Landon Shuffett BEATS Strickland 7-2 at Viking Tour event in Athens, GA

Fast Davie NC said:
As a pro Jay, I can't beleive you are "Doggin Out" other pros. It is very un pro like. I am a chef and if I did that to other restaurants, I would be setting my self up for failure! I like you and there is no harm with this. I really would like to see all of you pros stick together! I will be in touch, I would love to get some of those programs and videos(sorry, I would want the one's with Earl in them!). Ciao
Take a deep breath and reconsider this post. It might need some re-thinking............
 
The only reason I said it was a joke of a set was beacuse....it was a joke of a set. But then again to my way of thinking most races in professional pool are ridiculously short. That has been discussed on this forum many times, and the overall responses that I read during those threads is that people agree that professional races are way too short. Again I make analogies to other sports, where its lasts 1-3 hours, (and they are running around!!!!!). So with that in mind, I never said it wasn't a good accomplishment, I never said that Landon wasn't a world class player. All I meant was that the reason he beat Earl was because the race was so short. Now could he have beat him in a race to 21....we don't know. And thats a shame. But with any upset in a short race, however minor, to me, its because they just didn't play very long. And if you dont understand that concept than your the joke!

P.s. does anyone know HOW Earl congratulated Landon, because its not what you say....its HOW you say it. Something tells me there might have been some sarcasm, but I dont know I wasnt there, anybody have some insight on that?

PPS Im not a pro, im a mid A player
 
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I agree that a race to 7 is too short but I hate it when it's used as an excuse for a more experienced player losing. If they're that good surely they shouldn't need 10 games to warm up? Don't get me wrong, I can understand their feeling that over a longer match they could perhaps have gotten back into it but I'd rather hear them say the other guy just came out of the gate on fire & didn't look back, well played or whatever.

I think it's great to hear about these young players who are making names for themselves. Add to that Earl starting to play well again & I honestly think there could be hope for the future of this game we all love. That's the kind of stuff that looks good on TV, the new faces against a legend who could be enjoying a renaissance. Some viewers will pull for the veteran while others will be behind the youngster.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
P.s. does anyone know HOW Earl congratulated Landon, because its not what you say....its HOW you say it. Something tells me there might have been some sarcasm, but I dont know I wasnt there, anybody have some insight on that?

r

doesn't matter. it's one thing for earl to whine about losing to an adult, but he would've looked more stupid than he normally does if he whined about losing to a kid....though i wouldn't put it past him.
 
Cobgratulations to Landon. I was on the phone with Stan just before Landon's match started, and he told me Landon was ready for anything. Obviously, he was right!
Landon is the real deal, and his dad has done a great job bringing him to the level he is playing. I expect we will be hearing from this young man for quite some time.
Steve
 
RunoutalloverU said:
The only reason I said it was a joke of a set was beacuse....it was a joke of a set. But then again to my way of thinking most races in professional pool are ridiculously short. That has been discussed on this forum many times, and the overall responses that I read during those threads is that people agree that professional races are way too short. Again I make analogies to other sports, where its lasts 1-3 hours, (and they are running around!!!!!). So with that in mind, I never said it wasn't a good accomplishment, I never said that Landon wasn't a world class player. All I meant was that the reason he beat Earl was because the race was so short. Now could he have beat him in a race to 21....we don't know. And thats a shame. But with any upset in a short race, however minor, to me, its because they just didn't play very long. And if you dont understand that concept than your the joke!

P.s. does anyone know HOW Earl congratulated Landon, because its not what you say....its HOW you say it. Something tells me there might have been some sarcasm, but I dont know I wasnt there, anybody have some insight on that?

PPS Im not a pro, im a mid A player

Your statements diminish, or attempt to diminish, what was a very significant accomplishment for Landon. You purposely rained on his parade. You threw a wet blanket on the party. Your negativity attempted to diminish a very positive moment.

It was a crappy statement to make and served no purpose other than to tell us who you are and your response made that crystal clear.
 
RunoutalloverU said:
It was because it was a race to 7. Again a joke of a set. But then again anyone who beats earl I like.

Did anyone think that this could have been in the loosers' bracket?!!!!
 
whitewolf said:
Did anyone think that this could have been in the loosers' bracket?!!!!

I'll bet neither of them were loose as a goose! LOL! :D

I can imagine going into this match what was dancing in each of their collective heads. Landon, on the one hand, was probably gearing up for this match-up with the American pool champion and was going to take no prisoners, i.e., the good old-fashioned "killer instinct." This is what separates the lions from the lambs. After you get a couple of wins like this under your belt, the wins become easier, and it's all up from there. Landon's got his whole future to look forward to, and he is just beginning to blossom. :p

Earl, on the other hand, is getting acclimated to playing with a new cue and, like any other competitor, wanted this win to make it to the finals. Earl Strickland as an American pool player has had the longest streak in pool than any other American pool player I can think of. Sigel is right there, too. When you have won as consistently as Earl has over the years, losing is a new phenomenon that can be difficult to swallow. Heck, me personally, I've lost more than I've won when I played pool, so it's no big deal to me losing. However, since Earl has been a pool player his entire life -- how old is he, 45, 46? -- and winning is his main objective at all times, losing is difficult, and it does't matter who he's playing. However, he's still my horse if he never wins another race! :)

As far as the short races, this seems to be the norm today in pool. I am reminded of Shane Van Boening making it all the way to the finals, but then got defeated by Alex Pagulayan in a race to 7. Shane never got a chance to lose a match, like every single one of the other competitors did in that event.

Short races suck, but it's the way it's done today, and every player knows about the short races going into it. So, in essence, it is a level playing field.

JAM
 
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RunoutalloverU said:
The only reason I said it was a joke of a set was beacuse....it was a joke of a set. But then again to my way of thinking most races in professional pool are ridiculously short.
All I meant was that the reason he beat Earl was because the race was so short. Now could he have beat him in a race to 21....we don't know. And thats a shame. But with any upset in a short race, however minor, to me, its because they just didn't play very long. And if you dont understand that concept than your the joke!


Here's a concept for you. Please make a list here of ALL the other tournaments that have races to 21.
Doug
( a T.D.'s nightmare is two slow players going hill-hill in a race to 21 match. Talk about holding up the brackets in a 2 or 3 day tournament.... Oy-Vey ! )
 
whitewolf said:
Did anyone think that this could have been in the loosers' bracket?!!!!


whitewolf, the match between Landon and Earl wa in the winners bracket. Additionally, it was a key match since the winner of that match didn't have to play again until Sunday and the winner was also guaranteed to be in the money but the loser was not.

Mj
 
I don't think

that it unreasonable for the last 5 matches before the final be a race
to 9, with the final being a race to 11, especially since there is only one
set for the final.

The question now is: Should Shane VB start worrying about Landon now or later? ...... LOL It was fun to tease Gabe about the young kids today trying to gun him down, and a turnabout from when he was 17.
 
not taking anything away from Landons victory over Earl, but Earl did rake the balls every time Landon got to the 5 or 6. He did this the last 5 games. It was very unprofessional in my opinion.
 
if that's the case, my hat's off to earl!

MikeJanis said:
Earl Conceded the last game after Landon pocketed the 3 ball and was dead out.

Earl is quoted as saying "Landons Great" !

Earl showed a lot of class for taking that kind of beating and shook Landons hand and wished him luck.

Landon only missed 1 ball the whole match.

Mj

if earl congratulated his opponent for the win, then my hat goes off to him for being a true sportsman. if earl can win his fans back, it'll help him in his quest to get back to the top in pool.

poolmouse
 
corvette1340 said:
not taking anything away from Landons victory over Earl, but Earl did rake the balls every time Landon got to the 5 or 6. He did this the last 5 games. It was very unprofessional in my opinion.

Yep, he didn't allow Landon to experience the good feeling and confidence boost of running those balls. On the other hand, he knows how it feels to see those balls going down while he's sitting down.

Flex
 
corvette1340 said:
not taking anything away from Landons victory over Earl, but Earl did rake the balls every time Landon got to the 5 or 6. He did this the last 5 games. It was very unprofessional in my opinion.

More Earlisms.
 
Landon just won his next match against Paul Turner 7-6.
Ps. Paul didn't give up any balls.

Landons next match will be against Stevie Moore in about 1 hour.


Also as a note, we only have 13 tables for the tournament action and with both the Open and Amateur division we have exactly 100 player entries. The Open Division, 56 entries was a race to 7 on both sides. The Amateur Division, 44 entries is a race to 5 on both sides.
 
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Smorgass Bored said:
Here's a concept for you. Please make a list here of ALL the other tournaments that have races to 21.
Doug
( a T.D.'s nightmare is two slow players going hill-hill in a race to 21 match. Talk about holding up the brackets in a 2 or 3 day tournament.... Oy-Vey ! )

Actually Doug, in a typical weekend tournament, a Race to Seven is the norm. If you have enough tables, you might play a Race To Nine on the winner's side and Race To Seven on the loser's side. We did it that way at the Swanee tourney this year, but I had 24 tables to work with.

In major events, Races to Nine are a minimum in my opinion, and prefer a Race To Eleven. What I have often criticized it that the final TV matches in major events are shortened to a Race To Seven. Considering that they are going to edit the tape anyway, why not just play a full match?
 
MikeJanis said:
Landon just won his next match against Paul Turner 7-6.
Ps. Paul didn't give up any balls.

Landons next match will be against Stevie Moore in about 1 hour.

Mj

Mike, this kid it the real deal. And he's how old? 12, 13? I hope he sticks with it. Along with Austin Murphy, we have at least two blossoming champions. There's hope for the future of American pool.
 
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