Matlock is tired of all of the lies..

Great post Jay...but here's another UNENDING truth about great poolplayers...they only remember their WINS, never their losses! To say that someone lost only ONE time to ANYBODY on a barbox (or any other size table) is simply ludicrous. There is nobody who cannot be beaten on a given day...and frequently is.:rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

jay helfert said:
They all played great pool at the same time, but just like today, on some days a player is "right" and on some days he isn't. Buddy is by far the most consistent of the three. He has played top speed pool on all size tables for decades now. And yes, his game has slipped over the last few years. It amazes me that he can still play as well as he does.

Keith had periods in his life where he was simply unbeatable. Everyone (with Buddy being the lone exception) was ducking him. Only Matlock would get on a small box with him. Keith would have to search far and wide for an even game. Only if he found a Denny Searcy, Jimmy Reid, Wade Crane, Louie Roberts or Mike Carella could he get played. But even during those peak years, Keith would have his "off" days. Keith also amazed me frequently. He would stay away from the poolroom for weeks at a time and hang around the race tracks. No one to play was the obvious reason. Then some hustler would come in from out of town and start robbing everyone. They would go and get Keith and bring him to the poolroom. He would hit a few balls and get up there and massacre that poor guy. Once he found his stroke, it was all over. :wink:

David also had some "low" periods in his life where his pool game suffered. He lost his desire to play and consequently he became beatable, particularly in tournaments. Even during those difficult times that David went through, he still was winning his share of bar table tourneys against top flight competition. I strongly suspect if he had been more motivated, his record in bar box tourneys would look more like Buddy's.

There are many factors to consider when determining who the best player may be on a given day. His frame of mind is primary, even before considering the game to be played, the location, and the equipment they are playing on. Has he gotten proper rest, is he hung over from the night before, is he prepared to play right now. State of mind is everything in a game like pool, with all its psychological undertones. This is especially so when top players are involved. That is just as true today as it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago.
 
Parica

I think David is a great champion on any table, but I will have to disagree about him never losing. I seen Jose Parica beat Dave on the bar box circa 1997 or 98. It was 15 ahead no less
 
Yukon Ed said:
Ask Dave how he fared against the 3-cushion player from Nicaragua (who played briefly out of New Wave Billiards in Miami).

Yukon Ed

Your kidding me...your trying to say Panchito beats Matlock on the bar box? Gimme a break...Panchito got beat for 2k by Tom D'Alfonso in NY just recently, he lost 1k playing Monster John a few weeks back in South Florida. His game is great no doubt, but cmon Matlock on the barbox is about as stout as they come. In his prime he would have probably given Panchito the last 3 or maybe the 7 on the small track I would say.
 
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jay helfert said:
David, Keith and Buddy were the three best I ever saw on the small boxes. And they had different style games. Buddy would play his methodical perfect position pool for hours and hours. Keith would make one spectacular run out after another. And both these guys just didn't miss any ball they could see.

David meanwhile, just seemed to own the table. He made the balls conform to him and his style. He simply over powered the table, he was so in control. It's hard to explain unless you saw it. David's game just didn't look like anyone else's. He had more command of the table and balls then anyone I ever saw.

I just had to add this. Then Earl came along and made the big tables look like bar boxes. He was playing bar table pool on 9' tables. Running out looked like a joke when Earl was in his prime.


Jay, what about Bakersfield Bob? Played pretty sporty on the Box. Bill Stock
 
I played David Matlock in a tournament in Topeka about 15 years ago, all I can say is it didn't turn out well for the Bigshooter.
 
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jay helfert said:
They all played great pool at the same time, but just like today, on some days a player is "right" and on some days he isn't. Buddy is by far the most consistent of the three. He has played top speed pool on all size tables for decades now. And yes, his game has slipped over the last few years. It amazes me that he can still play as well as he does.

Keith had periods in his life where he was simply unbeatable. Everyone (with Buddy being the lone exception) was ducking him. Only Matlock would get on a small box with him. Keith would have to search far and wide for an even game. Only if he found a Denny Searcy, Jimmy Reid, Wade Crane, Louie Roberts or Mike Carella could he get played. But even during those peak years, Keith would have his "off" days. Keith also amazed me frequently. He would stay away from the poolroom for weeks at a time and hang around the race tracks. No one to play was the obvious reason. Then some hustler would come in from out of town and start robbing everyone. They would go and get Keith and bring him to the poolroom. He would hit a few balls and get up there and massacre that poor guy. Once he found his stroke, it was all over. :wink:

David also had some "low" periods in his life where his pool game suffered. He lost his desire to play and consequently he became beatable, particularly in tournaments. Even during those difficult times that David went through, he still was winning his share of bar table tourneys against top flight competition. I strongly suspect if he had been more motivated, his record in bar box tourneys would look more like Buddy's.

There are many factors to consider when determining who the best player may be on a given day. His frame of mind is primary, even before considering the game to be played, the location, and the equipment they are playing on. Has he gotten proper rest, is he hung over from the night before, is he prepared to play right now. State of mind is everything in a game like pool, with all its psychological undertones. This is especially so when top players are involved. That is just as true today as it was 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago.

Very good points Jay. Pool and action don't or rarely have a xchedule like most sports. More often than no they run into each other and the barking begins. One or the other hits a nerve and off they go. Egos and pride are a big part of it. As you said though, often nobody knows what happened the day before or the mind set at the time.

David has always been one of my favorites just as Ed Kelly was. They just seemed to have that certain little something that most didn't and they were able to often hypnotize some great players with their presence and intimidating control of the table.

Years ago, I had heard of David, but had never laid eyes on him, but while on the road and passing through Amarillo Texas, we stopped at an old pool room there called Harveys.

Once we entered we saw a huge crowd and knew something was going on. My road dog nudged me and asked who Matlock was playing and I said that it was Ritchie Ambrose, Mr 9 Ball a very feared player in those days.

We learned they were playing 10 ahead for like $8000 and David was putting up a big fight on the 4 x 8 table. Then Ritchie starts his BS or imitation of Ronnie, really showing his ass.

The score got back to even when Ritchie asked, " You have a name cowboy"?

David responds with David.

Ritchie fires back, "very good, David what"?

Matlock.

Where are we from continues Ritchie?

Poncha City Oklahoma David replies".

Ritchie in a loud voce declares, " in't this a *****, I'm dead even with some no named punk from Poncha City Okalahoma! I'm Mr 9 Ball, how can this be"?

David took his ball cap and turned it backwards and went to work hittin him with first a 6 pack and then finished the set with 4 consecutive games. When finished Dave simply turned his cap back forward, walked right up to Ritchie and asked, "Punk huh?" "Why would they call you Mr. 9-ball?"

Ambrose went off the air to the point I thought his head would pop.

During the IPT fiasco David got real fired up and started playing real well agin. He looked 20 years younger and looked motivated and as if he were enjoying himself again. It's demise really deflated him.

Too bad, he is an incredible natural talent.
 
Scott Lee said:
Great post Jay...but here's another UNENDING truth about great poolplayers...they only remember their WINS, never their losses! To say that someone lost only ONE time to ANYBODY on a barbox (or any other size table) is simply ludicrous. There is nobody who cannot be beaten on a given day...and frequently is.:rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Some truth to this, but there are some who remember shots missed more than shots made. After all, it is the biggest reason for losses.
 
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huckster said:
I think David is a great champion on any table, but I will have to disagree about him never losing. I seen Jose Parica beat Dave on the bar box circa 1997 or 98. It was 15 ahead no less
Huckster, I have alot of respect for your dealings in the pool world, however, I've never heard of Parica beating David except through your story. From what i understand, David beat Parica. Not to mention, I would have very hard time seeing anybody beating David 15 ahead at that time. I don't believe Parica even breaks good enough to slay him by 15 games.
 
uwate said:
Your kidding me...probably given Panchito the last 3 or maybe the 7 on the small track I would say.

I think sometimes people fail to realize how much more dominant the top 3% of players really are. They give no air and that is how other 'near-champs' can get weight.
 
clint3612 said:
Huckster, I have alot of respect for your dealings in the pool world, however, I've never heard of Parica beating David except through your story. From what i understand, David beat Parica. Not to mention, I would have very hard time seeing anybody beating David 15 ahead at that time. I don't believe Parica even breaks good enough to slay him by 15 games.

I played Parica around that time period and he broke GREAT. It was on a 4X8 but there is nothing wrong with his break.

As to him and Matlock, I don't know anything one way or the other.

~rc
 
ironman said:
The score got back to even when Ritchie asked, " You have a name cowboy"?

David responds with David.

Ritchie fires back, "very good, David what"?

Matlock.

Where are we from continues Ritchie?

Poncha City Oklahoma David replies".

Ritchie in a loud voce declares, " in't this a *****, I'm dead even with some no named punk from Poncha City Okalahoma! I'm Mr 9 Ball, how can this be"?

David took his ball cap and turned it backwards and went to work hittin him with first a 6 pack and then finished the set with 4 consecutive games. When finished Dave simply turned his cap back forward, walked right up to Ritchie and asked, "Punk huh?" "Why would they call you Mr. 9-ball?"

Ambrose went off the air to the point I thought his head would pop.

Thanks for that. I love reading these types of stories.
 
roosterman said:
I just asked David about that he said they were both drunk and high,and played a 5 ahead for a thousand and people were bumping in to them and table rolled off pretty bad.They were really just messing around.

Roosterman, I don't want to cause any friction or anything, but the facts are the facts. David beat me down there in Dallas at Sonny Springer's home. Will Willingham and Weldon Rogers was with me. We blowed about 20-some thousand. We came back to Oklahoma City and played again, a rematch, and I got some of the money back. I believe it as 15 or 16,000.

Then we were over there in Richmond, Kentucky, at the Clyde Childress tournament. We did play one little 5-ahead set. LATER, the next night, Dave and I played a 10-ahead set for $5,000. Big Dean from Atlanta was staking me in this one. That session lasted about an hour, me winning the money.

I have all the respect in the world for his game, and I can actually say that I would call David Matlock my friend. David in my opinion, when he gets rolling, is probably the best bar table player that I've seen when it comes to gears. He had those gears. That's what separates a good player and a player extraordinaire.
 
jbullerjr said:
I am not saying that this guy beat Matlock but, I would like to know what Dave thinks of his game.

Please ask Dave about Erman Bullards bar box game.

Also, would like to hear what Keith thinks of the same man.

Erman is a close friend and has alot of respect for both Dave and Kieths' games.

Erman back in his day was a hell of a bar table player. It took a real good player to beat Erman on a bar table. He is another real good friend of mine. I love Erman to death. He had open heart surgery, and I heard he is doing well. If you hear from Erman, have him call me. I sure would like to hear from him.
 
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