Men's 2025 World 8-Ball Championship, Bali, Oct.7-13

[Bob Jewett]

Just got this announcement. It is at the same time as the Hanoi Open.

Solid pool in that part of the world in October, starting with the Peri Open and ending with the Philippines Open.

 

[skor]

Same time as overlapping or around the same time?
Sucks if it’s overlapping.

 

[jbart65]

This event was actually announced in June. I speculated on AZ about whether Filler and Biado would miss Hanoi.

J

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If the photo accurately tells us that Filler and Biado will play in the event, it's raises some questions.

Filler has yet to play in the Hanoi Open.

In 2023, he chose to play in the WPA World 8-Ball tournament held around the same time. He still was able to play in the Mosconi, however.

In 2024, he skipped Hanoi due to the WPA ban. He was removed from the Mosconi team by MR, as we all know.

This year, he is likely to earn enough points to get a Mosconi auto bid. But MR bylaws seem to...

• jbart65

 

[JAM]

It's great for pro player that so many pro-caliber events are available, but the clashing of dates seems like the wall still exists between certain entities.

WNT Hanoi Open, October 7-12, 2025, 256 players

• $40,000 for 1st
• $16,000 for 2nd
• $10,000 for 3rd and 4th
• $7,000 for 5th through 8th
• $4,000 for 9th through 16th
• $2,000 for 17th through 32nd
• $1,000 for 32ns through 64th

2025 Yalin WPA Men's 8-Ball Championship, October 6-13, 2025, 96 players

• $70,000 for 1st
• $40,000 for 2nd
• $17,600 for 3rd and 4th
• $8,750 for 5th through 8th
• $4,375 for 9th through 16th
• $2,188 for 17th through 32nd

 

[skogstokig]

It's great for pro player that so many pro-caliber events are available, but the clashing of dates seems like the wall still exists between certain entities.

WNT Hanoi Open, October 7-12, 2025, 256 players

• $40,000 for 1st
• $16,000 for 2nd
• $10,000 for 3rd and 4th
• $7,000 for 5th through 8th
• $4,000 for 9th through 16th
• $2,000 for 17th through 32nd
• $1,000 for 32ns through 64th

2025 Yalin WPA Men's 8-Ball Championship, October 6-13, 2025, 96 players

• $70,000 for 1st
• $40,000 for 2nd
• $17,600 for 3rd and 4th
• $8,750 for 5th through 8th
• $4,375 for 9th through 16th
• $2,188 for 17th through 32nd

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maybe. dates will continue to clash though, there are simply so many events now and MR are dependent on sky sports scheduling slots. there's a chinese event going on right now, not JOY heyball but some other promoter doing 9-ball on similar tables. alex is playing in it

 

[ctran]

I think it will be free market now, which will benefit players and audiences

 

[JAM]

WNT Peri 9-ball Open, October 1-5, 256 players, $25,000 for 1st
WNT Hanoi Open, October 7-12, 256 players, $40,000 for 1st
WPC Yalin Men's 8-Ball Championship, October 6-13, 96 players, $70,000 for 1st
WNT Philippines Open, October 21-26

Living out of a suitcase for a month in Asia with the associated expenses is a challenge, unless, of course, you can win, place or show.

 

[sjm]

This event was actually announced in June. I speculated on AZ about whether Filler and Biado would miss Hanoi.

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If the photo accurately tells us that Filler and Biado will play in the event, it's raises some questions.

Filler has yet to play in the Hanoi Open.

In 2023, he chose to play in the WPA World 8-Ball tournament held around the same time. He still was able to play in the Mosconi, however.

In 2024, he skipped Hanoi due to the WPA ban. He was removed from the Mosconi team by MR, as we all know.

This year, he is likely to earn enough points to get a Mosconi auto bid. But MR bylaws seem to...

• jbart65

Yup, it's all very complicated.

On May 7, a letter issued jointly by WPA and Matchroom offered “an agreement has been reached, ensuring that WNT events will be ratified by the WPA going forward.” Player license suspensions were lifted and a pledge made by WPA not to suspend players that play WNT events.

WPA pledged not to penalize WNT pros for playing in WNT events, but whether Matchroom will show similar latitude in dealing with those who choose a WPA world championship over a WNT event is still to be determined.

If Matchroom takes firm action against WNT pros who choose the World 8ball, I think we can assume that the feud between Matchroom and WPA remains unresolved. Similarly, if WPA takes any action against WNT pros that choose the Hanoi Open over the World 8ball, all hell will break loose.

Matchroom's schedule came out way too late this year and, given that Matchroom did not discipline the WNT pros that skipped the UK Open for the concurrent expo in Asia, I can't see how they can discipline those who had already committed to the World 8ball.

I guess we will soon know if the WPA/WNT dispute is really behind us or not.

 

[jbart65]

WNT promos above show SVB participating in the Hanoi and Philippines opens, but he is skipping Hanoi to play in the WPA World 8-ball tourney.

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What a great week at Texas open in Austin, Tx! Started out playing the bank ring game and 10 ball ring game, got 2nd in the 10 ball ring game. Then I win the main event Texas Open undefeated. It’s an...

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Latest WPA 8-ball promo shows Filler and SVB participating, but no other men's players of note. There surely will be other top players there, though.

Filler is defending WPA 8-ball champ. The event pays $70,000 to the winner and $40,000 to the runnerup. The Peri and Hanoi top prizes are $40,000 in what are likely to be much tougher fields.

I'd gather SVB will play in the Philippines Open and perhaps the Reyes Cup.

Filler, who knows. He is No. 1 in the Mosconi rankings for team Europe, but it looks like the cutoff won't be until after the Peri and Hanoi opens. It's possible he could lose his automatic spot, but he has enough of a lead that it probably won't happen.

 

[iusedtoberich]

You know, even on the local level, there are now tournaments every day of the week. Regular weekly events, plus "pop-up" events. I have to pick and choose which, if any, I want to go to. To not get burnt out, and to have fun, and of course maximize my chances to profit. I guess its the same for pros.

Pool has not been this popular, IMO, since about 2000.

 

[garczar]

Big deal. Watching top pros play 8b is pretty dull. Its too easy for them. I hear all this bs about how strategic and 'move filled' 8b is. Wrong. Go watch top pros play it, its a joke,

 

[pt109]

Probably Joshua will be getting more steam for this entry….whilst ignoring that the tourney is sponsored by Predator, Joshua’s sponsor.
….Shane’s best game may still be 8-ball, so this will be tense.

 

[skogstokig]

WNT promos above show SVB participating in the Hanoi and Philippines opens, but he is skipping Hanoi to play in the WPA World 8-ball tourney.

Shane VanBoening

What a great week at Texas open in Austin, Tx! Started out playing the bank ring game and 10 ball ring game, got 2nd in the 10 ball ring game. Then I win the main event Texas Open undefeated. It’s an...

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Latest WPA 8-ball promo shows Filler and SVB participating, but no other men's players of note. There surely will be other top players there, though.

Filler is defending WPA 8-ball champ. The event pays $70,000 to the winner and $40,000 to the runnerup. The Peri and Hanoi top prizes are $40,000 in what are likely to be much tougher fields.

I'd gather SVB will play in the Philippines Open and perhaps the Reyes Cup.

Filler, who knows. He is No. 1 in the Mosconi rankings for team Europe, but it looks like the cutoff won't be until after the Peri and Hanoi opens. It's possible he could lose his automatic spot, but he has enough of a lead that it probably won't happen.

i would assume wojciech, albin, maciol play the WPA event

 

[jay helfert]

Too bad these two organizations don't communicate better on scheduling. They put the players in a bad position trying to determine where to play. I don't think any player should be penalized for having to make a choice what is best for them.

 

[easy-e]

They have SVB on the poster for the Hanoi Open and the 8-ball. SVB posted on Facebook that he is playing in the 8-ball in Indonesia.

 

[jbart65]

Too bad these two organizations don't communicate better on scheduling. They put the players in a bad position trying to determine where to play. I don't think any player should be penalized for having to make a choice what is best for them.

This is really the only major date clash this year. I guess that is the good news.

The WPA is holding the World 10-ball tourney in late September in Vietnam, but it takes place before the Peri Open and Hanoi Open. Some players will be able to play in all three with limited travel.

I would not be surprised if there is more coordination in the future. Best for both WPA and WNT.

Yet there is bound to be some future conflicts no matter what. Too many events now globally, some traditional events are locked in (Derby, International) and ideal calendar dates are limited. Both sides will try to stake their ground to some extent.

It would help if Matchroom solidified its calendar, place big events in consistent time frames and released its sked much earlier. But the WPA is not going to give the WNT the ability to dictate to everyone else.

 

[jbart65]

They have SVB on the poster for the Hanoi Open and the 8-ball. SVB posted on Facebook that he is playing in the 8-ball in Indonesia.

SVB has professed his love for 8-ball, and it is a "world" title. Prolly helps him with future invites to the WPA World 10 ball events, too.

Plus the field is more limited and he has an great chance to finish first/second. Prize money just as good for second in the 8-ball tourney as it would be winning Hanoi.

I also get the sense SVB is telling MR he is his own man. He threw in his entire lot with WNT during the dispute with the WPA, but skipping Hanoi tells us he is veering back toward neutrality.

What is MR going to do? Not allow him to play in the Mosconi? I don't think so. Takes the pressure off Filler too.

MR says players can players in whatever they want. And players should have that right, free of fear of penalty.

 

[sjm]

I also get the sense SVB is telling MR he is his own man. He threw in his entire lot with WNT during the dispute with the WPA, but skipping Hanoi tells us he is veering back toward neutrality.

What is MR going to do? Not allow him to play in the Mosconi? I don't think so. Takes the pressure off Filler too.

Definitely a possible interpretation, but I'm not sure what to make of this.

It is possible that both SVB and Filler committed to the World 8ball before the Matchroom schedule was finalized. If so, it is the UK Open scenario all over. Lest we forget that In May, Gorst, SVB, and FSR all skipped the UK Open in favor of the Expo in China. To Matchroom's credit, these players were not penalized in any way, as they were blindsided by the late release of the Matchroom schedule. I think it is fair to assume that Matchroom will proceed similarly in the case of the World 8ball.

In 2025, the players were victims of the late release of the Matchroom schedule. If SVB and Josh are penalized for participating in the World 8ball, it will be a step backward for Matchroom and a clear sign that there is still a lot of bad blood between Matchroom and WPA.

MR says players can players in whatever they want. And players should have that right, free of fear of penalty.

I doubt that is true. I think it probable that there are special rules governing how WNT pros must proceed when a WPA sanctioned major coincides with a Matchroom major.

That said, if WPA and Matchroom have truly reconciled, I am sure a greater effort will be made in 2026 to avoid this kind of situation. Sadly, it is too late to fix this mess for 2025.

 

[jbart65]

Definitely a possible interpretation, but I'm not sure what to make of this.

I am speculating, of course.

It is possible that both SVB and Filler committed to the World 8ball before the Matchroom schedule was finalized. If so, it is the UK Open scenario all over. Lest we forget that In May, Gorst, SVB, and FSR all skipped the UK Open in favor of the Expo in China. To Matchroom's credit, these players were not penalized in any way, as they were blindsided by the late release of the Matchroom schedule. I think it is fair to assume that Matchroom will proceed similarly in the case of the World 8ball.

The date for the Hanoi Open was announced last year, if I recall correctly. It was the first announced event of 2025, way before any other. And it was announced well before the WPA finalized the date for the WPA 8-ball tournament.

In 2025, the players were victims of the late release of the Matchroom schedule. If SVB and Josh are penalized for participating in the World 8ball, it will be a step backward for Matchroom and a clear sign that there is still a lot of bad blood between Matchroom and WPA.


I doubt that is true. I think it probable that there are special rules governing how WNT pros must proceed when a WPA sanctioned major coincides with a Matchroom major.

WNT bylaws seem to suggest there are rules that could limit a player from playing in an invitational MR event (Mosconi). Yet Emily Frazer has said repeatedly in interviews that players can play where they want. It's up to them. Does she mean it? Time will tell. Certainly wasn't the case with Josh last year.

That said, if WPA and Matchroom have truly reconciled, I am sure a greater effort will be made in 2026 to avoid this kind of situation. Sadly, it is too late to fix this mess for 2025.

Let's hope. SVB missing Hanoi will not go unnoticed.

 

[sjm]

The date for the Hanoi Open was announced last year, if I recall correctly. It was the first announced event of 2025, way before any other. And it was announced well before the WPA finalized the date for the WPA 8-ball tournament.

Thanks, this sheds some light on things. That means that SVB and Josh simply chose the World 8ball over Hanoi.

WNT bylaws seem to suggest there are rules that could limit a player from playing in an invitational MR event (Mosconi). Yet Emily Frazer has said repeatedly in interviews that players can play where they want. It's up to them. Does she mean it? Time will tell. Certainly wasn't the case with Josh last year.

Yes, we'll stay tuned and see how it develops.

Let's hope. SVB missing Hanoi will not go unnoticed.

SVB, though no longer the best player in the world, might still be the biggest headliner on the WNT. His absence, as you suggest, will be noticed. Including the UK Open, this will be the second time this year he is skipping a Matchroom major. Similarly, Josh, who skipped the Florida Open in favor of the World Games and will skip Hanoi, will miss his second WNT major this year.

Surely, Matchroom isn't so petty as to make these two superstars ineligible for the Mosconi.