I think putting Keith and Dave together in a race to 100 in 10 ball in an action challenge. It would be a hell of a match and give them both some well deserved recognition, also would do very well in a ppv in my opinion.:grin:
Matlock is tired of all of the lies..
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Anything with 15 balls played on a bar trap or a 8,9, and 10 footer I have to go with Efrens side against anyone..
Banks hes a dog but Hes not called the "Magician" for nothing..
Not to totally high Jack the thread.. I like MAtlock against reyes In bartable 9 ball with the Big cue ball..
ribdoner said:
Anything with 15 balls played on a bar trap or a 8,9, and 10 footer I have to go with Efrens side against anyone..
Banks hes a dog but Hes not called the "Magician" for nothing..
Not to totally high Jack the thread.. I like MAtlock against reyes In bartable 9 ball with the Big cue ball..
I agree..
I e-mailed TAR already about David & Keith playing. They are roughly the same age and both haven't played any real high stakes action (that I know of) in a long time. The only thing David wants is time to prepare and a definite matchup. Thats not too much to ask, I don't think. The last time David got fired up about pool he did great. Come on you nay sayers and nonbelievers give him a reason to get off the couch and show ya'll what top flight pool can look like. We can start with Keith and go from there.
I e-mailed TAR already about David & Keith playing. They are roughly the same age and both haven't played any real high stakes action (that I know of) in a long time. The only thing David wants is time to prepare and a definite matchup. Thats not too much to ask, I don't think. The last time David got fired up about pool he did great. Come on you nay sayers and nonbelievers give him a reason to get off the couch and show ya'll what top flight pool can look like. We can start with Keith and go from there.
Stating possible games to TAR is a wonderful thing & we can all dream of the big fantasy matchups we would like to see - but it comes down to both sides agreeing to a game AND PUTTING UP THE MONEY. End of story. TAR does the rest in getting both sides to agree to a location, game, time and amount. That is what makes TAR great - takes all the b.s. out gambling.
Scott Lee said:Charlie Williams? Heck...let's lock Matlock in a room with Efren for 3 days, and see who comes out ahead! Efren is a feared money player, as well as an excellent tournament player. If tournaments don't determine who is the better player, then why do the top players still play in them? Why don't they just gamble? Probably because someone will actually come out a winner in the tournament, and take home some cash. The gamblers will break even over time (or, as we all know, more likely go broke...because they won some $$$ playing pool, and then lost it at the track!).
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Let's lock them up in the pool room with the bar box, 8ft table, 9 ft table, snooker table, and billiard table and this could be a very close match. David is one of the most versatile players of all time.
roosterman said:
I think you misread my post. I stated "playing against multiple players and winning multiple tournaments to be considered the best". I think races to nine played against the same group of pros week by week would definitely shine through those players that were the "best". Law of averages more or less. Not really any different than golf or tennis.
A race to 50 could prove something, but it's too long and drawn out. What if one player is off that day? What if one player keeps his stamina up by doping up? I really don't have any interest in watching one guy play the top 200 in the world a race to 50 each time. That could get pretty boring and nobody would probably care once the dust settled 50 years later.
This also isn't as easy as something like Tiger vs Phil or McEnroe vs Borg or Ali vs Frazier. There isn't two barbox players that are heads and shoulders above the rest. We could probably rattle off a hundred guys who would like to claim they are the "best" barbox player. Last time I checked, Jason Kirkwood was kicking some butt on the barboxes.
jay helfert said:
This thread really went sideways. Like someone else said on here, who really was the BEST! It changed from day to day and week to week, just like it does today. What I will say unequivocally is that David Matlock was a BAR TABLE LEGEND! And he could play pretty sporty on big tables too!
Someone asked me about Bakersfield Bobby. He and Weldon Rogers were two more great "big ball" bar table players. I would rate these two just under Keith, Buddy and Matlock. IMO those last three were the best I ever saw, at different times and places. I don't think Bobby or Weldon would have gone out of their way to play these three guys. In fact, probably the opposite is true.
Once again, Keith was the most exciting and entertaining. Buddy was the most methodical and consistent, and David was the most overpowering and dominant on a small box. Three different styles for three GREAT players. They were all champions because they could come with the big shots under pressure, they had a burning desire to win and they had no quit in them. All three could play for days if need be.
There was another guy who came up here a few times from Mexico in the early 80's named Canella. He was a good looking Mexican guy who was like the Mike Sigel of the bar tables. He just played perfect pool for days on end. I don't know if anyone ever beat him back then. He made some money and returned to Mexico where he succumbed to drugs and alcohol. When he returned to the states a few years later, he wasn't the same guy. Who else remembers him? He played mostly around Texas. Ironman?
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ironman said:
Love this story. David was a proud man.
watchez said:
Thanks for this watchez. All this talk about TAR match ups is a waste of time. It is up to the TAR guys and the players to make something happen. I give Justin and Chad big props for coming up with the great matches they have already. I, for one, love the idea of Keith playing Billy. It would be exciting, interesting, educational and a helluva lot of fun. Let's support TAR in pulling that one off. If they can get these two in the box, I want to be there to witness it. Hell, I'll even sit in the booth if they need me.
ironman said:
It makes a nice story, but I think it was just woofin'. When I was reading the story for the first time, I expected to hear that when Ambrose heard that "David" was from Oklahoma, the lightbulb would have gone on. How could anyone (especially from Texas) not have heard of "Okie Dave"?
Mark
One undenyable fact.
Here is one fact that no one can argue with. In the 70s the original "Ice Man" Larry Hubbart, was a monster bar table player. Dave, has said Larry beat him on the bar table for serious money.
Keith McCready, also played Larry Hubbart on the bar table. Keith beat Larry,,,,,,,,,,,GIVING HIM THE 8 BALL,,,,,,,,,,, for serious money.
Here is one fact that no one can argue with. In the 70s the original "Ice Man" Larry Hubbart, was a monster bar table player. Dave, has said Larry beat him on the bar table for serious money.
Keith McCready, also played Larry Hubbart on the bar table. Keith beat Larry,,,,,,,,,,,GIVING HIM THE 8 BALL,,,,,,,,,,, for serious money.
Right on Jay
I believe that Buddy,David ,and Keith were the three best on a bar box. Buddy was the methodical player with a great cue ball and a lot of heart,David was a beautifull player to watch,with a big break,a lot of heart ,and he also had a great cue ball.Keith was the best shotmaker of the three,he also had tons of heart,but had the weakest cue ball of the three. But playing on a bar box he never missed,and he probably was the most intimidating of the bunch.On second thought they all were intimidating in their own way,so intimidating that everyone left them alone. So who was the best? We'll never know.But in their hearts they all think they were the best. If they played today I would bet my dough on Matlock,simply because he has the biggest break.So lets stir it up for the sake of action and to watch it one more time.
I believe that Buddy,David ,and Keith were the three best on a bar box. Buddy was the methodical player with a great cue ball and a lot of heart,David was a beautifull player to watch,with a big break,a lot of heart ,and he also had a great cue ball.Keith was the best shotmaker of the three,he also had tons of heart,but had the weakest cue ball of the three. But playing on a bar box he never missed,and he probably was the most intimidating of the bunch.On second thought they all were intimidating in their own way,so intimidating that everyone left them alone. So who was the best? We'll never know.But in their hearts they all think they were the best. If they played today I would bet my dough on Matlock,simply because he has the biggest break.So lets stir it up for the sake of action and to watch it one more time.
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