man witnessed sad action last night - 2 idiots in a pool room

Speak only when spoken to - that is the lesson of the day for the op
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lol get the hell outta here

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The only lesson I learned today is to not share any more stories on a forum. It's always either "you're wrong" or "your story is bs". Never "Thanks for sharing buddy".

Again, it was not an intense/serious environment. The only one who was hyper focused was guy B ( the one taking the beating ). Nobody talked to him. Guy A looked like he was bored out of his mind, he was chatting with regulars between shots away from the table and was totally approachable. Me saying hello and asking to get in was not a big deal. Also the owner was there and he ok'd our race with a nod.

I have a big mouth but only once it has almost gotten me in big trouble. A year ago I racked the balls on a valley seven footer ( at a super divey bar I used to frequent ) and left the table to sing karaoke. When I got back a man who looked like a gang banger was about to break my rack. I stopped him. Five of his buddies came over. I was respectful but stood my ground and was like I'll let you play but you owe me a buck, or wait your turn. Long story short they ****ed with me for a bit then gave me the table back. They didn't touch me. Then stood around the table and watched me shoot. I thought there was a tiny chance they were gonna jump me outside, it was hard to tell. I didn't shoot well but they were really impressed with my pool game - enough to leave me alone. When they left locals told me they were actual gangsters from a known local gang and I could have easily gotten shot for a buck. I had no idea, I thought they just dressed like thugs. Lesson learned. Someone on here: "this story is BS too" in 3, 2, 1..
 
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Mustardeer said:
lol get the hell outta here

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The only lesson I learned today is to not share any more stories on a forum. It's always either "you're wrong" or "your story is bs". Never "Thanks for sharing buddy".

Again, it was not an intense/serious environment. The only one who was hyper focused was guy B ( the one taking the beating ). Nobody talked to him. Guy A looked like he was bored out of his mind, he was chatting with regulars between shots away from the table and was totally approachable. Me saying hello and asking to get in was not a big deal. Also the owner was there and he ok'd our race with a nod.

I have a big mouth but only once it has almost gotten me in big trouble. A year ago I racked the balls on a valley seven footer ( at a super divey bar I used to frequent ) and left the table to sing karaoke. When I got back a man who looked like a gang banger was about to break my rack. I stopped him. Five of his buddies came over. I was respectful but stood my ground and was like I'll let you play but you owe me a buck, or wait your turn. Long story short they ****ed with me for a bit then gave me the table back. They didn't touch me. Then stood around the table and watched me shoot. I thought there was a tiny chance they were gonna jump me outside, it was hard to tell. I didn't shoot well but they were really impressed with my pool game - enough to leave me alone. When they left locals told me they were actual gangsters from a known local gang and I could have easily gotten shot for a buck. I had no idea, I thought they just dressed like thugs. Lesson learned. Someone on here: "this story is BS too" in 3, 2, 1..
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In my world, you'd have lost the table and your dollar for choosing to go sing karaoke instead of staying at the pool table....people like you have no respect for others wanting to play pool while you're off playing games!!!
 
I'm as empathetic and compassionate a person as you will probably meet, you had zero reason to get involved. Nobody was stealing from a blind man. You didn't and probably couldn't have stopped the bleeding, nor should you have. You made it worse. Player b now has seen player a lose, that shows him it can be done and it drives his ego more. None wants to lose to a loser, especially after watching a hundred of his money walk out the door Good job!

I think you'd make a pretty good "hustler". No fear of what you should fear and the ability to smell the blood in the water. You weren't really trying to save anyone, you just wanted some ooh the action. If player b was really bring robbed, you were involved, you left with his money. Think about that.
 
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realkingcobra said:
In my world, you'd have lost the table and your dollar for choosing to go sing karaoke instead of staying at the pool table....people like you have no respect for others wanting to play pool while you're off playing games!!!
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Racked the balls then left to sing karaoke,dang it boy,you're for real aren't you?
 
Mustardeer said:
Nobody is breaking my nose. I'm not gonna get into it but trust me on that.

Guy A was a good loser. Tried to befriend me after. There was no problem. It was awkward for a sec when he realized that he shouldn't have given me games on the wire but he paid me right away. There was no problem. He asked about my break technique later.

It wasn't cool of me dumping thanks for pointing it out. Good reminder. I've been hanging out with this drunk / pro hustler for a few weeks and it rubbed off. Not gonna hang out with him anymore ( he makes over 5K / month just hustling, nothing wrong with that but not my thing. I still don't know his actual speed but I'm sure he'd lose to any pro. Very strong player though. This guy got rid of his predator Z logo on his sneaky pete shaft. No idea how he did it but his custom looks like a $5 dollar cue. I'm guessing he painted over it )...

There were about 20 kids ( thuggish looking ones ) playing for big money that night two tables down. They didn't know how to play. I pointed out all the cash on that table to guy A after taking his money he was like "nah, they are too loud". So everyone in that room was a regular I think.

Guy A has deep pockets that hundred was nothing to him you could tell. If I really wanted to hustle him I'd take him for a lot more, I could have kept it close, I didn't have to show my speed but I did bc I wasn't trying to hustle was just trying to stop the bleeding. I lost a tournament that night so showed up to a random dirty, sort of hidden pool hall trying to practice the shot I missed. ( I don't have a table ). Was expecting an empty room...

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I don't mind taking a little from a winner. Taking money from someone who is losing big is different. ( Maybe that was his rent money? Who knows ).

Also not claiming to be right, I'm no angel. I've never really hustled before and was just shocked at how fast guy A gave me games on the wire ( I rolled in with a 2x4 case! ). There's no way I'm giving a stranger games on the wire that easily. I thought that was idiotic. Also thought it was idiotic for guy B to donate so much cash in one night.

Anyway, was totally not expecting people to read my original post, was just sharing a story; next time that is going into my journal you guys are tough crowd :)
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So basically, on your own description, you have no ethics, character or honesty. Yet you manage to rationalize things to yourself so you always come out the good guy.

There was an old saying: You Cant Touch Pitch Without Becoming Defiled. And you roll in pitch. Frankly your attitude epitomizes everything about why pool sucks and will never go mainstream.

But it is nice that you discriminate among those you steal from.
 
Mustardeer said:
lol get the hell outta here

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The only lesson I learned today is to not share any more stories on a forum. It's always either "you're wrong" or "your story is bs". Never "Thanks for sharing buddy".
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Don't tell stories that portray yourself as a cheater, a thief, and a buttinski and you will probably get a better reaction. This wound was entirely self-inflicted, starting with the events of the story.
 
Player B probably read on AZ Billiards that you have to gamble to get better.
 
The OP, Mustardeer, stuck his nose into someone's action.....
...and managed to make a game for himself....with a big edge.

I wonder how he would feel if someone stuck their nose in THAT game.....
 
Well I think I can understand why OP did what he did but if player B was my friend and I would have arrived at the pool hall before they matched up, I would have told him he was out of his league otherwise its none of my business. Player B is old enough to know what to do with his money.

But you know what, I'll be the bad guy this time around and dare to say that Player A should only match up with players of his caliber in the first place....but a pool player will play his blind uncle for a tenner if he could.
 
We are all trying to help you out mustardeer, because it seems you need it. I'm not sure you really understand how this situation could have played out. I know you say nobody is going to break your nose, and I'll give you the benefit, but several people can break more than your nose. You were in a bar in a big city where you were the only unknown person, there was no one to have your back. You said the owner or manager okayed the game you got, that means he has money involved. So you are not only knocking player a's action, you were knocking his as well. If player b left you may have found yourself in a world of s**t. Not only did you hustle a hundred on knowingly false pretenses, you would have taken possibly several hundred more out of their pockets. In a big city, late at night bad people do very bad things for that type of money. I know you think everything was cool, but it was pretty close to not cool at all.
 
erhino41 said:
We are all trying to help you out mustardeer, because it seems you need it. I'm not sure you really understand how this situation could have played out. I know you say nobody is going to break your nose, and I'll give you the benefit, but several people can break more than your nose. You were in a bar in a big city where you were the only unknown person, there was no one to have your back. You said the owner or manager okayed the game you got, that means he has money involved. So you are not only knocking player a's action, you were knocking his as well. If player b left you may have found yourself in a world of s**t. Not only did you hustle a hundred on knowingly false pretenses, you would have taken possibly several hundred more out of their pockets. In a big city, late at night bad people do very bad things for that type of money. I know you think everything was cool, but it was pretty close to not cool at all.
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Lol. He also said the owner/counter man nodded that the game was ok.....WTF? How many movies have you watched? I have NEVER ONCE asked or got a "nod" that a game was ok and have never heard of such bs
Jason
 
When I first witnessed a regular fleecing like this, where the manager of the room would play a young guy regularly and stall just enough to keep winning, I felt a little sorry for the kid.

But then the manager was playing an older guy 1-pocket, regularly a few times a week and kept beating him, I asked the manager when he was alone why the guy kept playing. Then he told me that he offered the guy a spot, but because the guy thought he was a 1-pocket expert or something, he swore at him and felt insulted that he would even offer him a spot. So they kept playing even.

That is when realized that what may look like a really sad situation, may actually be the other players fault all along. Plus, some guys somehow feel good donating to a great player, they just like being able to say that they played "such-and-such" for money. So basically, I just keep my nose out of other people's games.
 
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Lol. He also said the owner/counter man nodded that the game was ok.....WTF? How many movies have you watched? I have NEVER ONCE asked or got a "nod" that a game was ok and have never heard of such bs
Jason
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I was offering advice on the off chance the story is true, if so the op needs to get a clue fast.

There is alot to question though.
 
Lol. He also said the owner/counter man nodded that the game was ok.....WTF?
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I didn't ask for no permission. Guy A was asking the owner something, I'm guessing permission to play me or maybe to pause guy B's table time. Owner ok'd it with a nod. No idea what movie you're talking about.


Racked the balls then left to sing karaoke,dang it boy,you're for real aren't you?
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I played all over back then to get better - anybody on any table. House rules at this dive were if your song was up you left your table ( in the middle of the shot ), opponent went outside to smoke or grabbed a drink - I was not breaking house rules. That night though was super slow so it was especially okay for me to do a song between games. The thugs probably rolled in during my song - it was a really slow night.
 
KissedOut said:
Don't tell stories that portray yourself as a cheater, a thief, and a buttinski and you will probably get a better reaction. This wound was entirely self-inflicted, starting with the events of the story.
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I get the "buttinski" comment, but the general tenor of the comments against the OP suggest that many don't see any problem with lying and cheating (in the sense used to describe what the OP said he did) as long as it is in a gambling situation. In other words, he "hustled" - and that's considered okay and his action should not be knocked.
 
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