jay helfert said:
Hi Jay,
Thanks for responding. I have heard both sides of this argument and understand that things got heated on both sides. What I know from my personal experience is that you are a good guy (and you sleepwalk!
) but the fact remains that threats were made. You admit you pack heat. (I always wanted to say that! 
) Even if the threats were made in the heat of battle, the threatened parties don't know that you wouldn't make good on them, thus the banning.If you are inferring that my integrity is up for sale, then you are sadly mistaken. I heard both sides, while AZB has only heard one.
Maybe in time, both parties will cool down and you folks can kiss and make up.
You have done so much in the world of pool and I hold KT and Deno in no more of a light. I did not venerate you as the Messiah and neither will I hold the IPT founders as such.It saddens me that 2 prominent people/organizations are at loggerheads with each other and hope for peace eventually.
poolman123
Registered
Mark trainer is a good man, he cares about all the players he's signed and hes helping them out.. each player gets a different contract and who is to know what their negotiations are, yet all i know that he has given many an opportunity that they couldnt have... he has signed players such as manolo, basavich, ginky, orcollo and many others.. and they are all very happy with what he has to offer...
T
Timberly
Guest
I find it hard to believe that the players mentioned above couldn't have found a backer to help defray travel expenses when need be for a much lesser cost to the player.poolman123 said:
I personally wouldn't resign myself to be so happy so early. He's taking a large chunk of their money and until he comes knocking on their door with endorsements that'll help the player recoup the money they're giving him for getting them endorsements, I wouldn't be singing his praises so soon.
Maybe the guy is on the up & up but he's come out of the gate asking for a lot of money from the players and no track record for getting pool players endorsements. Had he started out smaller and proven himself, I might not be so leery of his intentions to date. So far he's gone after some heavy hitters that should make it past the 1st round for sure... when he's getting a large percentage of the players winnings, one has to wonder.
I sincerely hope it works in the favor of the players and they're able to get endorsements out of this. It would be really sad for them to finally get a chance to make good money only to have someone show up with a contract & big promises swindle them out of a large percentage of their money.
Pool_Is_Kool
Registered
I was at the IPT event when I heard from a very reliable source that Orcollo was mislead by his interpreter. Supposedly, his interpreter told him that the money that Orcollo was to receive monthly was a salary.
I don't know if his interpreter misunderstood what Mark Trainer was offering but I do know that when Orcollo found out that he had to pay the money back, he was fuming and disgusted.
I don't know if his interpreter misunderstood what Mark Trainer was offering but I do know that when Orcollo found out that he had to pay the money back, he was fuming and disgusted.
Pool_Is_Kool said:
Yes, I heard from a Filipino that was there that both Orcullo and Manalo promised 40% to Mark.
Hopefully, things will work out and Mark can get clout as a block of players to be able to market for huge endorsements. I just got a little wary of his offer when he wouldn't take Angel.
Antonio Lining felt misled. Antonio did not understand he would have to give up 40%. The language barrier came into play. Antonio did not sign he wants an attorney to look over the contract. Of course once Antonio explained that, he was not as actively pursued. go figure
Gabber said:Lets say Kieth is drawn in a pool with 5 other players who are under contract with MT. Would they conspire against him to make more money?
What would the situation be if MT had 80 IPT players under contract?
Any idea why KT allows this guy Mark? to walk aroud offering his IPT players contracts? Right under his nose at HIS tournament?
The guy is doing buisness on his turf and he does nothing!! That doesn't sound like KT to me.
[ Even Jay got thrown out!
]
If you have 50 IPT players under contract [ out of 150 players] and you are playing in a round-robin format, doesn't this dramatically increase the possibility of manipulation of the whole tourny?
I think its a valid question.
Gabber
Why wouldn't he, they were on the road together many years ago.
T
Timberly
Guest
From what I understand, a lot of players were given 30 days to back out. Someone close to Orcollo should tell him to look into this....Pool_Is_Kool said:
Timberly said:
I understood that Mark gets 30 days to drop a player, but the player has to give 90 days notice.
NYC cue dude
Banned
Just to set the record straight. KT knows about mark trainer.
It's a long story, but Johnny archer and I were discussing MT at the world straight pool championships. Johnny told me about the deal he was offered and what i thought about it. At that time, late may, only very few players were signed. I think max was one of the first. I figured out the financial "breakline" for a tourney average over the course of a year. If a player would expect to make 15K or less per tournament, based on 11 tourneys a year it would be worth it. You must figure on 3 or 4k per month and 3k per tourney in expenses that come off the top.
I told Johnny that he should average atleast 25k per event (conservative, I know, he could snap on off) and then the balance swings terribly in favor of MT. He then told me Sigel signed and the bells went off in my head.
I told Johnny that I wouldn't be surprised if kt and sigel were involved in a pyramid scheme.
So guess what.
The next day KT shows up in jersey at the event. And i ask him if he knows anything about it. Asks me what I have heard. I tell him what i have written here (with much more detail). You know what he says.......
No he has never heard of it, but it sounds like a GREAT opportunity for the players. F@cking unbelievable.
So to answer someones previous question, does kt know about this, YES!!!!
You can also be sure he knew what was happening in his own event. Whether he is involved or not, i don't know, but with the way people talk, he knew he was there.
rg
It's a long story, but Johnny archer and I were discussing MT at the world straight pool championships. Johnny told me about the deal he was offered and what i thought about it. At that time, late may, only very few players were signed. I think max was one of the first. I figured out the financial "breakline" for a tourney average over the course of a year. If a player would expect to make 15K or less per tournament, based on 11 tourneys a year it would be worth it. You must figure on 3 or 4k per month and 3k per tourney in expenses that come off the top.
I told Johnny that he should average atleast 25k per event (conservative, I know, he could snap on off) and then the balance swings terribly in favor of MT. He then told me Sigel signed and the bells went off in my head.
I told Johnny that I wouldn't be surprised if kt and sigel were involved in a pyramid scheme.
So guess what.
The next day KT shows up in jersey at the event. And i ask him if he knows anything about it. Asks me what I have heard. I tell him what i have written here (with much more detail). You know what he says.......
No he has never heard of it, but it sounds like a GREAT opportunity for the players. F@cking unbelievable.
So to answer someones previous question, does kt know about this, YES!!!!
You can also be sure he knew what was happening in his own event. Whether he is involved or not, i don't know, but with the way people talk, he knew he was there.
rg
NYC cue dude said:
Thanks for the info. I too, wondered why Sigel would sign if he was set for life given the amount he has already won for the LJJ match and the KOH. However, if he doesn't get to play players like me, plus missed calls that go his way, he may have trouble getting 25K per event. He missed the last one by $20k.
Just kidding, I know he has the potential to play really well.
NYC cue dude
Banned
Oh, i forgot, there is also ANOTHER guy named "marty" doing the same thing, approaching players and offering similar contracts. He approached one player (who shall remain nameless) and offered 10k per month! The deal, however generous to some, again, I analyzed as a bad deal.
Just wanted to throw that out there, too.
Just wanted to throw that out there, too.
Ralf Souquet signed with Mark Trainer and will be an asset to the block of players as a whole. Ralf is definitely a smart cookie and most likely perused the legally binding contract in its entirety before signing the dotted line.
One agency Mark Trainer is working with is called Athletes First. They have signed up professional baseball, football, basketball, and "juggernaut" (?) professionals.
[What's a juggernaut?]
Here is the website: http://www.athletesfirst.net
They have a very impressive list of sports professionals on their roster.
JAM
One agency Mark Trainer is working with is called Athletes First. They have signed up professional baseball, football, basketball, and "juggernaut" (?) professionals.
[What's a juggernaut?]
Here is the website: http://www.athletesfirst.net
They have a very impressive list of sports professionals on their roster.
JAM
I don't see his Mark Trainer's name as part fo the staff. However doing some more searches the owner of the company seems to be the following Dave Dunn, Joby Branion, and Brian Murphy.
BTW, is this the same Mark Trainer in this event;
http://www.internationalpooltour.co...s/NA_open_06/Online_coverage/NA06/default.asp
BTW, is this the same Mark Trainer in this event;
http://www.internationalpooltour.co...s/NA_open_06/Online_coverage/NA06/default.asp
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crosseyedjoe said:
I am confused, what staff of what company? The IPT, Athletes First, or the Venetian? If you are thinking Athletes First, he does not actually have any affiliation with them yet, (other than maybe some contacts) but is hoping to have enough clout to be considered by them by bringing in a stable full of pool players. In bringing in large blocks of players to Athletes First, he is thinking that it will be easier to have them market the athletes. He would be the manager, and they would be the agents...or is it vice versa? Mark explained it to me once.
Yes, it is the same Mark Trainer and he plays very well.