Lathe or not to Lathe?

TomHay

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My question is not what lathe is better, it is should I get one?

I retired and sold out my biz this year. Pool is the greatest sport in the world. The true object is not to beat another player it's to beat the table and never let anyone else get on your table.

60 is the new 40 so I'm in my 40's, LOL.

Now its Love of the Wood or Love of the game time, I don't feel I can do both and do both justice.

If I buy Cue Equipment I feel 12 - 20 cues a year. If I play Pool I figure 5 days a week minumum. Not doing either for money.

My other option is to buy a cue lathe for my old cue building partner and maybe tinker sometimes.

Any other older guys in here trying to figure out what they want to be when they grow up?

Thanks,
Tom
 
Tom,

I think you will find 20 cue per year for the first few years will be taking up a lot more of your time than you can imagine. Many of those 1st cues will never see a pool room because to build you 1st cue that you are proud of, you like everyone else will have to make a "few: mistakes.

There are a lot of things to learn, more that you would ever realize until you are knee deep in it. As for the lathe, that would be the first thing on the list that never stops asking your pocket for new capitol.

If you are asking the question you are already in the gravity of the black hole and there is no turning back.:help:

Good Cue Making,

Rick
 
I'm an old guy (64) and I'm not going to blow hot air up your skirt. I may be short of breath some day, why waste it.
I think you're off to a bad start. Why the hell are you asking us what you should do with your life?
Make cues or play pool or do whatever else you want to do. It's your decision, not ours.
Whatever you decide to do, commit to it or don't do it at all. That's why I said you're off to a bad start.
You haven't committed to anything and you can't decide what you want to do. And we're supposed to tell you???
Your signature is a bit misleading: RT Custom Cues. What's that all about? Are you the 'T'?
No skin in the game and no experience yet you've got a CMs signature. That's about par for this course.
Don't expect to make money building cues. It ain't gonna happen. If you're lucky, you'll break even doing repairs.
But then, ONLY after you've paid your dues. Think about it. Who's going to entrust you with their cue so you can tinker?
You ARE right about one thing; pool or cues? You can't do both. You can tinker with one and half-ass
tinker with the other and never really be good at either. Commit to one or the other. There is no maybe.

Enjoy your retirement, KJ
 
I guess my post is confusing, but appreciate the input.

I have made cues and have played pool. I know how a good piece of wood will make you sell blood to get it and you always have the want for another piece of equipment even if you have to build and addition to your shop to fit it in.

Though I was lucky enough to not need money after retirement I do not understand comment on not making money building cues.

I asked my question in here because it is a Forum for both Cue makers and players to ask questions. Maybe my question would be better on a Polyurethane, Polyurea chemistry forum where I post on new development.

There is no perfect answer so I guess no perfect question

Thanks for the input so far,
Tom.
 
I think what KJ may have been alluding to (I have been wron in the past :)) is that a lot of people think there is money in making pool cues....
I am of the belief that cue making is a labour of love, and sometimes money follows......sometimes :)
I do a ton of repairs, and make a nice side income doing it.
I also am getting more into building, not to make money, but to make cues :)
Good luck
 
I'm an old guy (64) and I'm not going to blow hot air up your skirt. I may be short of breath some day, why waste it.
I think you're off to a bad start. Why the hell are you asking us what you should do with your life?
Make cues or play pool or do whatever else you want to do. It's your decision, not ours.
Whatever you decide to do, commit to it or don't do it at all. That's why I said you're off to a bad start.
You haven't committed to anything and you can't decide what you want to do. And we're supposed to tell you???
Your signature is a bit misleading: RT Custom Cues. What's that all about? Are you the 'T'?
No skin in the game and no experience yet you've got a CMs signature. That's about par for this course.
Don't expect to make money building cues. It ain't gonna happen. If you're lucky, you'll break even doing repairs.
But then, ONLY after you've paid your dues. Think about it. Who's going to entrust you with their cue so you can tinker?
You ARE right about one thing; pool or cues? You can't do both. You can tinker with one and half-ass
tinker with the other and never really be good at either. Commit to one or the other. There is no maybe.

Enjoy your retirement, KJ

^You sound like a real AHOLE!^^^^ Miserable !*%$

---> To the OP I think It's always good and human nature to ask "What do you think" period.

Good luck and have fun in all your endeavors.
Buy the Lathe:thumbup:
 
I'm an old guy (64) and I'm not going to blow hot air up your skirt. I may be short of breath some day, why waste it.
I think you're off to a bad start. Why the hell are you asking us what you should do with your life?
Make cues or play pool or do whatever else you want to do. It's your decision, not ours.
Whatever you decide to do, commit to it or don't do it at all. That's why I said you're off to a bad start.
You haven't committed to anything and you can't decide what you want to do. And we're supposed to tell you???
Your signature is a bit misleading: RT Custom Cues. What's that all about? Are you the 'T'?
No skin in the game and no experience yet you've got a CMs signature. That's about par for this course.
Don't expect to make money building cues. It ain't gonna happen. If you're lucky, you'll break even doing repairs.
But then, ONLY after you've paid your dues. Think about it. Who's going to entrust you with their cue so you can tinker?
You ARE right about one thing; pool or cues? You can't do both. You can tinker with one and half-ass
tinker with the other and never really be good at either. Commit to one or the other. There is no maybe.

Enjoy your retirement, KJ

Actually, yes, Tom is the T in RT custom cues and both he and Rich worked with Dennis Searing for years before branching out on their own.
After a while making cues Tom decided to get into another business that actually made good money and from which he is now retired.
 
Actually, yes, Tom is the T in RT custom cues and both he and Rich worked with Dennis Searing for years before branching out on their own.
After a while making cues Tom decided to get into another business that actually made good money and from which he is now retired.

Oh snaps, lol. Go for it Tom, the more the merrier, and retirement kills;)
Idle hands, and all that:grin: Now, get in there and put your knowledge, and skills to good use:thumbup:
 
Tom,
There are different people with different backgrounds here, so you will get different oppinions. If that helps you - who knows?

I don't think that cue making goes without playing. Only a good player can make cues, that improve constantly.

I am much younger than most guys here, and I am not a cue maker. But I am a knive maker. I used to make hunting knives but I am no hunter - that took away my motivation in the long run. But I love cooking and my kitchen knives are constantly improoving. I can feel it when I cook with a knive that I made a while ago.

So I can not see that you have to make a big decision right now. Rather the other way round - make sure that you enjoy both.

Gerhard
 
^You sound like a real AHOLE!^^^^ Miserable !*%$

---> To the OP I think It's always good and human nature to ask "What do you think" period.

Good luck and have fun in all your endeavors.
Buy the Lathe:thumbup:

Brilliant observation. Now what does that have to do with the OP's question?
I'm not running for public office so your opinion of me means little to nothing. Thanx for your input.

I don't know that I could have been more to the point yet everyone so far has missed it.
You don't ask someone else what to do with the rest of your life. At this point, you either know or you stay
home and dream about it and wish you had the stones to commit to it. It's your time, waste it as you want.
The game is for everyone, making cues is not. It's a commitment or a waste of time, your choice.
If I ever become fortunate enough to retire, the last thing I would ask someone is what to do with my time.
Look, I don't care what you decide to do. But if you have to ask someone then you don't have a clue.
How is it anyone else's business but your own?

"I know how a good piece of wood will make you sell blood to get it."

"All Cues are a Labor of Love and when you part with one it is like giving away a child."

All rosy words indeed but sorely lacking any substance or commitment.
This isn't about the money. You stated that in your first post. That's good because there's a very real chance
that you're not going to make any. Do you have a 3 yr supply of wood stashed away?
Or are you going to buy as you go and rely on someone else to tell you when it's ready to work?
You don't have a lathe(s) so I'm guessing you have very little or nothing else in the way of equipment.
Once you step through the door you're already at least 10 grand in the hole. This is where the commitment comes in.
No commitment then it's a waste of both time & money.
Hobbies are nice. Until you commit, that's all it will ever be. Maybe that's really all you want.
Even then, do you have to ask if it's right for you??? If you don't know by now, you never will.

It's never been my intent to be disrespectful. You asked a question and I gave my honest answer based on
what was asked and the context in which it was asked. No 'holding hands' & no hot air.
Just the truth as I see it.

KJ
 
My question is not what lathe is better, it is should I get one?

I retired and sold out my biz this year. Pool is the greatest sport in the world. The true object is not to beat another player it's to beat the table and never let anyone else get on your table.

60 is the new 40 so I'm in my 40's, LOL.

Now its Love of the Wood or Love of the game time, I don't feel I can do both and do both justice.

If I buy Cue Equipment I feel 12 - 20 cues a year. If I play Pool I figure 5 days a week minumum. Not doing either for money.

My other option is to buy a cue lathe for my old cue building partner and maybe tinker sometimes.

Any other older guys in here trying to figure out what they want to be when they grow up?

Thanks,
Tom

I'd say do some of both, at whatever level you find enjoyable,,,,,,,,I like your modesty,,,,,,just mentioning working with Searing would have blown most of these guys away, but you have still refrained. Good job,,,,,enjoy what you do, and never let arrogance get in your way.
 
Yes, Dennis was kind enough to share part of his shop with me and Richie for a couple few years. I have known him since his days at West Taft street Hollywood and consider him a good friend.

That by no means makes my cue making good. I had owned a Bloodworth CNC and understood G Coding but Macro calls I did not and through a friend Paul Dayton shared his knowledge because that is who Paul Dayton is.

I sey up shop "Again" in New Port Richie Florida years ago. I had 30 cues in the works and an employee of a company I co owned stole them all. Took a piece of me right out of me, sold the lathe.

My true answer is in here. Its like the Benjamin Franklin theory where you draw a line in the middle of a paper and put pros on one side and cons on the other.

At present I am playing with a Joesy 2004 conversion with leather wrap, nice stiff hit. Maybe by days end I will be playing with a Dayton.
 
Tom,

I think you will find 20 cue per year for the first few years will be taking up a lot more of your time than you can imagine. Many of those 1st cues will never see a pool room because to build you 1st cue that you are proud of, you like everyone else will have to make a "few: mistakes.

There are a lot of things to learn, more that you would ever realize until you are knee deep in it. As for the lathe, that would be the first thing on the list that never stops asking your pocket for new capitol.

If you are asking the question you are already in the gravity of the black hole and there is no turning back.:help:

Good Cue Making,

Rick

I'm past the event horizon and accelerating towards the unknown .................

Kim
 
^You sound like a real AHOLE!^^^^ Miserable !*%$

---> To the OP I think It's always good and human nature to ask "What do you think" period.

Good luck and have fun in all your endeavors.
Buy the Lathe:thumbup:

HI,

KJ is one of the smartest and experienced guys on this form and does never BS anyone. If you were to examine his posts collectivity you will find that he contributions are always right on.

We all have opinions and we should "at the very least" respect everyone's opinions.

Rick
 
getting close to retirement

I am almost in the same situation. I love playing pool and being around the guys so what I did was I bought a portable repair lathe and I go to league night and play a few games, clean a few shafts,put a couple of tips on but mostly just bullshit with the guys and have a few beers. I think this combination gives me the best of both worlds.
 
If you don't mind losing a lot of money, free time, playing time and some sanity for the love of it, go for it.
 
Tom, if you are retired, then the choice is yours as to how much time you would like to devote to the shop building and how much time you can play pool. If you need equipment and it sounds like you're not hurting for money to invest in a lathe or two and whatever else you need, then do it.

If you don't put yourself in a position to have to fulfill building demands then plan your day as you wish.

I have a couple of lathes and besides looking after a few customers, I go down stairs and dabble when I feel like it and play pool 5 nights a week.

Myself, I can't think of a better hobby than to create with your hands and wood. Build bird houses and honey dippers too.
Man, big bucks in honeys dippers and custom bird condos.
 
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BINGO! Blue Hog you hit the nail right on the head. Thars where my fear is, had to read your post twice. Same reason I don't join a league.

I promise myself I won't build to order or promise a time and I always break that rule.

Stop the presses, I couldn't think of why I had this nagging doubt and there it is.

Thanks to everyone for input.

I am buying a Dayton if Paul does this one little tweak.

I don't know your taste but if its like mine yer gonna be drooling when I post pics next weekend.

Thanksssssssssssssssss,
Tom
 
BINGO! Blue Hog you hit the nail right on the head. Thars where my fear is, had to read your post twice. Same reason I don't join a league.

I promise myself I won't build to order or promise a time and I always break that rule.

Stop the presses, I couldn't think of why I had this nagging doubt and there it is.

Thanks to everyone for input.

I am buying a Dayton if Paul does this one little tweak.

I don't know your taste but if its like mine yer gonna be drooling when I post pics next weekend.

Thanksssssssssssssssss,
Tom



Tom, You have been around enough to know what It's like. I do repair mostly, that eats up a lot of time. I make promises to Myself not to commit to building, to just make what I like, Improve upon My building methods as I go, and sell as I go, but I still agree to or am talked into taking on shaft and cue builds occasionally. I turn far many more down, but even what little I do take on seems to keep Me in limbo,so between keeping up with repair, and family emergencies (which I've had a lot of the last 10 years), It often puts me behind schedule. It's not a feeling that I like, and eats into time that I would like to spend building and improving upon My equipment which ultimately would help with production times.

One of the benefits to what I do is I get unlimited free table time at the nicest and largest pool room in My city. the downfall to that is I never get to use it, and I'm lucky If I make It out to play league once a week. Lost My dad a few years back, and just lost My mom about 2 weeks ago, so lately I have not even made it out for league. Gonna try to play this week though. Point being there will always be other things in your life that will also get in the way of progress. If your like me and tinker with a little bit of everything, then you probably fix everything that breaks around the house too, In My case I have 2 houses to deal with, and 3 vehicles to keep on the road. Money aside, all these things eat up a lot of time, and somethings just take priority over others especially when It comes to family or finances.

If You don't want to end up spinning Your wheels, then start out right with at least one build lathe, and one repair lathe, or better yet, the second lathe being able to handle repair and some of the building tasks. That way if You have something dialed in on Your build lathe, then have repair come in, you don't have to rush the current work through, or take it out, only to have to come back and dial It in again at a later time. In some situations you may need a part turned for the work dialed in on the other lathe, so that's another way having at least one other lathe can help. The more equipment the better. I'm sure at some point You have experienced this, so can probably relate to how often these type things can happen, and how annoying that can be. They can all add up to a major waste of time.


If You want to have the best of both worlds, and have no trouble financing Both hobbies, without being dependent upon revenue from cue work, then My suggestion is stick to your guns, and don't take on commitments. Just divide your time as you please, and enjoy yourself in doing so.

No doubt It's a Labor of love, and If not for that, I could be making a lot more money doing something much easier with less overhead. It has even became down right sentimental with me, or I would have given in a long time ago. I have too many memories of friends and family connected to the game, and for some of those people I have nothing but memories left. I would never give up on the game, and even if I went into another occupation, I would still keep my equipment around to build cues and repair my own cues as a hobby on the side. (In My own time Of coarse) besides that I use My equipment for other things not related to cues.

The choice is one that only you can make, but sounds to me that if you do want to start back up, then You already know the answer. Don't commit to anything until you are sure it's what you want. There's nothing to stop you from acquiring the equipment, and just keeping It on the down low that you are building again.

Either way wish you luck, and enjoy your retirement.

Greg
 
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