Mike Sigel forfeit in World 14-1 - Matchtime changed from 1 to 11...

RBC said:
Superstar,

That is a very good plan, but I think it would be overkill.

Think about it. Tournaments happen all the time, all over the world and you just don't hear about this kind of thing happening. Your system would fix the problem, but it really should not be needed.

I have a couple of friends there who were planning on watching that match at 1:00, only to find out that it had been moved. They were in the room, and did not know about the change until Mike got upset.

If a TD Changes the times of a match it should only be after he has spoken with both affected players. Period! If he can't reach the players, then he should not change the time. Period!

Royce Bunnell
www.obcues.com
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We're on the same page Royce. Somebody dropped the ball, and they know who they are. There is a lot of responsibility that goes with running a tournament, and it shouldn't be taken lightly. Otherwise bad things can and often do happen.

I'm not Mike's biggest fan, but he does deserve a fair chance. LIke most of us, I'd like to know what really happened. In all my years of running tournaments when Mike was an active player, I can't remember one instance of him ever misreading the board. He was always pretty careful about checking his match times, and if he was unsure he would ask me to confirm.

I don't think I ever had to forfeit him. In fact, I'm sure of it.
 
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BVal said:
Holy smokes enzo - do you have anything positive to say? you are 3 for 3 today. Cheer up bud.

BVal
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did you read the one directly above yours?? not to mention your post has a very negative connotation to it. get with it man :)
 
I edited my original post. It was about 11:15 that the forfeit was announced. After they did all the intros of all the players they gave Mike a 10 minute grace period and announced the forfeit.

Mike did stick his head in the room like I said. he would have had to come back in proper attire, vest shoes dress shirt, etc. Maybe he was so pissed he said the hell with it.

John Schmidt and Bobby Hunter remember seeing it as a 1:00 match the night before when it was posted. John had said. Good, We'll be able to watch them after my match is done.

Haven't heard anything from the promoters as to why it was switched or if they admit it was.

Siegel beat Bernie Pettipiece in the match on the losers side.
 
dmgwalsh said:
I edited my original post. It was about 11:15 that the forfeit was announced. After they did all the intros of all the players they gave Mike a 10 minute grace period and announced the forfeit.

Mike did stick his head in the room like I said. he would have had to come back in proper attire, vest shoes dress shirt, etc. Maybe he was so pissed he said the hell with it.

John Schmidt and Bobby Hunter remember seeing it as a 1:00 match the night before when it was posted. John had said. Good, We'll be able to watch them after my match is done.

Haven't heard anything from the promoters as to why it was switched or if they admit it was.

Siegel beat Bernie Pettipiece in the match on the losers side.
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if this did in fact happen, let me just say that i feel this should NEVER happen, not even once. if a match is changed for any reason, the coordinator should make sure first hand that every player under the time change knows about it, if the coordinator can't get a hold of somebody, then a forfeit just shouldn't be a possibility. it really isn't rocket science. isn't this true jay and all you event guys, i mean it just cant be that hard. this is all assuming these guys did in fact screw up and change the times of course.

this leads me to another subject, why do we have announcers announcing (loudly) upcoming matches during events right DURING, and usually toward the crucial end games, matches??? we need to get with it, again, no rocket science involved. it just seems like common sense to me. you know what comes to mind, tiger woods. if he hears a pin drop he goes ballistic. i guess he couldnt be a pool player.
 
I know I am a pain lol but any info on who Dechaine is playing and how he is doing. No live updates besides you great people posting on here is killing me

thanks to everyone for the updates
 
dmgwalsh said:
Mike did stick his head in the room like I said. he would have had to come back in proper attire, vest shoes dress shirt, etc. Maybe he was so pissed he said the hell with it.
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Maybe some people aren't aware there is a dress code for this tournament. I'm not a huge fan of Mike's either, but he usually knows when he's supposed to play, as Jay said.
 
Pushout said:
Maybe some people aren't aware there is a dress code for this tournament. I'm not a huge fan of Mike's either, but he usually knows when he's supposed to play, as Jay said.
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Danny seemed to know when to play. Someone definetely screwed up but I don't think it was Mike or Danny.

BVal
 
enzo said:
if this did in fact happen, let me just say that i feel this should NEVER happen, not even once. if a match is changed for any reason, the coordinator should make sure first hand that every player under the time change knows about it, if the coordinator can't get a hold of somebody, then a forfeit just shouldn't be a possibility. it really isn't rocket science. isn't this true jay and all you event guys, i mean it just cant be that hard. this is all assuming these guys did in fact screw up and change the times of course.

this leads me to another subject, why do we have announcers announcing (loudly) upcoming matches during events right DURING, and usually toward the crucial end games, matches??? we need to get with it, again, no rocket science involved. it just seems like common sense to me. you know what comes to mind, tiger woods. if he hears a pin drop he goes ballistic. i guess he couldnt be a pool player.
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A good TD would NEVER move a match time up, only back if other matches are running long. And even then he would do whatever is possible to inform both players that their match has been moved back.

Now, if the night before, a decision is made to move a match forward, it is incumbent on the TD to make CERTAIN both players know about this change. If he is unable to do this, then NO changes should be made until he is able to inform both players, and give them ample time to prepare.

You cannot assume that somebody else (a friend or whatever) will tell a player his match time has been changed. I am beginning to see a pattern here, and it is not a good one.
 
BVal said:
Danny seemed to know when to play. Someone definetely screwed up but I don't think it was Mike or Danny.

BVal
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Doesn't sound like something Scott Smith would do either. He's been a TD for, what, 20+ years, at least?
 
BVal said:
Danny seemed to know when to play. Someone definetely screwed up but I don't think it was Mike or Danny.

BVal
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It's very possible someone got the word to Danny.
 
forgive the ot, one more rare addition to the ignore list. BVal, sorry but you have gotta to make remarks that are up to par with only the first class idiots to make that list. I think i've put three people on in 5 years. It really is true. So, congradualtions on finally being one of the best at something in your life.
 
jay helfert said:
It's very possible someone got the word to Danny.
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I know I am confused as to why the same word wasn't given to Sigel.

enzo - thanks for the rep - I returned it to you although mine was a little more positive and a little more green :)

BVal
 
enzo said:
forgive the ot, one more rare addition to the ignore list. BVal, sorry but you have gotta to make remarks that are up to par with only the first class idiots to make that list. I think i've put three people on in 5 years. It really is true. So, congradualtions on finally being one of the best at something in your life.
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Thanks bud. I am finally the best at something. If it makes you feel any better you just joined CooCooboloCowboy. If you want to cry send me a pm. Don't mud up this thread.

BVal
 
BVal said:
I know I am confused as to why the same word wasn't given to Sigel.

enzo - thanks for the rep - I returned it to you although mine was a little more positive and a little more green :)

BVal
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Now that's the million dollar question. If someone did in fact tell Danny of a change in match times, that answers the question as to whether the times were changed. It now becomes equally important to also inform Sigel.
 
there is another explaination before we go jumping on anyone with incomplete information:

Maybe Sigel didn't want to play for some wierd reason. Maybe he was contacted about the change in time, but pretended not to know.

just playing devil's advocate here
 
jondrums said:
there is another explaination before we go jumping on anyone with incomplete information:

Maybe Sigel didn't want to play for some wierd reason. Maybe he was contacted about the change in time, but pretended not to know.

just playing devil's advocate here
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Doubtful.

Just ask yourself these simple questions...

Have you ever heard of Mike Sigel confusing his match times?
Have you ever heard of Mike Sigel forfeiting a match because he failed to show?
Have you ever heard of him being late to anything?

I haven't.
 
I was sitting there waiting to watch the match. Mike did come in the room wearing shorts and t shirt. He yelled across the room that he was told the match was at 1 not 11. He walked out. The match was called a forfeit at 11:15. I stayed in the room to watch other matches. Some people said Mike was arguing out in the hall. NOBODY said anything about someone getting slapped. I think that would have spread like wildfire.
Mike played his 3:00 pm match on the losers side. He played extremely well. He won something like 150 to 52. He did not seem upset, and he was his usual self talking to the crowd. He plays again at 10 pm. If he wins the forfeit didn't matter. If he loses he is out.
 
jondrums said:
there is another explaination before we go jumping on anyone with incomplete information:

Maybe Sigel didn't want to play for some wierd reason. Maybe he was contacted about the change in time, but pretended not to know.

just playing devil's advocate here
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Why should there be a change of time? Not like this is golf or something where it is play outdoors so timing could change due to foul weather. I have never heard of such callous scheduling in a major event. And it seems to be happening on a regular basis! Either the organizers are crap or the focus on this event was never about pool.

And people ask why pool is not in the Olympic.
 
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