Learn with an aiming system or not

You're good. the HAMB crowd can't stand to let a question like yours be answered in any pro-aiming system way without turning it into a flamewar.

What you call a "flame war"..I call a "fact war"!..You will never admit, that HAMB is 100 times more efficient (and effective) than all the aiming systems in the world!..But you do fit right in with all the other 'APA 3' players!..Almost all of your 26,000 posts and videos, have been spent trying to explain CTE to them, or else defending why it CAN'T be explained intelligently! :o

PS..I'm also aware that the odds of you ever admitting that, are about 500 to 1..;)
 
RJ...Naturally you showed her what a good stroke, bridge, and stance is...FIRST, right? Because no way, method, feel, or system will work without an accurate & repeatable stroke. Few APA 3's have any kind of stroke or preshot routines. :D

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

There is an APA 3 that plays in our ACS league. Nice lady, mid 50's, being play pool forever, loves the game, plays at least 3 times a week in various leagues.

She misses cut shots, any cut shot, about 50% of the time, maybe even more. I finally got sick of it, and showed her fractional aiming, so at least she has a reference. Her mind can't ever find the right spot in the past, because she missed so often.

She would aim with her cue on the 1/4 of the object ball, and then use her cue to line up the cb (the actual system is NOT the point, so lets not discuss that part)

She had a hard time even understanding the this simple aiming system. I showed her again the next week cause she was doing it wrong. And I showed her again the next week, and she was finally starting to understand.

Finally, she was making shots, a LOT more than 50%. Maybe 80% now, on routine, NOT length of table cut shots. And now she is not even using her cue to "aim" it up anymore because her mind now knows where to go instinctively.

Yeah, she will need to learn about throw, English, and develop a little better stroke to bring that 80% up to 95%, and that will be some increments at that point. But at least her brain now has a point of reference. For whatever reasons, not all persons learn the same, or will ever play the same.

Some folks have no natural ability and need to "devise" some of their own. Is it a crutch, yep. But crutches are fuggin GOLDEN when you are crippled. And for all intent and purposes, she was a crippled pool player that was never going to "see" where she had to hit the object ball.

Of course, not everyone is going to be this bad. But that guy out there that is only hitting 80% wants to get to 95% one day, and a reference for his brain is not going to hurt him. It may or may not help him. who really knows. But when all else fails and hitting a million balls badly is not working, you got to try something else.

It's just a guide, to help folks "train" their brain, to learn how to sight the object ball, to learn that when things look "wrong" they might actually be right, and to trust you judgment and not make corrections once you are down on the shot.

Bottom line, is for many folks, they need it and badly. How more millions of balls is this mid 50's lady got left in her before she can actually starting winning a few games? For me, it was time. She needed to do something different, because whatever she had been doing for the last 15 years simple was not working, and was never going to work, no matter how much she played.

Remember, most league players are not shortstops, and most aiming systems are developed for these league players. The majority of the pool playing public. And they want to get better without hitting a million balls, and for those that hit a million and still can't pot a ball to save their life.

Insanity is doing something over and over, but expecting different results.
 
I know that my stroke is wonky which is one reason I don't do a lot of "tough" shots in my videos. The other reason is that I find it to be easier to explain whatever it is that I am wanting to convey in a smaller space on the table.

That said, here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6B46emAxuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lHJ2NYLzps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAOEywF8z3A

Best I got for you right now.

Pretty good, however, your spearin em in like a 9 blr with a snoot full---as a 1P plyr do the same drills w OB @ pkt spd, shootin them with an open bridge will get the wonk out of your stroke and bump your game

try in for 30+- minutes per day for @ least a couple of weeks

a
 
Pretty good, however, your spearin em in like a 9 blr with a snoot full---as a 1P plyr do the same drills w OB @ pkt spd, shootin them with an open bridge will get the wonk out of your stroke and bump your game

try in for 30+- minutes per day for @ least a couple of weeks

a

Is that last video supposed to be hard shots I hope not


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What you call a "flame war"..I call a "fact war"!..You will never admit, that HAMB is 100 times more efficient (and effective) than all the aiming systems in the world!..But you do fit right in with all the other 'APA 3' players!..Almost all of your 26,000 posts and videos, have been spent trying to explain CTE to them, or else defending why it CAN'T be explained intelligently! :o
PS..I'm also aware that the odds of you ever admitting that, are about 500 to 1..;)
100 times more efficient????
That's pretty strong stuff, my man.
That could be interpreted that you, as a HAMB devotee with years of experience, are 100 times better at playing than the average duffer like me.
Therefore you should give 100 to 1 odds on every game you play.
As bad as I shoot, (I'm an APA 3) I think I'll try you out with those odds.
Drop it to 50 to 1 odds on each game and I'll send a bona fide CTE graduate at you for a few dollars.
Now what, mister gambling man?
 
PS..Give it up John..Pool is not a science, its a challenging skill! But your buddy, Mr.HawiianEye thinks anyone can easily master it, he says he's made millions at it, and he can teach 10 yr.old kids and complete idiots, to play top notch pool in 6 mos.!..Why can't he teach you? :confused: :p

I'm not a buddy of anybody on here.

I said I could teach a person to play decent pool in 6 months. I never said they would be a world champion. I didn't say I would or could train idiots, so don't bother trying to sign up for any lessons.

You need to find something else to do for a hobby other than coming on here badgering people. It is no wonder you were thrown off the one pocket.org site.
 
Dont want to start a whole new thread so Ill ask here. I have a couple questions about CTE

I get the basics of lining up edge of CB to 'a' 'b' or 'c' on the OB. BUT... what about snooker cues that are 10mm? what about using a 10mm with smaller 2 1/16 balls?

also, when lining up the cue stick with the edge of the CB, do you go to the outside of the cue stick or the inside? Hard to explain but does your cue shaft go right outside the view of the cue ball or is the exact edge of the CB in the middle of your shaft line?





thanks

This post ABSOLUTELY belongs in the Aiming Conversations section.

Dale(who wonders if you can hear the hijacking of a thread if it shouldn't be there in the first place?)
 
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The hi-jacking is much more interesting Dale :thumbup:

I'm not a buddy of anybody on here.

I said I could teach a person to play decent pool in 6 months. I never said they would be a world champion. I didn't say I would or could train idiots, so don't bother trying to sign up for any lessons.

You need to find something else to do for a hobby other than coming on here badgering people. It is no wonder you were thrown off the one pocket.org site.

'Badgering' and 'Bragging' can both be very irritating, to most folks!..Only two, out of several hundred people, wanted me removed from 1P.org, and they let it be known too!..Unfortunately for me, one of the two owned the site!..But you knew that, didn't you?..I wish you had been around in my playing days..I would have shown you what an idiot looks like, while I separated you from all your 'huge' winnings! (but you knew that too, didn't you ;))

PS..Are you sure you and Barton aren't related? :confused: :p

100 times more efficient????
That's pretty strong stuff, my man.
That could be interpreted that you, as a HAMB devotee with years of experience, are 100 times better at playing than the average duffer like me.
Therefore you should give 100 to 1 odds on every game you play.
As bad as I shoot, (I'm an APA 3) I think I'll try you out with those odds.
Drop it to 50 to 1 odds on each game and I'll send a bona fide CTE graduate at you for a few dollars.
Now what, mister gambling man?

Thats kind of silly, isn't it Mr.Flash?..There is a billion to one difference (get it) between a jocular reference, and laying odds..However, a reasonable wager could easily be negotiated!...:yeah:

PS..Are you sure you aren't related to Barton and Mr.Eye? :confused: :cool: ;)
 
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'Badgering' and 'Bragging' can both be very irritating, to most folks!..Only two, out of several hundred people, wanted me removed from 1P.org, and they let it be known too!..Unfortunately for me, one of the two owned the site.


I was also kicked off onepocket.org, about a year ago, and am proud of it.

If you don't kiss the right asses you quickly become persona non grata and I refused to pucker up. The threat Steve made to SJD was shameful.

Lou Figueroa
 
If you want consistent results you should have a routine. Part of that routine should be deciding whether or not you are using English. If not, you aim the contact point to the pocket to the contact point of the cue ball. This will be on the center axis of the cue ball. There are diagrams out there explaining this.

If you are using English you need to decide where to aim (you have to aim to miss one way or another in most cases when using side spin), and then aim the contact point of the cue ball at the spot you decide will make the ball.

Over time you will learn how much or little to adjust your aim with English based off of distance between object ball and cue ball, amount of spin, speed of shot, throw from collision or side spin. Also, different cues will react differently but if you have a baseline you can learn to adjust.

It is very important that you strike exactly where you want on the cue ball. If you can't do that dependably you won't play well.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but you would do well to ignore the arguing and focus on the few main points in my post.

You can and many have learned this subconsciously by playing a lot, but personally i think it best to make conscious decisions and learn when you decide wrong.

Feel free to pm with any questions.


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'Badgering' and 'Bragging' can both be very irritating, to most folks!..Only two, out of several hundred people, wanted me removed from 1P.org, and they let it be known too!..Unfortunately for me, one of the two owned the site!..But you knew that, didn't you?..I wish you had been around in my playing days..I would have shown you what an idiot looks like, while I separated you from all your 'huge' winnings! (but you knew that too, didn't you ;))

PS..Are you sure you and Barton aren't related? :confused: :p



Thats kind of silly, isn't it Mr.Flash?..There is a billion to one difference (get it) between a jocular reference, and laying odds..However, a reasonable wager could easily be negotiated!...:yeah:

PS..Are you sure you aren't related to Barton and Mr.Eye? :confused: :cool: ;)

You wouldn't have separated me from nothing. Just because you talked your way into the OnePocket.org HOF, doesn't mean you could beat everybody on the planet. I may have put you on the FEDEX bus sooner than you got on it and sent you packing.

I don't come on here saying I could beat everybody in the world, like you do. I will claim that I beat over 90% of everybody I played with for money though. You don't have to be a world champion to leave with the money...you just have to be smarter than the guys you got the money from.
 
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What you call a "flame war"..I call a "fact war"!..You will never admit, that HAMB is 100 times more efficient (and effective) than all the aiming systems in the world!..But you do fit right in with all the other 'APA 3' players!..Almost all of your 26,000 posts and videos, have been spent trying to explain CTE to them, or else defending why it CAN'T be explained intelligently! :o

PS..I'm also aware that the odds of you ever admitting that, are about 500 to 1..;)

A fact war? At every turn you spout your opinion and I post facts. Once again HAMB and CTE are not mutually exclusive. It's not an either/or proposition.

CTE is merely a way to aim. It does not mean that one does not need to "hit a million balls" if one adopts CTE as a way to aim. It's just a very good framework, and one which you literally know NOTHING about, for aiming. And with that good framework one can go about hitting the million balls as one MUST to discover everything ELSE about pool beyond aiming.

Pool has many levels, people enjoy the game on all of those levels. People like you take the fun out of it when you denigrate lesser players for daring to share any methods not approved by you. Well Dick it might be a surprise to you but without the internet and this forum you would be completely forgotten and unknown in the world of pool.

However good you were you were NOT good enough to get more than a passing mention in some stories once in a while. You are one of the players who made up the cadre just below the elite level of your day. Yes, you could play real strong but you're hardly the ultimate authority on pool.

It must kill you that there are hundreds of thousands of players out there who are perfectly content to play at their level and make some small improvements year after year but who aren't driven to be "the best". Players who don't care about matching up and hustling other players, players who don't really care about the "pool pedigree" of the person giving them some small amount of instruction. Knowing that they are out there enjoying the game and could not care one bit for your opinion must really bug you. If not you sure do act like it does.

I don't think you were as good of a player in your day as Stan Shuffett is right now. I am sure you were pretty good for back then, a top notch player in fact. But I think that you in your prime vs retired teacher Stan Shuffett of 2017 would be close and probably Stan would come out ahead.

Why do I think that? Well Stan has all the "hamb" that you do I am sure PLUS he has the solid method of aiming that gives him an objective way to figure out how to aim "tough" shots and banks. Aiming that is followed by a super straight stroke. So I'd bet that in the long run Stan of 2017 would make less unforced errors than San Jose Dick on his best day of his pool life. That's just my opinion though.

So you continue to pick on me and pick on CTE through insulting me but you never dare to go at Stan. Why not? Is it because Stan is a hundred ball runner, because he is the former Kentucky State bank champion? Because he can run 8 and out easily over and over and over......tell us why you don't call out Stan the same way?

I am happy with my game for the most part. Happy to share what helps me to play better and what makes the game fun. I know I am just an average player. So you telling me how bad you think I am is meaningless.

Why don't you talk to Stan directly and have the conversation with him and share your hatred of anything not approved by you? You two can work it out peer to peer. Unless of course you also don't think Stan is qualified to talk and teach pool.
 
Pretty good, however, your spearin em in like a 9 blr with a snoot full---as a 1P plyr do the same drills w OB @ pkt spd, shootin them with an open bridge will get the wonk out of your stroke and bump your game

try in for 30+- minutes per day for @ least a couple of weeks

a

Thanks Adam.
 
San Jose dick,

You do know that you are TOTALLY WRONG about HAMB being more efficient than an aiming system???? Tell me you're just trying to jerk John's chain, right.....

JoeyA

What you call a "flame war"..I call a "fact war"!..You will never admit, that HAMB is 100 times more efficient (and effective) than all the aiming systems in the world!..But you do fit right in with all the other 'APA 3' players!..Almost all of your 26,000 posts and videos, have been spent trying to explain CTE to them, or else defending why it CAN'T be explained intelligently! :o

PS..I'm also aware that the odds of you ever admitting that, are about 500 to 1..;)
 
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