Just How Great is Efren Bata Reyes?
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Ummm...Your conversion table is off just a TAD! LMAO 50,000 Yen is the U.S. equivilant of $500, not $20K! 
Somewhat the same for PI dollars to U.S. dollars...only it's about 10-1 I believe.
Scott Lee
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Somewhat the same for PI dollars to U.S. dollars...only it's about 10-1 I believe. Scott Lee
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PROG8R said:
My sources told me that Efren (along with other Pinoy competitors) DID receive all their money from Trudeau...unlike all the American players.
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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RED NAXELA said:
...and Greenleaf made WAY more $$$ than Mosconi could ever dream of (Mosconi's biggest payday EVER was the $60K he was paid to play Fats on tv...and that was only once). At his peak Greenleaf was earning $2000/week! In today's dollars that would be nearly $150,000-$200,000/week! Not bad dough for a poolplayer! You're correct about Greenleaf's era being the "heyday" of pool in America.
Scott Lee
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In today's dollars that would be nearly $150,000-$200,000/week! Not bad dough for a poolplayer! You're correct about Greenleaf's era being the "heyday" of pool in America.Scott Lee
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rossaroni said:
Scott Lee said:...and Greenleaf made WAY more $$$ than Mosconi could ever dream of (Mosconi's biggest payday EVER was the $60K he was paid to play Fats on tv...and that was only once). At his peak Greenleaf was earning $2000/week!
Scott Lee
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scott i'm not picking on you but i dont think the value of a dolllar has gone up 75 to 100 times as you stated above, but your 100% right that he was making one hell of alot more $$$ than anyone is today. the main point is that the current champions are getting robbed by the condition of pool, when i started in 85 i thought it was bad, i couldnt imagine it was going to get worse.....sadly I was wrong. perhaps another depression will help pool, not sure thats a good thing but its a thought.
Fatboy said:
Did some research and here's what I found:
Ralph Greenleaf was the world champion from 1919-1924 and intermittantly from 1926-1937.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (using the CPI as its base for calculations), $2000 in 1919 (the beginning of his reign) was worth $23,780 in 2007 dollars... in 1928, the midpoint of his dominance, the same $2000 was worth $24,058 in 2007 dollars... and at the end of his run in 1937, the same $2000 was worth $28,569 dollars.
Using the average of $26,175 for the period covered, if Ralph truly was making $2000 per week, then he was making $1.36M per year (in 2007 dollars) over that 19 year period... not too shabby!
I doubt that he was making anywhere near that much. Where did the $100,000 per year come from?cigardave said:... if Ralph truly was making $2000 per week, then he was making $1.36M per year (in 2007 dollars) over that 19 year period... not too shabby!
There is a story of Greenleaf earning great sums in Vaudeville, but Cue Ball Kelly said that the "shoot trick shots on a stage with mirrors" gig lasted about a week.
I am happy to see that the anitokid is so proud of his fellow countryman.His sincere admiration of Efein is as refreshing as his politness and humility, which I find easier to admire than to emulate.
As a well known easy mark,I have helped many great players make expenses when I mistakingly thought I had the nuts.
Among those many players I know I have never met one who would play Efrin without a large handicap or a careless stakehorse.
Comparing Mosconi to Efren?But I don't believe any one pocket player could even come close.
As a well known easy mark,I have helped many great players make expenses when I mistakingly thought I had the nuts.
Among those many players I know I have never met one who would play Efrin without a large handicap or a careless stakehorse.
Comparing Mosconi to Efren?But I don't believe any one pocket player could even come close.
It comes from pool talk Bob. The stories grow in the telling. Just do the sums. Before television revenue you only got your cut of the gate money. How many people attended these exhibitions and what did they pay? Not that much I would expect.Bob Jewett said:
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The Efren I saw in the early mid-90's was as good as anyone in history imo.
I'll give you an example. Pick your favorite player. Got him thunk out? Good. Now..... flash back twenty years. Efren could give him the seven, or 8-6, or thirty to a hundred and bet every last penny he's got. Make sense? Ask every one of them who scared them the most when he got to the states and got "known."PROG8R said:
Was he better than Harold Worst?JoeyInCali said:
Scott Lee said:...and Greenleaf made WAY more $$$ than Mosconi could ever dream of (Mosconi's biggest payday EVER was the $60K he was paid to play Fats on tv...and that was only once). At his peak Greenleaf was earning $2000/week!
Scott Lee
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Scott, I'm not entirely sure of that. Willie started out on his famous tour with Greenleaf at only $150 per week when Willie was only 20 or 21. But that tour lasted only 112 days...brutal as they were.
After that, though, Sylvester Livingston offered and Willie accepted a solo tour for which Willie got 75% of the proceeds!
He was on that tour virtually non-stop for 8 years and willie was quoted as saying that he sometimes did 4 nearby cities/towns in a single day.
I don't know how many stops a year he did but I don't think that 350 would be an excessive number. So, if the GROSS on each stop was only $500 and he got 75% of that, he would have made $375 per stop x 350 stops =$131,250 or around $2500 per week.
And one thing's for SURE...Willie's bar tab was ZERO and Greanleaf's could have funded the National Debt so on a NET basis, it seems to me that Willie would have been WAY ahead.
Just guessing.
Regards,
Jim
Prolly not better.Bob Jewett said:
But, if you are talking one pocket, Efren wins.
Nine-ball? Efren was shooting in the 900's in some tournaments iirc.
I know when he won at The Bike, he shot in the .900's for the tournament.
He did at Reds too iirc in his first appearance here.
But, HW would have been better at straight pool and 3c of course.
rossaroni said:Willie did dominate in his era more then Reyes, but... First off, I believe most of Mosconi's championships used a round robin format. You know that the better player will do better with this format. One bad match will not cost you the tourney. Also, many of the "championships" in 14.1 were ,in reality, challenge matches between two players. I think Efren would have won many more championships in his career if he only had to play one opponent over a long period of time. Lastly, 14.1 has a much less luck factor then 9-ball. Amongst the top players, certain tournaments are won by the person who breaks the best. One pocket also has much less of a luck factor then 9-ball and see how Efren has done playing that game. He has not done too bad playing 8-ball either!
Plus Efren is nicer then Willie!
Yeah but Ghengis Kahn was nicer that Willie! (-:
He had a ROUGH go as a kid though.
Regards,
Jim