Kamui tip question

jed1894

jed1894

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I just had someone put a Kamui tip on one of my shafts. It came really tall. The installer said he usually leaves them tall. However, it looks real tall to me--twice as tall as any other tip I got on a shaft.

Is this normal or do you guys cut them down to half the size? Will it change how it plays if they're cut down?

thanks, JED
 
I usually trim off about 3-4 layers as I find the tip too tall without doing so.

-Phillip
 
Excellent tips

Tips, like cues are personal preference...
If you havent had one of these tips yet, I reccomend trying it out just like it is"
You may end up liking it , if not , trim a little at a time...
One thing is for sure, taken care of, a Kamui will outlast anything on the market that i have tried so far"
 
Good advice...you can't ever make 'em taller!

Duane remick said:
Tips, like cues are personal preference...
If you havent had one of these tips yet, I reccomend trying it out just like it is"
You may end up liking it , if not , trim a little at a time...
One thing is for sure, taken care of, a Kamui will outlast anything on the market that i have tried so far"
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Kamui- proporsity is the key

What shape do you have put on the tip ? I put a dime(very round- I think it is in your head (shaving it down). I know shane Van boneing and other champions do play with half a tip or less. Because it feels more solid. I have taken kamui tips down, and it is a waste of your money. these tips in all hardness are different than all other tips. I have a 59 inch phillippi with 2 shafts, kamui's (one thick and ONe thin I prefer the thick) choosing your tip's hardness is more important. s ms m mh h. take a one layer tip and thin it down to the ferrule(that gives it less proporsity. I also have 15 mcd shafts with (all ferrules and tips) give it a try-change the shape. I personally bought kamui 2's from japan (1300.a few yrs. ago just to have them on all shafts,and they cut and sell better than any tip out their- look for the kamui 2 black
 
My first Kamui was about 4-layers thick. It played great, but it popped off. I just had a new one put on & it was very tall. We took it down to 6-layers and it plays very good. It still looks pretty tall, so I may take another layer off...just for aesthetic reasons. I don't think it will affect playability.
 
I like them very full because they compress a little and take a perfect shape for me. I like the confidence I get from having a lot of tip at the end of the ferrule, but that is just personal choice. I know a lot of players like just a thin coating of leather on the ferrule!!

I use the Hard tips and they feel the best to me. They last forever and after a little compression, really never change shape at all. Best tip I have ever used, and I am going to try the black as soon as I can get a hold of one.
 
I cut them in half & get two tips out of one. I personally prefer the thinner tip as it plays brand new like a well broken in tip. It'll hit clean & firmer cut short & for me they seem to play more accurately.
 
I think I'll just play with it like it is for a while. It hits fine--just looks weird being that tall; I'm sure I'll get use to it. I haven't played much with it yet, but it holds chalk like no other tip I've ever used. It also shapes very easy.

Thanks for all the replies.

JED
 
It's all personal preference, but either way it will not effect anything.
 
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qbilder said:
I cut them in half & get two tips out of one. I personally prefer the thinner tip as it plays brand new like a well broken in tip. It'll hit clean & firmer cut short & for me they seem to play more accurately.
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I've alway wanted to do this since I feel the same way. What is the best way to cut them in half, just use a utility knife? I usually just trim them down and waste half the tip. I do really like the way they install and play.
 
UPlayLucky said:
I've alway wanted to do this since I feel the same way. What is the best way to cut them in half, just use a utility knife? I usually just trim them down and waste half the tip. I do really like the way they install and play.
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you could probably cut it in half with a new razor knife. but I wouldn't advise it putting any pressure on the side of a laminated tip may cause it to delaminate. JMO
 
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I glue them on & while in the lathe I cut off half with a razor or utility blade. Of course the lathe isn't running. Be sure the blade is sharp. You could easily cut in half without it being installed. I just do it at the lathe, no particular reason.

The playability is most certainly different when using half tip vs. full tip. It even seems to me they have less deflection than a full tip. Maybe not, just seems so. I can't prove it one way or the other except to myself. But feel is certainly firmer. The things are expensive to be cutting half away to shreds. Might as well just go ahead & cut half right away and have two tips. I do the same with Mooris if they are going on my cues. I actually cut most tips down til the sidewall is barely thicker than a nickel, then shape them. The only tips I have found that play exactly the same no matter how thick they are, is Superpros.
 
jed1894 said:
I just had someone put a Kamui tip on one of my shafts. It came really tall. The installer said he usually leaves them tall. However, it looks real tall to me--twice as tall as any other tip I got on a shaft.

Is this normal or do you guys cut them down to half the size? Will it change how it plays if they're cut down?

thanks, JED
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Jed, the reason many cue repairman do not want to take these tips down very much is because they are prone to delaminate at the tips layers. If this happens during installation they will have to replace the tip, so they leave them thicker.

If I were you I would ask whoever put it on to take it down as far as you want. That way you will know if you have a good tip or a bad tip, and if it is bad he will have to replace it.;)

I install a number of tip's (more than 100 per month) and I no longer sell these tips because of that reason.

Take Care
 
manwon said:
Jed, the reason many cue repairman do not want to take these tips down very much is because they are prone to delaminate at the tips layers. If this happens during installation they will have to replace the tip, so they leave them thicker.

If I were you I would ask whoever put it on to take it down as far as you want. That way you will know if you have a good tip or a bad tip, and if it is bad he will have to replace it.;)

I install a number of tip's (more than 100 per month) and I no longer sell these tips because of that reason.

Take Care
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Hey Manwon! You've got the experience, so I'm asking of you: You no longer sell Kamui because of delam problems - I don't blame you if that is a problem - my limited experience has not shown me this, however. So, my question is how do you shape tips - cause I was thinking these Kamui's were indestructible. I watched a cuemaker install two for me, and they shaped effortlessly with a razor blade - no heat. Is that the way you do it? Thanks for your input!
 
shankster8 said:
Hey Manwon! You've got the experience, so I'm asking of you: You no longer sell Kamui because of delam problems - I don't blame you if that is a problem - my limited experience has not shown me this, however. So, my question is how do you shape tips - cause I was thinking these Kamui's were indestructible. I watched a cuemaker install two for me, and they shaped effortlessly with a razor blade - no heat. Is that the way you do it? Thanks for your input!
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The technique used has little if anything to do with it, the speed your lathe is turning is the big issue. If you have it turning to fast, it will create a great deal of friction and heat.

However, the problem with delamination is not limited to instalation. I also had to replace tips that came apart during play.

All I can say it happen too frequently for my taste, and I never had a problem like that with Moori's or any other layered tip I have in stock, which number 12 different types.

Hope this helps
 
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manwon said:
Jed, the reason many cue repairman do not want to take these tips down very much is because they are prone to delaminate at the tips layers. If this happens during installation they will have to replace the tip, so they leave them thicker.

If I were you I would ask whoever put it on to take it down as far as you want. That way you will know if you have a good tip or a bad tip, and if it is bad he will have to replace it.;)

I install a number of tip's (more than 100 per month) and I no longer sell these tips because of that reason.

Take Care
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Can't send it back unless I pay shipping both ways and it's not worth all that trouble for me. What's your opinion on the Willard nickel (or dime) shaper (the one one with that looks like a 1/2 dollar)?

I called Kamui before I shaped the tip and they told me that the tip would shape fine with any kind of shaper. So, I put it in the Willard and spun it around about 3 times and it was done. Very easy and not much friction. It did not have time to heat up. The tip, although still tall, came out perfect. None of my other tips shaped that fast and easy. Although it's advertised at a medium tip its shaped like a soft tip.

JED
 
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