cueball. Also a jump cue has two advantages a regular playing cue doesn't, being shorter (and thus lighter)it is easier to get it in those high angle positions, and having a very hard tip (like a phenolic tip) makes it easier to jump.

It seems to me that your advice of aiming where the cueball is touching the table surface is creating what 'real pool players' call a scoop shot. Which is ILLEGAL, wherever the big boys play pool.

You should at least learn how to play pool first before writing a guide and giving advice.

Lets see now if you are back for more than a few days.


ThePoolkillers said:
Believe me, you don't need a "jump stick". I can do AGS (you called it "jump shot"), my friends can do AGS, and many other people I saw, who are far from pro, can perform this type of shot with pretty much any stick. OK, make sure the stick is at least moderately good, but otherwise, most bar sticks should be enough. You don't even need that much angle (45 degrees). Just aim at the position where the white is touching the table surface and stab forward. Make sure you add enough power (at least PL4) or the ball will most likely skid. Accuracy of the shot is more of a problem, but that comes with time and practice.

Read about AGS, power levels and other shots on pages 17 and 18 in the manual I posted in the thread "All-out offensive vs Successive offensive"
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Believe me, you don't need a "jump stick". I can do AGS (you called it "jump shot"), my friends can do AGS, and many other people I saw, who are far from pro, can perform this type of shot with pretty much any stick. OK, make sure the stick is at least moderately good, but otherwise, most bar sticks should be enough. You don't even need that much angle (45 degrees). Just aim at the position where the white is touching the table surface and stab forward. Make sure you add enough power (at least PL4) or the ball will most likely skid. Accuracy of the shot is more of a problem, but that comes with time and practice.

Read about AGS, power levels and other shots on pages 17 and 18 in the manual I posted in the thread "All-out offensive vs Successive offensive"
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O God not this joker again. You ever respond to my comment about you being a narcissist where I backed it up with psychological facts?

Whatever you do op do not listen to this guy. He is amazingly dense and thinks he knows more than all the pros and instructors on here even though he doesn't Webern play in a league.
 
Wing said:
Hey guys,
So for the longest time ive scooped the cue ball over another ball and considered that a "jump shot". Obviously ive been doing it wrong. Here's my question. Every time i try to execute a correct jump shot, i always end up hitting the ball im trying to jump. I just cant get the cue ball to leave the table. I end up putting back spin on it at the very least....

Advice, constructive criticism, etc. would be greatly appreciated.
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FYI, lots of good technique advice, including video demonstrations and instructional articles, on this topic can be found here:

I hope that helps. I'm sure it will.

Good luck,
Dave
 
zpele said:
O God not this joker again. You ever respond to my comment about you being a narcissist where I backed it up with psychological facts?

Whatever you do op do not listen to this guy. He is amazingly dense and thinks he knows more than all the pros and instructors on here even though he doesn't Webern play in a league.
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Dude I just gave my opinion and you proclaimed me a lunatic. Is that your way of settling disagreements? Everybody who doesn't share your view is nuts? Good for you :thumbup2:

And who the hell said I know more than the instructors? I have my own way of doing things, like every pro or instructor has. We all have different ideas and opinions, and it's up to the players all around the globe to decide who's right.
 
zpele said:
O God not this joker again. You ever respond to my comment about you being a narcissist where I backed it up with psychological facts?

Whatever you do op do not listen to this guy. He is amazingly dense and thinks he knows more than all the pros and instructors on here even though he doesn't Webern play in a league.
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Yeah Z we been ignoring him.I think he is on his 3rd banned log in name.
 
Your posts just continue to show ignorance. You're correct about players voicing their opinions on what you post. ALL have been negative. Like I said in another post, start your own forum, where at least you might get someone to agree with you. You already stated you're neither a pro (obvious) or an instructor (obvious), so why do keep trying to come off as some kind of expert?

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

ThePoolkillers said:
Dude I just gave my opinion and you proclaimed me a lunatic. Is that your way of settling disagreements? Everybody who doesn't share your view is nuts? Good for you :thumbup2:

And who the hell said I know more than the instructors? I have my own way of doing things, like every pro or instructor has. We all have different ideas and opinions, and it's up to the players all around the globe to decide who's right.
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Scott Lee said:
Your posts just continue to show ignorance. You're correct about players voicing their opinions on what you post. ALL have been negative. Like I said in another post, start your own forum, where at least you might get someone to agree with you. You already stated you're neither a pro (obvious) or an instructor (obvious), so why do keep trying to come off as some kind of expert?
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Expert? I just said I'm not an expert and not trying to be one. If you don't like my posts, feel free to ignore them and let the people who are maybe interested in what I have to say to participate in the debate.
 
Good God, PoolKiller, you still don't get it?

The only debate that exists for us is trying to figure out if you are serious (thus absolutely clueless) or just a troll.

As far as your manifesto, I have read it and have given it all the consideration it is due.
 
You do not get it

ThePoolkillers said:
Expert? I just said I'm not an expert and not trying to be one. If you don't like my posts, feel free to ignore them and let the people who are maybe interested in what I have to say to participate in the debate.
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This forum is not a DEBATE, or needed to confuse people. It is a place to help, teach, and learn. Opinions are one thing, but come on.
 
OK I'll help you out. I am serious and I'm not any kind of troll or joker. I have my way of helping people just like every player. God stop making such a big deal out of it :rotflmao:
 
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