You, Stu, are a brave man!
... and one of your biggest fans. Renewed my BD subscription earlier this week and look forward to two more years of reading the premier publication in our sport. You and all at BD should take a bow.
You, Stu, are a brave man!
Okay, let’s see if I can figure this Forum thing out!
(And bear with me, cuz this is probably gonna take a while!)
I hide from nothing, but I hope you can understand why a magazine publisher would, in general, avoid posting on forums. You guys play for keeps!
That said, I feel like I owe you all a response.
For starters, I really don’t troll. I never write for the sole purpose of getting a rise out of people. Don’t get me wrong, a good editorial should evoke response and encourage thought and discussion. But I don’t purposely say outlandish things just to get people stirred up. I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.
So, yes, I stand by my assertion that Barry Hearn has done more for pool in the past 20 years than any promoter. That’s not to disparage any other promoter, or slight other people in the game who have contributed greatly to the sport…names you all rightly called out.
And I have no problem with people who disagree with me. In a sense, this entire thread is battling editorials. You’re all stating your cases. None of us are absolutely right…or wrong.
But here’s my response…
First, I’m a Barry Hearn fan. Always have been. There is no underlying agenda. He’s not an advertiser. I’ve never received a penny or a favor from Barry.
But I hope you can at least respect that I have been following pool for more than 30 years, and my opinions are not without basis. To me, too much was made of the phrase “American pool.” I know Matchroom isn’t big in the U.S. I’m talking about what he’s done for pool in general, and for American pool players. Let’s face it. Professional pool has been an international game since the demise of the PBT. The impact of players and others will never be about “American pool alone” again. The game has outgrown America.
Facts are facts. Barry Hearn is MUCH more than the Mosconi Cup. Hell, if all he produced was the Mosconi Cup, he’d have never been considered for the Hall of Fame. How about the World Pool Championships, the World Pool Masters and the World Cup of Pool? The name of Matt Braun was brought up. I love Matt, and have known him since before he even put on the first Challenge of Champions. The case was made that he’s put over $1 million in players pockets, always pays, and in many cases pays players’ expenses.
Fair enough. Let’s forget Matchroom’s TV hours, because they’re not in the U.S. Nevertheless, in the same time period, Barry Hearn produced 70 tournaments, paid out over $9 million, and never charged an entry fee. Does Matt Braun belong in the Hall of Fame? Probably. But I wouldn’t vote for him ahead of Barry Hearn. (And Matt’s events are no more “American” than Barry’s.)
That’s all I’ll say about Barry, because I’m already on record with my thoughts.
My main reason for posting is to respond to a few assertions that I think deserve response.
Allen Hopkins. Are there any bigger conspiracy theorists than people in the pool world?
There are few people in pool I respect more than Allen Hopkins. Did politics play a role in his not getting into the HOF sooner? For sure. Politics, favoritism and ignorance. That’s why the billiard media lobbied to get the voting away from the BCA and into the hands of people who knew the players and contributors, and didn’t have axes to grind. Two years later Hopkins was elected. Trust me, if it wasn’t for the USBMA, Allen would still be waiting.
I, personally, nominated Allen for the BBIA (another industry group) Industry Service Award, as much for his contributions as a promoter as for his accomplishments as a player. And I was the one who introduced him at that ceremony. So, please don’t infer that I have it in for Allen. No SBE covers? No Yesteryear mentions? Really? I sell magazines, and expos don’t make good covers…not of the SBE variety, or of the BCA variety.
And statements like “Allen won half the pro tour events,” and didn’t get Player of the Year? You may not like my opinions, but at least I get facts straight before I print them. In 1990 there were nine pro tour events. Allen won two. Kim won two. It was close, but Kim won a few other semi-major events and got the nod. And “Allen got pool on TV, originally.” Where do people get this stuff?
And, while we’re at it, please don’t use my name and the BCA as if we’re one. Hall of Fame voting has nothing to do with the BCA. I have nothing to do with the BCA. Hell, I’m the only person in this business who’s blasted the BCA editorially, and I’ve done it a lot. At the same time, I still believe the BCA serves an important role in this business.
I also believe people like you, who obviously are vested in the game, serve an important role. And what you think does matter, otherwise I, for one, wouldn’t respond.
In the unlikely event any of you are still awake, I appreciate your comments, value your opinions, and will now fade back into the oblivion of magazine publishing. This forum stuff is exhausting!
Mike Panozzo
Billiards Digest
"How extraordinary it is that the person who has done most for American pool in the last two decades doesn't even live in America. Then again, Barry Hearn is anything but ordinary."
G'day Dave
I would read this statement to mean 'The Game' of American Pool, not Pool in America.
As a foreigner, we refer to the game as American pool.
In that sense, what Barry Hearn has done for the game of American Pool around the world, stands out. Outside of the Philippines, the game was almost unknown around the world before Baz came along. I still remember watching the snooker players trying to work out how to break in the earliest Mosconi Cups, and the first US table I ever saw in Australia, not long after that.
Read the first few lines of the above post and I did not care to read the rest of it because of the writing style of the poster. Scrolled it down to see the name of the poster. I was not in a shock to see the poster`s name but I was disappointed by the writing style of this poster. welcome to the club. you will fit in here with that writing style. No disrespect.
PS: I am not proud of my wrting style either.
Okay, let’s see if I can figure this Forum thing out!
(And bear with me, cuz this is probably gonna take a while!)...
...In the unlikely event any of you are still awake, I appreciate your comments, value your opinions, and will now fade back into the oblivion of magazine publishing. This forum stuff is exhausting!
Mike Panozzo
Billiards Digest
Hey, Jeff, hope you're well.
Let me add that Mike is a fantastic Master of Ceremonies. He did a wonderful job running the show at the recent Hall of Fame Dinner.
You and I don't always agree, Dave (as a matter of fact, we seldom do), but I couldn't agree with you more on this one. To say that Barry Hearn has done more for American pool than the people you listed is, well, more than a little far-fetched.
I also agree with Jennie; the BCA doesn't care what we think.
Roger
G'day Dave
I would read this statement to mean 'The Game' of American Pool, not Pool in America.
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As for the Hall of Fame selection committee, I believe that it now includes only members of the billiard media, but I might be confused.
Players like Efren Reyes, Francisco Bustamante, and Ralf Souquet may not be American but they spent much of their playing careers competing in America, had great success playing in America, and added a lot to American pool.
Would you exclude non-Americans form the baseball hall of fame? Some of the greatest ever were foreign born and, just to name a few, Roberto Clemente, Juan Marichal and Tony Perez. Japan's Ichiro Suzuki will surely be inducted soon. Guys like these added so much to American baseball.
I can see an argument for restricting player inductions to those who competed significantly in America, but omitting foreigners would be inappropriate.