Lucasi = junk?

Why don't you lay off the mindless patriotic bullshit already. We know you hate China, you made yourself abundantly clear before.

Also, I have news for you: China can design and manufacture good products all by itself these days. It doesn't need Uncle Sam anymore. Sorry it hurts, but that's the truth. In fact most of the good products you own and enjoy come from China. If you think you can buy all american these days, you're dreaming. Heck, US companies themselves don't want to manufacture in the US where its more expensive.

Mindless??? I think you need to lay off. The truth is, its more expensive to manufacture in America because of our laws that are in place to protect workers, and the environment. So instead of doing it the right way, its easier for companies to make their stuff in china where they can pollute as much air and water as they want. And before you go bashing Uncle Sam, and talking about how "China doesnt need him", well you better check your facts friend, the US is the largest importer of Chinese made goods, and when our economy tanked, guess what happened in china? People got laid off, just like here in the states. As far as wood in guns, are you really telling me that good seasoned aged walnut is no better than fresh cut? So the wood in my ruger 10/22 is just as good as the wood in my $2000 Beretta O/U? Hmmmm........I must disagree.


Joe
 
would you rather buy a cnc made american product, or a cnc made Chinese one????

i believe that the american cuemakers use better wood too...

i firmly believe that as an american the better buy is a Mcdermott, Joss, Jacoby, schmetke, viking, schon, or any number of smaller named more affordable custom like Diveney or simular that arent priced outrageously
when you buy a cue from these guys your buying a cue from a guy that has alot in common with you...and i like the idea of supporting owners/workers of companys like that....i just bought a joss off ebay a few months back for $240 i emailed Dan Janes the serial number and he told me the work order of the cue was for $825 ...the cue looks great and is the only one like it possibly(it does have some very slight flaws in one of the points but other than that its very nice....id say i got a deal...and id do it agian over buying a Lucasi anyday.

and i hope that your 4000 euro gun shoots better than the 200 euro.
for 4000 i want a perfect drop, feel, finish, trigger and action....for 200 i wouldnt expect any of that to be perfect.
if you could make the perfect gun and sell it for 200 euro youd be a billionair
 
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Why don't you lay off the mindless patriotic bullshit already. We know you hate China, you made yourself abundantly clear before.

I wasn't talking about super-cheap crap you find at Walmart, I was talking about *decent* cues made in China. Yes, there is the odd bad cue with cheaper ones, that's a risk you have to take with cues made in China, and with cheap cues made in the US as well.

An affordable decent cue will last as long as any super-expensive cue from any reputable one-cue-a-week maker if you care for it. It won't look as nice, the finish isn't as good, but the cue will last just as long. At some point you need to stop kidding yourself and realize cues are just decorated lumps of wood. Expensive cues are made of super-nice wood, and decent cues are made of decent wood. Decent wood doesn't warp if the cue was correctly made (apart from the ocasional dud). For what it's worth, I should mention that I work with expensive woods professionally. I am a gunsmith and I make stocks that range from 200 euros to 4000. Guess what? The only difference is looks and finish. The gun doesn't fire any better with the 4000 euro stock, and the 200 euro stock doesn't warp either because my woods are dried properly, despite the price.

Also, I have news for you: China can design and manufacture good products all by itself these days. It can make crap too, but it increasingly makes a lot of good stuff on its own. It doesn't need Uncle Sam anymore. Sorry it hurts, but that's the truth. In fact most of the good products you own and enjoy come from China. If you think you can buy all american these days, you're dreaming. Heck, US companies themselves don't want to manufacture in the US where its more expensive.

Oh, and Meucci gets its blanks from China (even complete cues in the case of their Medici line). As for my Meucci, I didn't buy it, I won it from a guy, and I kept it because it played good, not because it may or may not be made in the US. I don't care where good products are made, I just care if they're good, sorry.

Why such anger? Where do you see me touting America as the great product maker. I'm talking about cue makers in the US. Where do I say buy all American? You are reading way too much into this. Heck, you are talking to a guy with a Mercedes and Lexus, not exactly American made.
And I'm starting to seriously doubt the quality of Mercedes !! Live and learn.

Never once did I say the custom cues will play better. Just the fact is your are getting better wood and craftmanship. Better aged wood. DO you think the Chinese companies are properly aging their cues and making numerous cuts on the shafts? Really, that takes time and money, neither is cost effective for the Chinese. What is the argument there. You are going to tell me there is a cue company in China the makes cues better than Joel Hercek or some of the other great ones?

My wifes company makes all their products in a Chinese factory and they continue to try and make it cheaper than desigend to make more profit to the point they now have an american company rep transferred to China to be on site to ensure the products are made exactly to the company specs without the cheaper components being "substituted" so the factory can make more profit.

Again, the original post is why is Lucasi considered junk. I'm giving my answer to the question. Yeah, you are a gunsmith that works with wood and you do it with perfection? That is great? If you don't live in China what is the problem. Maybe you can teach them how to work with wood.

Yes, cues are decorative lumps of wood that some are better built than others, so why not buy the ones that are better built and will increase in value? Or at the very least not plummet like the stock market.

Why does that statement bother anyone. Why buy a Lucasi that will be worth a fraction of what you paid in 5 years? If that is what you want to do, god bless. Most likely why Kia (South Korea) and other bad car companies (even some american companies) get sales from folks when those vehicles are rated so lowly by various consumer reports.

Again, lets google Chinese quality and read about the dangers to children from lead in toys, to poison in dog food, to contaminated drywall that was put into US homes??? the list goes on. But heck, they are quality all the way. You WIN. Keep buying Chinese garbage all you want! I'm trying to say there are so many better options in cues that these Cheap Chinese cues. They really seem popluar for "newbies" but they usually graduate to something else later. Just like my many bad purchases for all kinds of products over the last few decades, I wish I had a little more info before I made a few of those purchases.....anyone want to buy my pocket fisherman from 1980??
 
Mindless??? I think you need to lay off. The truth is, its more expensive to manufacture in America because of our laws that are in place to protect workers, and the environment. So instead of doing it the right way, its easier for companies to make their stuff in china where they can pollute as much air and water as they want. And before you go bashing Uncle Sam, and talking about how "China doesnt need him", well you better check your facts friend, the US is the largest importer of Chinese made goods, and when our economy tanked, guess what happened in china? People got laid off, just like here in the states. As far as wood in guns, are you really telling me that good seasoned aged walnut is no better than fresh cut? So the wood in my ruger 10/22 is just as good as the wood in my $2000 Beretta O/U? Hmmmm........I must disagree.


Joe

Well said Sniper !!

And with a name like Sniper and using a $2K Berretta, I thinks me and my Glock will go hide in a corner. I don't want to get in a shooting contest with you !! I can hit the broad side of a barn if I stand close enough !!
 
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""In fact most of the good products you own and enjoy come from China. If you think you can buy all american these days, you're dreaming.""

WRONG... Most of the products that I enjoy come from USA, Canada, Japan, Germany, Switzerland and a few other countries. Very little I buy comes from China. The only exception is my Sony TV and stereo which is Japanese but manufactured in a Chinese factory but Sony owns and operates the factory and thus has total control over the quality.

Again, go ahead and enjoy the Chinese products. I'll send you some of those marshmellow peeps for Christmas.. yes, they are made in China and I'm afraid to even think what they are made out of ??
 
why support chinese workers in the first place? They, or something down there, has had something to do with the various low quality products you can buy at walmart.

Now the problems with predator shafts..
 
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Again, go ahead and enjoy the Chinese products. I'll send you some of those marshmellow peeps for Christmas.. yes, they are made in China and I'm afraid to even think what they are made out of ??

Marshmallow Peeps are made in the USA sir

Matter of fact they are made along with other just borne products in Bethlahem PA....get your facts straight before you post brother

Peep peep,
Grey Ghost
 
As the owner of a Lucasi cue let me share my take on this.
I bought my cue from a local billiards store that agreed to give me internet pricing which is 20 % off retail.
I tried out a Viking, Mcdermott, Joss (which had a shaft that was out of round)and a Lucasi. All were about the same price. They all seemed to hit about the same. I bought the Lucasi simply on looks alone.
I paid
$250 for it and i don't care if it is worth 10 bucks now. I just wanted a decent cue to play with.
Now as i see it other then the Chinese factory that made making money making the cue so did the American distributer,transport company that delivered it to the store and the store owner.
Also i have heard the the cuemaker that makes JossWest cues (?) went to this factory and taught them some American cue making secrets for Jim Lucas the owner of the Lucasi brand.
I have had a lot of cues in the past 50 years and while this one is not the best one i have had it certainly is not the worst.
I have had the cue for about 6 months now and it is still straight and the finish is holding up fine. Now with that said i take very good care of it.I don't leave it in the trunk and i wipe it down after each use and polish it with car wax once in awhile.I treat it as if it was a very expensive cue.
Also i agree with some of the posters that if you spend upwards of say $300 for a Lucasi you are getting more bling then quaility. The cheap ones will play the same as the more expensive ones. But then again if you want a cue with a lot of eye candy you can get it with a Lucasi that costs close to what a plain jane custom will cost. And i do agree that a plain jane custom for $400 is a better investment and better quality cue.
Thats why i did not spend a lot for my Lucasi. Had i been able to step up to $400 or more i would have gone in a differant direction.
 
I'm a firm believer in getting a custom over a production cue. Now I know that there are several arguments being that there are some really good production cues (predator, schon, mcdermott, etc.). IMO, nothing duplicates the feeling of a custom, but that's just me. For the price of $400 I would've gotten a sneaky pete, or plain jane custom made for me that would be a great hitting cue, made in good quality, and will last you for years of enjoyment. Not to mention the whole get a custom made now, because it will be worth much more later theory. When you get down to it, it's up to you and what you're happy with. It's your money buddy. Just my thoughts.
 
if more green horn players knew about all the custom makers then they would opt for that I'm sure, most have no idea whats out there besides meucci, viking, mcdermott, and predator....much less Schons...the only custom everyone knows is Balabuska and then I know tons of players that don't even know what that is either.
 
I was playing for 10 years before I knew what a custom was...

Most players only know what cues are out there by other players in the room.
 
The problem I and I think a lot of others have is that Lucasi is in the same price range as Joss, which is made in America and has a hell of a reputation.

Ehh, I was the first to take a huge order of Joss out of the plastic packaging. About 6 or so Joss, straight from the factory. Well.... I apologize that is not quite true, not one of them was in fact straight. It was bloody pitiful, and one of those Joss was a special order by a customer of the Color of Money style and was if I remember correctly about $800.

These were not small rolls either, you rolled these things and the tip would go about half a centimeter off the table at the high point. I rolled the butts and shafts seperate and amazingly enough both sucked.

Now this was a long time ago 10 years or so, perhaps quality control has ramped up since then but at that time in history Joss were bloody pitiful.

To add some irony I actually shot with a Joss at the time, a phenomenal cue but it was a Joss Hustler which is quite a unique model for Joss without the stainless steel joint, no wrap, and what looks like ash points inlaid into a maple forearm.
 
Peeps !!

Marshmallow Peeps are made in the USA sir

Matter of fact they are made along with other just borne products in Bethlahem PA....get your facts straight before you post brother

Peep peep,
Grey Ghost

OK, you are correct sir.. I used the term loosely, kind of calling a tissue a Kleenex. The wife bought some "knockoffs" that she thought were peeps, but were actually made in China. What are the odds of buying the wrong candy and getting some Chinese knockoff. They look just like peeps but upon closer inspection they are not little chicks, not sure exactly what they were suppose to be. The wife is not a very good label reader.
Also, it is the Just Born company, not borne because I know you like to factual Ghost !! take care
 
OK, you are correct sir.. I used the term loosely, kind of calling a tissue a Kleenex. The wife bought some "knockoffs" that she thought were peeps, but were actually made in China. What are the odds of buying the wrong candy and getting some Chinese knockoff. They look just like peeps but upon closer inspection they are not little chicks, not sure exactly what they were suppose to be. The wife is not a very good label reader.
Also, it is the Just Born company, not borne because I know you like to factual Ghost !! take care

ok ok so i can't spell I'm cajun don't I get a pass lol
 
I was playing for 10 years before I knew what a custom was...

Most players only know what cues are out there by other players in the room.

Very good point. Growing up in a pool room (fathers) and and meeting some of the top cue makers in the Chicago area you don't appreciate that others were not in that environment and are learing on the fly. Another good reason for AZ and for folks to throw a little bit of wisdom (please noted I said a little bit) because I know a lot of things about a few things, but I know very little about a lot of things.

And now that you mention it I played with a guy a few years back on league and he was a strong player who shot with a Viking. A good production cue and a nice looking cue. But at the time he thought it was the top of the line cue in existence. He didn't know about custom cues or how many different brands of other good production cues were out there. He kept his Viking though, and why not. He shot fantastic and the cue was straight. Nobody really needs a new cue, we just want a new cue !!
 
Peep Peep

ok ok so i can't spell I'm cajun don't I get a pass lol

Yeah, you get a pass !! I worked with a guy from Louisianna (sp?) once and only understood about every fifth word that came out of his mouth. Now my dad is from Virginia so I know a little about southern accents, at least I did till I spoke with this guy. So as long as you only misspell every fifth word, you should be OK... take care.
 
lol, when I first moved to tulsa the waitress at the Billiards Palace asked me what I wanted to drink and I said WATA....she had to ask me 4 times untill i finally said "look sweetie let me just get a glass of H2O" lmao


happy holidays,
Grey Ghost
 
lol, when I first moved to tulsa the waitress at the Billiards Palace asked me what I wanted to drink and I said WATA....she had to ask me 4 times untill i finally said "look sweetie let me just get a glass of H2O" lmao


happy holidays,
Grey Ghost

That is funny ghost !!! My sister lives just outside of Tulsa in Skiatook.
Which is an Native American name for "sky took" because I guess this is tornando alley. My sister got hit twice in 15 years, so they must of known what the heck they were talking about !!!
 
Marshmallow Peeps are made in the USA sir ...
Grey Ghost

Thanks for clarifying that on the peeps.

unfortunatley can't say the same for Bwick -
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