Matlock is tired of all of the lies..

clint3612 said:
hemicudas said:
Didn't Louie get weight from Buddy. I always heard he got the 7 or something like that.
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NO. They played dead even. Anyone in Baton Rouge will tell you. They all went busted. The only, "Catch", was when they left the bar table they took the big cue ball to the 8' pool hall table in the Greenway. In Jackson they played on a 9' table with Dan winning. They also played oposite handed and Dan beat him, also playing even.

Now if you are talking about Louie Roberts,,,,,yes he got the 7 from Buddy. The day after Dan Louie beat Buddy in Jackson he busted Louie Roberts,,,,,,,,,all playing even.
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hemicudas said:
clint3612 said:
NO. They played dead even. Anyone in Baton Rouge will tell you. They all went busted. The only, "Catch", was when they left the bar table they took the big cue ball to the 8' pool hall table in the Greenway. In Jackson they played on a 9' table with Dan winning. They also played oposite handed and Dan beat him, also playing even.

Now if you are talking about Louie Roberts,,,,,yes he got the 7 from Buddy. The day after Dan Louie beat Buddy in Jackson he busted Louie Roberts,,,,,,,,,all playing even.
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I never heard about Dan beating Buddy playing lefty. Buddy played pretty sporty with his left hand too. I got a dose of that myself.
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ironman said:
hemicudas said:
I never heard about Dan beating Buddy playing lefty. Buddy played pretty sporty with his left hand too. I got a dose of that myself.
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They didn't play long that way, Ironman. Buddy, pulled up pretty quick and told Dan they could play some more if they played, "Call your position shot." In other words, call the shot you are shooting AND your next shot. Dan would not go for that.

Don't get me wrong, Buddy, was the greatest 9 ball player I ever saw but for about 6-8 months in the late 70s Dan Louie was beating everyone he played for the cash.
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Gave them Huge Spots

ironman said:
Agreed again Jay and I think that is or should be the point of this. Both David and Kieth are proud guys and I doubt seriuosly if either has a negative thing to say about the other.

Both were hellacious players in their own right and have so much to be proud of. I have seen both play and at times that neither could have played more perfectly. At other times, they both looked just like another good pool player. In the long haul though, David, Kieth, and Buddy would make most look just like another pool player. They all 3 had something very special and I believe they realized it and hung their hats on it.

Imo, there will never be bar players like these again as things have just changed too much. John Shuput, Erman Bullard, Dan Louie, Joe Salazar, and others have come so close and on certain days put on their own clinics, but in the long run the other 3 would have come out on top.

I don't believe kieth to be a liar nor do I believe David to be one. They were both great in those circumstances and cling to that proudly and that is good enough for me.

To both, all I have to say, is, Thanks for the memories.
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Jay,
You seemed to have seen all three play at different time periods. Did you see any of them give up the kind of spots that Keith used to give up on that bar box? Giving Siegel the last two, Hubbard the 8, Shuput the 6, King Kong the 6 and then the 5, Morro and Ernests the 7 or better, Billy Ray the 6 and the 5...Pretty damn strong. I didnt get to see Keith play in his prime but did get to see him play in the 90's when he stayed in San Francisco for a while. Keith you probably remember when we went to a bar in SF with Nine Ball Paul Silva (was old then) and we tried to get the owner to play with a big spot but it was a no go. So Keith got to play the local bar champ and beat him pretty good. Keith overheard the bar tender telling the guy that this was his last check he could cash for 500 bucks..Keith tells me watch me put a 5 pack on the guy and end this.. and he did. Then he went back on the chase for a guy called MO..Im sure you remember him Keith..he was great action and so was Nine Ball Paul when it came to pitching coins..Keith you found out that one the hard way but you had some great games with MO.
 
Antonio Lining

huckster said:
I seen it with my own eyes. It was in Kansas the time frame may be slightly off but it happened. Matlock was the only even game Jose got in months. I am by no means saying Dave is not a small track monster he does everything great. He shoots three ball combos better then anyone ever. He very well may be the best ever, but Jose just wears people down. Many people think that the Filipino champions can not play on the bar boxes, but believe it or not I think Jose, Antonio, and a few others play on the barbox better then the big track. Playing 9ball on the barbox Jose breaks well enough he plays pinpoint shape and never misses. The year he won the bar box championship the window was open and my horse wouldn't play him.
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I am assuming when you mention Antonio you are referring to Antonio Lining. I saw Antonio play King Kong on a big table in hard times giving him the 7 ball and torch him and then played him even on the bar box with the big ball even, and King Kong torched him. This was about the same time that Antonio beat Mark Tadd.
 
DrawtheRock said:
Jay,
You seemed to have seen all three play at different time periods. Did you see any of them give up the kind of spots that Keith used to give up on that bar box? Giving Siegel the last two, Hubbard the 8, Shuput the 6, King Kong the 6 and then the 5, Morro and Ernests the 7 or better, Billy Ray the 6 and the 5...Pretty damn strong. I didnt get to see Keith play in his prime but did get to see him play in the 90's when he stayed in San Francisco for a while. Keith you probably remember when we went to a bar in SF with Nine Ball Paul Silva (was old then) and we tried to get the owner to play with a big spot but it was a no go. So Keith got to play the local bar champ and beat him pretty good. Keith overheard the bar tender telling the guy that this was his last check he could cash for 500 bucks..Keith tells me watch me put a 5 pack on the guy and end this.. and he did. Then he went back on the chase for a guy called MO..Im sure you remember him Keith..he was great action and so was Nine Ball Paul when it came to pitching coins..Keith you found out that one the hard way but you had some great games with MO.
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Keith spotted the world! Except for a couple of guys like Buddy and David. :smile:
Players like Buddy and David HAD to give up weight to get games. Very few players could ever play Buddy even on any table. Same with David on a bar box.
 
jay helfert said:
Richie did have an extended stay in Houston, courtesy of Le Cue. Like New York Blackie, Richie moved around to where the action was. He has "retired" to Las Vegas for the last 15 years, although I haven't seen him for a while.
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Jay, I heard that Richie passed away of couple of years ago in Reno. I know for a fact that he hasn't called his friend in Orlando for another "loan" during the past two years. A good indication that he cannot get to a phone.
 
Here's another "SET THE RECORD STRIGHT" -

I have NEVER been beaten by any pro in any part of he world on a bar table or a 9 footer, 8 ball or 9 ball.
 
mbvl said:
Jay,

But didn't Ambrose later settle in Houston? When I first saw him (probably at one of Terry Stonier's tournaments) I could swear he was living in Texas, and by that time everyone knew (and feared) Okie Dave.

Mark
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Richie played at a place called Goofy's Gameroom in Houston in the 70's, I think it was on Buffalo Speedway. I remember the magazine Texas Monthly doing an article on Ambrose.
 
Dawgie said:
Here's another "SET THE RECORD STRIGHT" -

I have NEVER been beaten by any pro in any part of he world on a bar table or a 9 footer, 8 ball or 9 ball.
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I like the way you think.

neither have I.
 
jay helfert said:
Keith spotted the world! Except for a couple of guys like Buddy and David. :smile:
Players like Buddy and David HAD to give up weight to get games. Very few players could ever play Buddy even on any table. Same with David on a bar box.
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He didn't spot Eugene Browning nothing he could'nt even beat him even.
 
clint3612 said:
You sir, are an idiot. I assure you, Efren is not light years ahead of David when it comes to kicking. Is Efren the overall better player? Based on money matches and tournament finishes, yes, Efren is the better player. However, in regards to their kicking prowess, theres now way Efren shines any brighter than David. You have to see David play to know these things. If you are soooo confident, give David a few points in 3cushion playing efren and see where you come out.
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I'd rather be an idiot than a nuthanger. Hows the weather down there? :D

If you think David can kick on the same level or better than Efren, you should try to make a game. You will have 99% of the pool world stumbling over each other to bet on Efren. You can be rich! But I wonder why this game hasn't happened before? ;)

Supposedly 3-c was Efren's favorite game for a long time. Set something up if you are so confident!

By the way, Keith is known as the king of the barbox by just about every pool player. You should have some respect.
 
Respect??

cuetechasaurus said:
I'd rather be an idiot than a nuthanger. Hows the weather down there? :D

If you think David can kick on the same level or better than Efren, you should try to make a game. You will have 99% of the pool world stumbling over each other to bet on Efren. You can be rich! But I wonder why this game hasn't happened before? ;)

Supposedly 3-c was Efren's favorite game for a long time. Set something up if you are so confident!

By the way, Keith is known as the king of the barbox by just about every pool player. You should have some respect.
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How am I showing Keith any disrespect? Just because I'm challenging the idea that he's not the king of the bar table? I have seen both players play and I think David is the better player. Some others think Keith is. Big flipping deal. You have your opinions and I have mine. It is simple as that. I'm not going discuss Efren vs. David kicking anymore. Unlike you, I have had the opportunity to seem them both play live and on T.V., so it's easy for me to make these assumptions. Again, I don't think I'll discuss the "kicking" argument anymore. BTW, the nuthugging comment is lame and juvenile. Good work! Oh yeah, you got the 8!
 
Eugene Browning came thru town about a year ago and couldn't beat the houseman(a local shortstop). That's not to say he couldn't play some in the past.
 
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my opion

Keith has a bigger name he was, and is very flamboyent, and awesome to watch and has alot of west-cost bias. But as an all-around champion David plays all games champ speed 3-c, 1-p, snooker, banks, 8-ball all champion speed not just big and little table 9-ball. :eek:

Not knocking keith's game at all. Keith is a champion among champions, but my personal opion I think david is a better player in every game.:thumbup:
 
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