Kamui Clear

Not at all Bud. I thought you were referring to my post. I had posted my opinions of the Clear disc in a couple of threads.

When I clicked on the link that you provided, it dropped the page directly to my post, so obviously, I thought you were referring to me as Joe Blow.

Anyway, good luck with the new shafts.
 
I had originally installed one of these Kamui black with the clear backing for Rob Seaz about a year ago and he really like them. Just recently installed a few of them for a friend, Jason Shaw and Zion and they all think it provided them with more spin, better sound and feel. I've tried them and I do like them better than the original Kamui Black as they seem to feel more solid overall. I've tried the Soft, Medium and Hard and to me they play better than the original black. On top of that, it's a cool looking tip.

Duc.
 
Kamui should just be honest and say there are too many fakes out there and this gimmick will slow down the production of knock offs and put the cash were it belongs -in our(kamui's) pockets. I'd be more likely to buy one if this was the case. Telling me I'm so f 'n stupid I don't know how to put a drop of glue on a tip without help isn't going to get me to open my wallet. Great marketing kamui:rolleyes:
 
Sometimes tips absorb glue

I think what they are saying is sometimes tips absorb glue. Not that a cue maker can't glue something. I used to shoot with non layered tips (Le Pro and Talisman specifically) and some would just absorb glue more than others. IMO layered tips seem to do this less, and I would think these new kamuis will absorb even less (or none at all as they claim). I'll wait to hear more reviews before I use one myself though.
 
Kamui should just be honest and say there are too many fakes out there and this gimmick will slow down the production of knock offs
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Do you really think so. People go to greater lengths than that to create knock off products.

Believe me, it won't be hard to take a 3/4" hole saw and make a ton of little discs on the bottom of the knock off Kamui Tips.

Kamui stated that the disc is not attached with adhesive. Well, the knock off artists will use glue and how would anyone know the difference.

I think Kamui already did a good job with the Holograms and putting it out there so people can see the difference in them.

Make a good Hologram and someone will make a better one. An up hill battle for sure and one that wouldn't be won with clear little discs.

Like I mentioned in another thread, just for Grins and Giggles, a cue maker experimented with using CD discs by using a 3/4" hole saw and making little acrylic discs of their own.

That was to test the difference between a tip with a disc and one without.
Purely for fun.

I can put discs on the bottom of all my Ultra Skins if I wanted to.

Like I mentioned in other posts. I prep a tip using thin Cyno. The tip will usually wick up one layer at the bottom of a tip.
I believe that many or most repairmen prep a tip the same or have their own preference where the end result will be the same.

People that have tested the Clear against a Kamui tip without a disc have said that they can't tell a difference.

Ya know, if they had their tips installed by a competent and experienced installer, chances are great that the tip was prepped in some fashion as to ensure that the tip would not pop at a later date. That is the prime reason an installer will take extra steps whatever they be. They don't want the tips to pop any more than the owner of the shaft wants it to.

Now, if they can't tell a difference, then what is the point of using a disc?

Marketing perhaps? Thats all I can say and don't know anything better than any other member here until a Kamui Rep pops in and enlightens us on the reason for using a disc.

As a side note. I have had 3 tips pop on me. One was on one of my own shafts, one a customer and one a break tip which can cause grief anyway. Of the 2 tips that I didn't instal but popped and was able to put the original tip back on carefully for the customer, guess what brand both were. Thats right, both were a Kamui tip.
 
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Is it possible that the way they "treat" the kamui blacks (I assume it's soaked in some solution prior to curing) result in a leather surface that is more finicky to glue? I've had 3 Kamuis "click" on me, and 2 Ultraskins end up clicking as well. Maybe the Ultraskins are treated in a similar way, I don't know.

And FWIW, these are installed by 3 different repairmen/cuemakers, on 2 different shafts. Now obviously that's a small sample size and anecdotal to boot, but I've noticed that many cues are clicking in my pool hall, and these guys are telling me it's just how their cues play, or that a harder tip is going to click etc. My opinion is that both glue and tips are more prone to failure than people think, and there is a host of issues short of a tip popping off that can arise from a faulty install.

-roger
 
I believe I heard that the tips are "thermally" bonded to the pads. So I guess that they are fused together that way.

Here's a question though, what's it matter if glue gets sucked up by the tip? Isn't there already glue in between each layer? :rolleyes:
 
thubosky said:
Here's a question though, what's it matter if glue gets sucked up by the tip? Isn't there already glue in between each layer? :rolleyes:
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There's sufficient glue between each layer to form a solid bond, assuming Kamui knows what they're doing.

If, when installing, the glue is wicked up by the tip, it's not bonding to the ferrule. Does that make sense?

-roger
 
I too got one at the SBE. I have only played about 20 racks but so far I am very happy. Obviously, it is too early to give a full review but only time will tell if they work as advertised. As Buddha pointed out, I have also heard of the infamous "clicking".


For a company that donates so much to the sport we love, they get an awful lot of $hit from the public. :rolleyes:
 
buddha162 said:
There's sufficient glue between each layer to form a solid bond, assuming Kamui knows what they're doing.

If, when installing, the glue is wicked up by the tip, it's not bonding to the ferrule. Does that make sense?

-roger
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Yea I under stand, just poking fun at the fact that there's glue all in between the layers, what would a little more hurt? :D
 
If, when installing, the glue is wicked up by the tip, it's not bonding to the ferrule. Does that make sense?
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Oh yeah. 100%. Mooris, Kamuis, and just about every other pig skin and cow hide tip will sop up glue like a piece of corn bread to gravy.

Does prepping make sense?
 
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Oh yeah. 100%. Mooris, Kamuis, and just about every other pig skin and cow hide tip will sop up glue like a piece of corn bread to gravy.

Does prepping make sense?
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I haven't had that much problem with in using Loctite 454.
I've actually had more problems after base coating the bottom with thin CA.
Some cheap capped ferrules I base coat the face ( like Lucasi and Pred ).
But not the tips anymore.
 
I use Loc Tite Rubberized Gel and I treat every tip equally. I don't take a chance that one may or may not wick up any glue.
Have never seen a bottle of 454 in Canada. I use Cue Components thin and have never had a problem with it.
It also glues fingers just fine as well.

Why take a chance when you don't have to, and an application of thin takes approx 2 seconds to apply. I give it a shot with the air hose and find something else to do while I let the tip sit for a couple of minutes. I give the tip a light sand after the glue has dried. Just to ruff it a bit.

But it is a free world and installers can use their own choice on how they put on a tip. I prefer to take a couple of extra steps and minutes to do mine.
After all, that is what I get paid for.

Its like getting into a car. It takes 2 seconds to put on a seat belt.
 
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tank69 said:
The clear pad is "specially" bonded to the leather tip with no adverse affects to the leather. I got one at the SBE and it hits/feels no different from the non-pad tips. What everyone else has said, all the pad does is block glue from being soaked into the bottom layers of the tip.
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If there's no difference in the hit/feel between the clear pad and the non-pad tips, then where is the problem with the non-pad tips to begin with?

And before anyone goes repeating that a problem "can" occur when glue is wicked up through a layer (or layers), I don't buy that. If it was actually a problem, all you would have to do is ask the installer to leave an extra layer(s) on the tip, rather than telling him, "cut it in half before shaping it" (I hear that all the time).

By the way, I "specially" bond all my tips to the ferrule when installing. :wink:

Roger
 
Banikane said:
Kamui should just be honest and say there are too many fakes out there and this gimmick will slow down the production of knock offs and put the cash were it belongs -in our(kamui's) pockets. I'd be more likely to buy one if this was the case. Telling me I'm so f 'n stupid I don't know how to put a drop of glue on a tip without help isn't going to get me to open my wallet. Great marketing kamui:rolleyes:
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Actually I believe the tip is targeted directly to people just like you, who simply don't recognize the variation that can be introduced by the various different gluing techniques used by their 100's of different installers across the country. I was not aware that the tip was going to cost any more than the regular ones. It is simply an improvement of the current product. Where's the harm in that?

KMRUNOUT
 
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