Matlock is tired of all of the lies..

[bud green]

Efren and David playing an all round with a bar table game and a three cushion set would be fantastic. A lot of people want to call Efren a 3-C would-be champ but I've heard Matlock is excellent at the game and it sounds like an interesting match-up.

The third game I can't suggest but as long as they play bar pool and billiards, I'd pay to watch it and buy the dvds.

Both guys are legends and respected for having certain skills that separate them from the rest of the run-out-every-time nine ball pros.

 

[Roadkill]

I don't think it's ridiculous. I think it's an opinion that might or might not be accurate.

~rc

Considering that kicking is considered one of the strongest aspects of Reyes game (the greatest player that has ever lived), I think it's safe to say that no one alive or dead knows more about kicking that Efren.

 

[Fatboy]

I believe that Buddy,David ,and Keith were the three best on a bar box. Buddy was the methodical player with a great cue ball and a lot of heart,David was a beautifull player to watch,with a big break,a lot of heart ,and he also had a great cue ball.Keith was the best shotmaker of the three,he also had tons of heart,but had the weakest cue ball of the three. But playing on a bar box he never missed,and he probably was the most intimidating of the bunch.On second thought they all were intimidating in their own way,so intimidating that everyone left them alone. So who was the best? We'll never know.But in their hearts they all think they were the best. If they played today I would bet my dough on Matlock,simply because he has the biggest break.So lets stir it up for the sake of action and to watch it one more time.

I agree 1000%, Matlock because of his break. Thats getting your $$$ in best. Cardone has this one right for sure. hope your good happy 4th.

 

[cuetechasaurus]

Efren would HATE it. As Grady Matthews and PLENTY of others have stated Efren won't stand still for a beating. Matlock knows as much or more about kicking balls as Efren does.

Make it a Bartable Big Ball game and I will GO BROKE - all .37cts of my bankroll - betting on David to take the cheese.

I don't know how well you really know David Matlock but he is one of the best players to ever pick up a cue stick as well as being one of the nicest people on Earth.

The thing about matching up for the dough is that it IS a battle between two warriors who MUST come with the physical skills and the mental skills and the stamina to come out on top.

Tournaments are a different animal. Both prove different things about a player's capabilities and both are tough.

When people like Matlock, Buddy Hall, Sigel, Keither, and Jimmy Reid among others matched up with each other then it was a gunfight. They had to outgun the other player, no laying down, no hustling, pure shooting at the highest of their ability.

What was done with the money or whether they blew it at the track or whatever does not matter. The only thing that matters is when they teed off then it was pure grade A top shelf pool for as long as it took for one of them to come out on top. And unlike today the gunslingers of old would go all-in until someone was busted and had to give up.

That is the pool we respect when we talk about the famous matchups of years past.

Yeah. Efren wont stand still for a beating. Just like when Earl was leading by 17 games in a race to 120 on the final day of TCOM, for $100,000. And if you think Matlock or any pool player can kick as well or better than Efren, you are out of your mind. He is light years ahead of any pool player.

 

[Celtic]

Let me put a call into Jason Kirkwood. You can back Warren and I'll back Jason. Okay?

Umm, I want a piece of Jason on this one Jay. That guy leaves me in awe every time I watch him play on a box.

 

[sixpack]

Considering that kicking is considered one of the strongest aspects of Reyes game (the greatest player that has ever lived), I think it's safe to say that no one alive or dead knows more about kicking that Efren.

I don't think it's safe to say and here's why:

Efren is the best player that ever lived - I agree but that point is debatable.

You don't kick as good as either one of them does. So you don't really know what makes them kick as good as they do. Efren has had more tv time and more high-profile matches and has some of his 'magic' immortalized by video. His reputation for kicking is deservedly great.

If I was betting I would bet that Efren kicks better than Matlock. It's not a foregone conclusion and it's not ridiculous.

IMO, LOL, J/K, FWIW, AFAIK, etc...

~rc

 

[bignasty]

cmon jay

Let me put a call into Jason Kirkwood. You can back Warren and I'll back Jason. Okay?

cmon jay jcin and myself need a day off!!! kirkwood vs warren....screw that overtime baby! we are all ears and waiting for the phone to ring!

 

[Fatboy]

cmon jay jcin and myself need a day off!!! kirkwood vs warren....screw that overtime baby! we are all ears and waiting for the phone to ring!

i'm working out the details i will call you later when i have something, i have4 been on the phone doing other stuff today.

 

[clint3612]

Yeah. Efren wont stand still for a beating. Just like when Earl was leading by 17 games in a race to 120 on the final day of TCOM, for $100,000. And if you think Matlock or any pool player can kick as well or better than Efren, you are out of your mind. He is light years ahead of any pool player.

You sir, are an idiot. I assure you, Efren is not light years ahead of David when it comes to kicking. Is Efren the overall better player? Based on money matches and tournament finishes, yes, Efren is the better player. However, in regards to their kicking prowess, theres now way Efren shines any brighter than David. You have to see David play to know these things. If you are soooo confident, give David a few points in 3cushion playing efren and see where you come out.

 

[clint3612]

Considering that kicking is considered one of the strongest aspects of Reyes game (the greatest player that has ever lived), I think it's safe to say that no one alive or dead knows more about kicking that Efren.

Again, just watch David play for awhile and you'll change your mind. I'm sure David's knowledge rivals Efren's in regards to kicking. I'm not saying he's better but he's up there.

 

[clint3612]

Efren and David playing an all round with a bar table game and a three cushion set would be fantastic. A lot of people want to call Efren a 3-C would-be champ but I've heard Matlock is excellent at the game and it sounds like an interesting match-up.

The third game I can't suggest but as long as they play bar pool and billiards, I'd pay to watch it and buy the dvds.

Both guys are legends and respected for having certain skills that separate them from the rest of the run-out-every-time nine ball pros.

3cushion is David's favorite game. He thinks it's the original and the purest form of billiards around. I would love to watch him in a all-around.

 

[clint3612]

One thing though, Buddy never beat David for the cash! Another thing most people don't know, is that David beat Buddy before on the bar table and later down the road beat him 2 sets: one of the bar table and one on the big track!

Starting back in the 70's we started seeing many bar table events all over the Midwest and the South. They just became quite popular back then, and have continued to this day. A typical bar table tourney in the 70's and 80's had a 64 player field and maybe $1,100 in added money. Say 64 players at $100 each and $1,100 added for a $7,500 purse. Or a $75 entry and $1,200 added for a $6,000 purse. Many of them had a little bigger entry fee, say $125 and $2,000 added for a $10,000 purse.

First prize in these events might be anywhere from $1,000 to $2,500. A player like Buddy Hall could play in events like these almost every weekend across the South and the Midwest. And that's exactly what Buddy did for many years. He knows the highways of this country (particularly East of the Mississippi) better than anyone. And Buddy just kept winning them, one after another. He had to beat good players too.

But around Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Kansas and Iowa, David Matlock won his share. Often he had to beat Buddy in the finals. Once in a while, Keith would stick his nose in there and take off a couple of these tourneys as well. One thing for sure, if Buddy, David or Keith was entered, they were the guys you had to beat to win. And it rarely happened if even two of these three were entered. Buddy may have won well over 100 of these type tourneys in his career.

 

[ribdoner]

Playing bar box 9B, with any cue ball, I like D over E.

I like him MORE with the big, heavy thing.

 

[JB Cases]

Matlock is a GREAT player but saying he knows more about kicking that Reyes is ridiculous. IMO.

Have you ever spent any time with David Matlock? If you did then you would know that he not only knows just about every system that exists he also can execute them with precision.

It's time we got over the idea that only Efren Reyes can kick a ball. Most people don't hear about Matlock's kicking game because he is not as high profile as Efren.

I respect Efren as highly as anyone with the exception of not thinking that he is the only player who can play.

 

[JB Cases]

Yeah. Efren wont stand still for a beating. Just like when Earl was leading by 17 games in a race to 120 on the final day of TCOM, for $100,000. And if you think Matlock or any pool player can kick as well or better than Efren, you are out of your mind. He is light years ahead of any pool player.

Um, they were locked in a race. I guess I am out of my mind then. May I ask how much time you have spent around either player?

I ask that because I have spent time with both of them. I went cross country with Dave one year.

I guess you know about the part where Efren credits his kicking prowess to his 3 cushion experience? Well guess what, David Matlock has a ton of 3 cushion experience as well. Imagine that.

And any top 3 cushion player probably spots both of them in the kicking game.

So yes, David Matlock knows as much or more than Efren about kicking. I wouldn't be so quick to bet your house against David in that game if I were you.

 

[JB Cases]

Considering that kicking is considered one of the strongest aspects of Reyes game (the greatest player that has ever lived), I think it's safe to say that no one alive or dead knows more about kicking that Efren.

Every top 3 cushion player knows more about kicking than Efren Reyes does.

Go play a top 3 cushion player some 9-ball if you don't believe me. You cannot hook them. I have played league with Torbjorn Blohmdahl and other top European 3 cushion players. They kick one, two, three, four, and five railers with such accuracy that it's demoralizing and fascinating at the same time.

They don't just hit the ball, they hit it exactly where they want to hit it, with the right speed to get exactly the result they want to.

Just because one player is famous for his kicking prowess doesn't mean that there isn't another player who is equally as good but far lesser known.

Matlock happens to be this player. If you don't believe it then set up a kicking contest between him and Efren and bet your dough. I will take Matlock for a $1000, even though it might be an even contest. If you think Efren is so much better then I will take a five shot spot on 20 shots for $10,000.

 

[Nostroke]

Ill still take Efren in this kicking game that wont happen.

 

[ironman]

i first saw canello in san antonio in the late 60's he weighted about 125lbs . in the middle 70's he came to houston and beat most everyone he played, gave danny jones the 8 he weighed in at 165. of course he ducked the really heavyweight players.then again in the early 80's played in a ring game with st.louie louie,ronnie allen,jimmy mataya,fly boy, duke dowell. they played a couple of days. canello and duke won the money.last time i saw him he weighted about 220 and his pool had slipped

Canello was before my time as I didn't move to Texas until 99.

In my younger days we avoided San Antonio like the plague. You could beat the players, but, you couldn't beat the rail

Duke was quite a player in those days from Houston. He tells some pretty good stories aout Canello and respected his game.

 

[JAM]

...(Sorry JAM, hope it is ok to say that I have a friend of a great player like David).

I'm not sure why you would write this to me.

Suffice it to say, though, I hope that it is okay to say that I have a friend of a great player like Efren.

JAM

 

[ironman]

Have you ever spent any time with David Matlock? If you did then you would know that he not only knows just about every system that exists he also can execute them with precision.

It's time we got over the idea that only Efren Reyes can kick a ball. Most people don't hear about Matlock's kicking game because he is not as high profile as Efren.

I respect Efren as highly as anyone with the exception of not thinking that he is the only player who can play.

There are others who have a pretty salty kicking game as well. Rodney Morris, Charlie Bryant, and Raphael Martinez rarely miss what they take dead aim at.