Keith Would have Crushed Them

[JAM]

your wrong.
he wanted to play another set but had no money.
he wanted to put up a car and did not have the title.
so your wrong.

It was after two sets. After Liljon lost BOTH SETS, they came to me for a third, to which I declined.

 

[real bartram]

It was after two sets. After Liljon lost BOTH SETS, they came to me for a third, to which I declined.

not true.not true

 

[real bartram]

Chris, I know how much you love pool and how much you respect the great players. There aren't too many who play your speed.

It's a shame you never got to see Keith in his prime (age 18 to early 30's). He went through a tough rack, like a hot knife through butter. Even you would have been impressed.

Nobody, not even Alex, had the pure natural talent of this guy. Shot for shot, maybe the best player to ever hold a cue. And he could do it all with the money on the line, under extreme pressure.

I guarantee you one thing, if Keith ever had a guy 22 games stuck (like SVB against Alex), you could put a fork in them. Once he got you stuck, you stayed stuck. It WAS like a nightmare, it only got worse. :wink:

there are a lot of players with more natural talent than alex.
that does not mean they can beat him.
i dont play near them, but a lot of guys have more talent than me and i beat them.
im just going to say play on a tight table older cloth and play a week say 12 hours a day alex would win.
thats what i think.well never know for sure.
i know keith was great but with all the great players today he would not rule.
im not saying he could not play with them.

 

[The Saw]

I am wondering if it is even him posting, as he had another guy posting under his membership name previously, who eventualy was banned.

Oh, it's him alright....

 

[real bartram]

I disagree. NO ONE would rob a 23 year old Keith on any table. Sorry to say, he would be giving you weight!

i know he would give me weight.
this is not about me .
i never said i was the best.
but i said alex would beat him.

 

[JAM]

Oh, it's him alright....

What a shame. It saddens me to read how one pool player can post up nonsensical mumbo jumbo about another pool player's capabilities when the other player was competing before Chris Bartrum was even born. How can he even make a judgment that Alex Pagulayan would beat Keith McCready in Keith's prime when Chris Bartrum never witnessed Keith play pool when Keith was 23? That is my point. This kind of statement is tragic and is demeaning, and he keeps pounding his opinion about Keith's capabilities in his prime as if he knows him.

Christ Bartrum needs to get himself off this forum and use a Neti pot because he's full of something.

Thanks for the confirmation, The Saw!

 

[jay helfert]

there are a lot of players with more natural talent than alex.
that does not mean they can beat him.
i dont play near them, but a lot of guys have more talent than me and i beat them.
im just going to say play on a tight table older cloth and play a week say 12 hours a day alex would win.
thats what i think.well never know for sure.
i know keith was great but with all the great players today he would not rule.
im not saying he could not play with them.

I'm not so sure there are more "great" players in this country today than there were thirty years ago. Worldwide maybe, but not here.

We had 40-50 great players in America back then. I won't get into naming them but I could if I have to. I'm talking about guys who could play even with the best American players today. For instance, a Larry Lisciotti, a Jimmy Marino, a Steve Cook, a Jim Mataya, a Jim Rempe, a Mike Carella, a Jimmy Reid, a Pete Margo. I could go on but maybe you get the picture. These guys were serious players, just as good as the top players of today.

And I didn't even mention any of the real greats like Buddy, the Miz, Sigel, Hopkins and Varner. I could name 15-20 more easily who fit in the above category. Richie Florence, Wade Crane, Ronnie Allen are three that come to mind quick. And guys like Jersey Red, Shorty, Cornbread, Ervolino, Lassiter and Jimmy Moore were still going strong in the 70's. More and more, I think this was a golden era for pool in America.

A few more refugees from the 70's - Greg Stevens, Denny Searcy, Eddie Taylor, Bugs, Grady Mathews, Bob Osborne, Louie Roberts, Jimmy Fusco, Monk Costanzo, Kim Davenport, Lou Butera, Dallas West, Jack Cooney, Danny Diliberto, Ray Martin, Marvin Henderson, Cole Dickson, David Howard, Larry Hubbart, Hawaiian Brian, Don McCoy, Dave Matlock, Jay Swanson, Dan Louie, Bob Vanover, Mike Massey. All were excellent players and a few I would call among the greatest all time. I forgot one name, KEITH!

 

[real bartram]

What a shame. It saddens me to read how one pool player can post up nonsensical mumbo jumbo about another pool player's capabilities when the other player was competing before Chris Bartrum was even born. How can he even make a judgment that Alex Pagulayan would beat Keith McCready in Keith's prime when Chris Bartrum never witnessed Keith play pool when Keith was 23? That is my point. This kind of statement is tragic and is demeaning, and he keeps pounding his opinion about Keith's capabilities in his prime as if he knows him.

Christ Bartrum needs to get himself off this forum and use a Neti pot because he's full of something.

Thanks for the confirmation, The Saw!

you talk like you know.
wow you watched a game and still dont know.
do you think they gave me the break on a bar table wow and you watched the game.
i dont think you can draw the ball.
so how could you know about how good keith played.
just like tiger woods is the best ever.
players of today are better.

 

[JAM]

you talk like you know.
wow you watched a game and still dont know.
do you think they gave me the break on a bar table wow and you watched the game.
i dont think you can draw the ball.
so how could you know about how good keith played.
just like tiger woods is the best ever.
players of today are better.

You're full of yourself. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I now have a different opinion about you not only as a pool player, but as a person.

BTW, Keith's got more heart and gamble in his pinky than you ever will your entire life. Your personality on and off the table speaks for itself.

Oh, yeah, one more thing. For the record, I can draw a ball. That's probably the only shot that I can still execute well on the table today.

 

[xianmacx]

I don't know why everyone is getting all worked up. An opinion was stated about who could beat who and everyone takes it personal. It's not a personal attack on a player...and it has nothing to do with not seeing Keith in his prime. I have never seem anyone play prior to 1996 and my opinion is Efren is the best one pocket player that has ever lived. Am I wrong? Maybe, but thats why we call it gambling.

For the record, I also really like Alex on a big table against Keith. But remember, this is MY OPINION and if it weren't for people having different opinions we would not have gambling at all.

 

[JAM]

I don't know why everyone is getting all worked up. An opinion was stated about who could beat who and everyone takes it personal. It's not a personal attack on a player...and it has nothing to do with not seeing Keith in his prime. I have never seem anyone play prior to 1996 and my opinion is Efren is the best one pocket player that has ever lived. Am I wrong? Maybe, but thats why we call it gambling.

For the record, I also really like Alex on a big table against Keith. But remember, this is MY OPINION and if it weren't for people having different opinions we would not have gambling at all.

Thanks for your opinion.

The only three times Alex and Keith have competed on a big table was in tournaments, and Keith won all three times. Keith was hitting 50 years old, and Alex was 22 or 23.

 

[xianmacx]

Thanks for your opinion.

The only three times Alex and Keith have competed on a big table was in tournaments, and Keith won all three times. Keith was hitting 50 years old, and Alex was 22 or 23.

Good shooting Keith. I hope he gets back into playing in the near future.

 

[real bartram]

I don't know why everyone is getting all worked up. An opinion was stated about who could beat who and everyone takes it personal. It's not a personal attack on a player...and it has nothing to do with not seeing Keith in his prime. I have never seem anyone play prior to 1996 and my opinion is Efren is the best one pocket player that has ever lived. Am I wrong? Maybe, but thats why we call it gambling.

For the record, I also really like Alex on a big table against Keith. But remember, this is MY OPINION and if it weren't for people having different opinions we would not have gambling at all.

good post
same thing i think.

 

[JAM]

Good shooting Keith. I hope he gets back into playing in the near future.

I don't. I certainly do not. For what? To dance like a monkey for others to ridicule and rip apart? No, thank you. Welcome to the American pool world where pool is cruel to its own.

 

[real bartram]

You're full of yourself. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I now have a different opinion about you not only as a pool player, but as a person.

BTW, Keith's got more heart and gamble in his pinky than you ever will your entire life. Your personality on and off the table speaks for itself.

Oh, yeah, one more thing. For the record, I can draw a ball. That's probably the only shot that I can still execute well on the table today.

keiths got more heart.
dont think so.

 

[JAM]

good post
same thing i think.

Ignorance is bliss, as they say.

 

[watchez]

Who can ever forget when he was getting ready to shoot the game ball in against Alex Pagulayan for the almighty win at the '03 Open. It was a nice, easy straight-in shot on the 9-rock. Why couldn't he just shoot the sucker in? Nope, not Keith. He already had the full attention of every single attendee in the Chesapeake Conference Center watching his game. They had to stop the TV table because even Efren and Bustie were sweating Keith and Alex. Johnny Archer was playing alongside Keith's table against Howard Vickery, and Johnny was extremely pissed off and just sat in his chair until Keith and Alex were through. I was extremely pissed off sitting in the audience, watching Keith prance around the table like a ballerina.

So, instead of knocking the 9 in for the win, Keith looks up at his fans in the stands while he's actually stroking the ball, NEVER lookihg at the pocket, and yells out, "And you can put this on the Internet." He missed the pocket by a mile. I remember hearing Sally Timko from InsidePOOL magazine in the audience yelling out, "And we will." Watching Keith compete at the Open that year was like sitting on the Rebel Yell roller-coaster at King's Dominion. :angry:

So in this story - even though Keith missed the 9 ball for the win, he still came back to have another chance to beat Alex and won the match?

 

[real bartram]

You're full of yourself. Thanks for sharing your opinion. I now have a different opinion about you not only as a pool player, but as a person.

BTW, Keith's got more heart and gamble in his pinky than you ever will your entire life. Your personality on and off the table speaks for itself.

Oh, yeah, one more thing. For the record, I can draw a ball. That's probably the only shot that I can still execute well on the table today.

im not full of myself.
i know there are a lot of players i cant beat.
i dont care what your opinion is of me.

 

[JAM]

keiths got more heart.
dont think so.

Oh, he does. Keith can bark and drum up action any place he steps foot in. You, on the other hand, I would liken to a dingo.

 

[JAM]

So in this story - even though Keith missed the 9 ball for the win, he still came back to have another chance to beat Alex and won the match?

In a word, yes.