Mika/Williams SBE

theeviltwin69

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Originally Posted by BarneyCalip View Post
justnum, you have got to be kidding !!!!!

You want promoters to do what Mika and Charlie Williams did at the SBE.
Mika went to another tournament and Charlie went to see his two girls play.
They chopped and decided not to play the 14.1 finals.

Fury Cues a sponsor was outraged and said so on this forum.
I don't think they are going to sponsor the event next year.
The fans were also upset.
I wonder how Allen Hopkins feel being stabbed in the back by ABP Pro's.

What a great example Charlie Williams and ABP Pro's showed us.


This is NOT the first time this happened! It's been done before @ big events by these SO CALLED PROFESSIONALS.
What a joke!These are OUR Ambassadors to the sport.Great job guys you really did a great job of representing pool.

These are the reasons Big sponsors wont back the men!
Does this ever happen with the Women?No,why,They have CLASS plain and simple.That's why they have Big Sponsors!

And I blame the promoter's also for letting it happen time and time again!

When I was a kid I used to watch Mosconi,Minasota Fats,Mizzerack etc,etc,play on WIDE WORLD of SPORTS.

Wide World of Sports! Why,because these guys where PROFESSIONALS,they had CLASS and HEART!They would not let themselves be EMBARRASSED to walk away from a challenge like TWO LOSERS

Not like today,these guys have NO sense of professionalism,NO class,and NO heart.
STRETCH
 
theeviltwin69 said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarneyCalip View Post
justnum, you have got to be kidding !!!!!

You want promoters to do what Mika and Charlie Williams did at the SBE.
Mika went to another tournament and Charlie went to see his two girls play.
They chopped and decided not to play the 14.1 finals.

Fury Cues a sponsor was outraged and said so on this forum.
I don't think they are going to sponsor the event next year.
The fans were also upset.
I wonder how Allen Hopkins feel being stabbed in the back by ABP Pro's.

What a great example Charlie Williams and ABP Pro's showed us.


This is NOT the first time this happened! It's been done before @ big events by these SO CALLED PROFESSIONALS.
What a joke!These are OUR Ambassadors to the sport.Great job guys you really did a great job of representing pool.

These are the reasons Big sponsors wont back the men!
Does this ever happen with the Women?No,why,They have CLASS plain and simple.That's why they have Big Sponsors!

And I blame the promoter's also for letting it happen time and time again!

When I was a kid I used to watch Mosconi,Minasota Fats,Mizzerack etc,etc,play on WIDE WORLD of SPORTS.

Wide World of Sports! Why,because these guys where PROFESSIONALS,they had CLASS and HEART!They would not let themselves be EMBARRASSED to walk away from a challenge like TWO LOSERS

Not like today,these guys have NO sense of professionalism,NO class,and NO heart.
STRETCH
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I can't argue with anything you posted.

Professional poolplayers can't seem to quit shooting themselves in the foot.

The APB had best issue some type of directive to their ranks banning the practice of "chopping". IMO.

Maniac
 
The APB has no problems posting and telling us how wrong we are most of the time.

I bet you will see not a single post here regarding their members conduct.

And as you mentioned, players wonder why companies put their sponsorship dollars elsewhere.

Do the players not think that word does not spread like wild fire in the corporate world. Even if they think that actions like this are minor discrepancies in their world, others do not.

As always, 2 steps forward and 3 back.
 
I don't understand why they were allowed to do this in the first place, shouldn't a prerequisite for receiving 1st and 2nd place monies be to participate in the final? If Mika and Charlie bowed out, they should be tied for 3rd and the losing semi finalist then move into the finals. What they do with the money AFTER the final is complete is their business, but any professional game or sport is supposed to be a spectator sport otherwise whats the point? They are essentially paid to play, if they don't play they don't get paid.
 
Cameron Smith said:
but any professional game or sport is supposed to be a spectator sport otherwise whats the point? .
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That's hittin' the nail squarely on the head!!!

Professional pool: It seems it's always about the money and who can get their hands on it, no matter how unscrupulously it is gained (with the exception of the Asian player who not too long ago won a championship and donated the winnings to some organization of which I cannot remember the name of).

Convince me otherwise.

Maniac
 
Cameron Smith said:
I don't understand why they were allowed to do this in the first place, shouldn't a prerequisite for receiving 1st and 2nd place monies be to participate in the final? If Mika and Charlie bowed out, they should be tied for 3rd and the losing semi finalist then move into the finals. What they do with the money AFTER the final is complete is their business, but any professional game or sport is supposed to be a spectator sport otherwise whats the point? They are essentially paid to play, if they don't play they don't get paid.
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Agreed. Also, I would say the promoters should have made them play if they wanted a paycheck. I wouldn't have paid them if it was my tournament. I would consider not playing a forfeit.
 
Not one word from the ABP on what happened at the Expo. I think all AZ Members should have them on ignore so they have to talk directly with promoters instead of putting thier demands on here. Johnnyt
 
rdplyr said:
Agreed. Also, I would say the promoters should have made them play if they wanted a paycheck. I wouldn't have paid them if it was my tournament. I would consider not playing a forfeit.
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I agree, chop should result in disqualification. Let the third and fourth place players play for 1-4 money

That would end the chops, dumps are a tougher issue
 
Interesting issue.

What are the official statements from the players and tournament directors?

No point in keeping up with the gossip unless we can hear the words from the source.
 
Cute post but pro pool players are not salaried workers, or hourly workers. They are gamblers. Do they have contracts? No they pay money to enter tournaments with pre-determined prize payouts for certain places.

If these were athletes under contracts with contractual obligations, then I would completely agree with statement. But they are not under contract. What are the rules of tournament? Did the players follow the rules? In the tournament rules does it say that each player ... and that no player can ...

In the gambling world it pays to know the rules. Maybe you should take this as a lesson in gambling because whiners don't get paid.


theeviltwin69 said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by BarneyCalip View Post
justnum, you have got to be kidding !!!!!

You want promoters to do what Mika and Charlie Williams did at the SBE.
Mika went to another tournament and Charlie went to see his two girls play.
They chopped and decided not to play the 14.1 finals.
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So you agree there is no contract other than a tournament that guarantees payouts for x places. Did those players place?

What is the problem? You do a lot of talking but don't want to do anything other than whine. How about read the rules? That might be a good start for you.


BarneyCalip said:
Are you a Lawyer or Pro Player or Charlie Williams?

Not sure why you think that just because it is not the contract you can do anything you want.

Here are some threads look at the response from Fury Cues.


Mika went to play in another event and CW went to the Shanelle/Borana freak show.

Here's some discussion starting at post #4:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=267372

and here (post #5):

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=267428
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After checking with ForumGhost in the 14.1 thread. The real issue was a player was trying to promote as many events as possible.

Mika is a real trooper trying to spread his popularity on as many brand names as possible at the SBE.

Sure there is only one Mika, but his fame attracts spending customers. Can you blame the guy for trying to be in two places at once, to help out all the vendors near him.

Basically wherever the guy stands people are attracted to him. That is great for all the businesses nearby.

When there is only one Mika, some customers get upset because of delays or hold ups. But that is the business with pool celebrities their time is limited. And as many businesses would like to host his presence for the benefit of pool.

If only pool events were schedule so the players could actually be in everyone's events a lot of problems would get solved. It happened when the IPT overlapped with some minor tournaments. It will continue to happen until someone starts to coordinate the planning between different events.
 
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justnum said:
So you agree there is no contract other than a tournament that guarantees payouts for x places. Did those players place?

What is the problem?
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Er....uh...the problem with chopping/dumping is that there are spectators who may have traveled a long way and paid to get in to watch them play.

Hell, why don't the entire list of tournament entrants just split the purse equally amongst thenselves and just skip the whole damn tournament???

Maniac (beginning to dislike pro pool more and more as time goes by, and I'm sure I'm not alone)
 
Maniac said:
Er....uh...the problem with chopping/dumping is that there are spectators who may have traveled a long way and paid to get in to watch them play.

Hell, why don't the entire list of tournament entrants just split the purse equally amongst thenselves and just skip the whole damn tournament???

Maniac (beginning to dislike pro pool more and more as time goes by, and I'm sure I'm not alone)
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After all the concerts/games I have paid tickets for, only to get stood up because a superstar was injured, sick or unable to perform.

Celebrities can't make it to all events it is a fact of life. Get over it. At least with pro pool players they try to make it up. As for others well they end up in rehab which is good too.
 
justnum said:
After all the concerts/games I have paid tickets for, only to get stood up because a superstar was injured, sick or unable to perform.
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Injured, sick, or unable to perform are VALID reasons for "standing people up".

Dumping/chopping is downright wrong and VERY unprofessional. Not even in the same class as the examples you listed.

And....FTR.....the SBE 14.1 tourney isn't the only example in the history of professional pool of chopping/dumping. This act is fast losing pools sponsors and fans. Just what they need, right???

Maniac
 
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