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When I click on the page it comes up for a second then goes back to your thread. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
When I click on the page it comes up for a second then goes back to your thread. Johnnyt


It did the same to me. It automatically minimizes on the bottom toolbar. I just clicked on it and it popped right back up.
 
hate to say it but everything Don Mackey says is completely true about mixing the men and woman pro players! the top pro females can't even win regional mens tournements where the top male pros are'nt even there! it's funny how our events are open, and there events all say womans, or ladies!LOL.........if you get past the top 10 woman in the world, they can barely run 5 balls consistantly. if you don't believe go watch one of the regional ladies tours, like the ladies spirit tour in FL, or just go to pro pool video .com and watch some of the matches from the ladies spirit tour! it's like watching two beginners play!
 
instroke75 said:
hate to say it but everything Don Mackey says is completely true about mixing the men and woman pro players! the top pro females can't even win regional mens tournements where the top male pros are'nt even there! it's funny how our events are open, and there events all say womans, or ladies!LOL.........if you get past the top 10 woman in the world, they can barely run 5 balls consistantly. if you don't believe go watch one of the regional ladies tours, like the ladies spirit tour in FL, or just go to pro pool video .com and watch some of the matches from the ladies spirit tour! it's like watching two beginners play!

There are quite a few women who can play pretty good, I think any ink is good ink, make the pockets bigger which will make it tougher for the guys to win. For the battle of the sexs not to be shown I feel is a much bigger mistake than a WPBA pro getting beat by a man. The WPBA miscued by not having Allison or Karen or Jasmin play Sigel, that was a huge mistake, toss a lamb in their big deal, it was news when Billie Jean King won against a nobody.
For the WPBA to posture up and say the men have no tour and that is their reasoning is self serving, not looking at the big picture. But what's new, when have American billiard organizations had any vision, John Lewis and the ACS may be the way out, ck out his most recent press release 3-2-07.
 
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Hey! ESPN! We want the boys to play nine-ball against the girls!
By Joseph Nocera
Posted Wednesday, June 28, 2000, at 9:00 PM ET

Well, whaddya know? It turns out that my idea of pitting men against women in a Battle of the Sexes nine-ball tournament, which I floated in my recent paean to the great Allison Fisher, is not exactly an original one in the world of professional billiards. "The idea has been tossed around for a long time," says Lisa Stancati, the executive director of the Women's Professional Billiards Association. "We've had promoters come to us who would love to stage it." But, she adds ominously, "It's just not something we're prepared to do right now." Sigh.

Here are her two big objections. First, the men's tour, according to her, is in a state of disarray. It has no TV contract, its players are less well known than the top women nine-ball players, and it has fewer sponsorships and smaller purses. Though she wouldn't say so directly, she gave the distinct impression that she wasn't much interested in helping to bail out the men's tour by giving the men the kind of billing—and TV time—that the women's tour now has. In fact, she didn't sound much interested in having any dealing at all with the men's tour, at least not until it got its act together.

Second, Stancati said, a mixed-sex tournament is a non-starter without the "big-time backing" of a TV network—including (and these are her exact words) "a huge rights fee." Clearly, this position stems at least in part from her general frustration with ESPN, which not only doesn't promote the tournaments it televises, it doesn't even pay for them. The cost of staging the events—about $240,000 for six tournaments—is picked up by the tour itself, which hands the network three pre-cut hours of television for each of six tournaments. "We give them 18 original hours of television," she said, sounding annoyed at the way ESPN uses that programming. "I encourage you to contact ESPN with your complaints about its lackluster scheduling," she told me.

How are the ratings? "Pretty damn good for something that gets zero promotion," Stancati said; when the tournaments are shown in prime time, they get around a 1 rating—which is to say, right up there with CNN or MSNBC on most nights. And what does she mean by a "huge" rights fee? "I'm certainly not going to mention any numbers in public," she replied.

I can't blame her for that; I wouldn't reveal it either if I were in her shoes. Still, it sounds to me that she should put her annoyance aside and enter into negotiations if a network steps up. How about it, ESPN?
 
Just about everyone thats played pool in a poolroom for a few years or more know that the top 20 men are stonger than the top 20 women. But the general public doen't know this and the WPBA wants to keep it this way. Its just good business. Johnnyt
 
understatement

Johnnyt said:
Just about everyone thats played pool in a poolroom for a few years or more know that the top 20 men are stonger than the top 20 women. But the general public doen't know this and the WPBA wants to keep it this way. Its just good business. Johnnyt
the top 1000 men are better than the top 20 woman but the general public does not know that and the WPBA wants to keep it that way!
 
Not to mention

that local and regional ladies events only draw 1/4 to 1/3 of the players that the Open events draw, so the competition level is usually not nearly as high.
 
The female players can be real crowd pleasers.

Are you bringing this article foward because you do not want the women at the tourney.
 
I'm pretty sure Chicks with Sticks is a porno. And I'm pretty sure that I have it.
 
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however the women would fare,,the men have zilch power on tv, and this is where it all counts. forget about who would win, this is about entertainment, and no one cares about the men. to joe shmoe couch potato, the women shoot great.
 
bruin70 said:
however the women would fare,,the men have zilch power on tv, and this is where it all counts. forget about who would win, this is about entertainment, and no one cares about the men. to joe shmoe couch potato, the women shoot great.

When Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs, "Bobby Riggs Who?" the world knew who Billie Jean was, no one outside of tennis knew Bobby. Do the same, take a very likeable, outspoken, colorful gambler pool player that plays well and make this the challenge of the sexes, not Johnny Archer against WPBA chosen one. The sizzle sells to America not the name of the American male player. If I was to guess, Bobby Riggs was NOT even a pro tennis player when he matched up and lost to Billie Jean, he was a gambler/hustler.
My vote would be, Dave Gomez against Janette Lee.
 
Not much has changed in seven years. The men have no real, sustainable tour. The ladies have a tour that has grown consistently for thirty years. The ladies still draw a decent rating on ESPN, but don't have a deal with ESPN.

If the men pros play thiiiis much better than the lady pros, the ladies market themselves thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis much better than the men.
 
If they ever have a Battle of the Sexes it would have to be Jeanette Lee against Earl or Mike. Everyone knows Lee and Mike and Earl have big mouths, like to brag, and are known by a lot of people also. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
If they ever have a Battle of the Sexes it would have to be Jeanette Lee against Earl or Mike. Everyone knows Lee and Mike and Earl have big mouths, like to brag, and are known by a lot of people also. Johnnyt

Roger Griffis would be way better than Earl, Earl is way too unpredictable.
 
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