Mosconi Cup 2012 Day (4) Discussion

Why the not give jh MVP? It s realy shomtihing. I am europian fan put Jhonny was for sure the best player in mosconi cup!!! Sory if a am not so good whit engles!!!

The MVP is chosen from the winning team.

Melling was the right choice IMO for the Euro's. He was a monster and his confidence had to inspire his teammates.

Johnny cemented his legacy this year. He really made a great showing of leadership, heart and execution.
 
That last match was UGLY. Sad to see its over. Johnny was MVP in my mind. He kept us alive all week.




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Johnny played awesome the whole tournament!

After the USA made such a come back in the first three matches watching that last match hurt. I was so excited thinking that the USA was going to pull it out, but it wasn't meant to be. I know Mike is a good player, but he was showing the pressure at the end.

I got to watch more of the Mosconi cue this year than I have in the past and I really enjoyed it. ESPN 3 did a great job and the broadcast was great, but I wish the ending had worked out in the USA's favor.

James
 
The MVP is chosen from the winning team.

Melling was the right choice IMO for the Euro's. He was a monster and his confidence had to inspire his teammates.

Johnny cemented his legacy this year. He really made a great showing of leadership, heart and execution.

The two matches between Shane and Darren, in which each scored a blowout victory, has further whetted my appetite for their TAR match in January.

Much to look forward to. Derby City and TAR 30. Yup, January is looking awfully good.
 
You certainly can't blame the loss on one person as the team wins and loses as a whole. But one player clearly played the worst for USA. He missed way too many shots in key matches.

I realize Johnny was far and away our best player but one of our players struggled immensely IMHO. I get the fact that the pressure is not something many can take. I can't imagine playing under those circumstances.
 
I agree no blame should be made on any player, but TODAY everyone played good except Mike.

It aint over yet though!!!!

Ray

couldn't tune out. :o

lmao. Hatch played awful. Was fortunate the guy spoon fed him the last 2 games

And trust me, i was pullin for u.s. as I bet them. I thought I had too as europe had one of thier weakest teams ever, but we did too. And it got us in the end.
 
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The crowd at York hall is as disrespectful and disruptive as they are because they are allowed to be, and even encouraged to be so. I don't blame the defeat on them, but it should be pointed out.
 
The crowd at York hall is as disrespectful and disruptive as they are because they are allowed to be, and even encouraged to be so. I don't blame the defeat on them, but it should be pointed out.

Allowed to be and encouraged ? Im sorry, where was that and who encouraged them ?

It should also be pointed out that 3 years ago when US won it in Vegas, Hatch was disruptive and disrespectful. And guess what ? He got MVP that year. Not to mention how Earl acted throughout all the years.

Lets take Shane yesterday and Shane today. Same guy, same crowd, same place, same balls, same table, same opponent ! Did you see a difference ? I sure did and hats off to him. Oh, not to mention Archer. Without him, USA would've been home yesterday. So hats off to both.

Problem is lack of experience and confidence. Shuff looked like an amateur for almost all his matches. Dechaine and Hatch, sub par.
 
I admit my comments are from what I saw and heard on the stream, and the thread about the comment about JA's wife. When the refs continually have to admonish the crowd to be quiet, there's a problem. The team captain got up and waved the crowd to get louder, to me, it's unnecessary.

This kind of stuff doesn't happen at the British Open, or even the Ryder Cup. Why should pool allow the drunkards to carry on in any manner they wish. Now I know why Earl is like he is sometimes.
 
I admit my comments are from what I saw and heard on the stream, and the thread about the comment about JA's wife. When the refs continually have to admonish the crowd to be quiet, there's a problem. The team captain got up and waved the crowd to get louder, to me, it's unnecessary.

This kind of stuff doesn't happen at the British Open, or even the Ryder Cup. Why should pool allow the drunkards to carry on in any manner they wish. Now I know why Earl is like he is sometimes.

Fair enough, that comment towards Melanie was absolutely ludicrous and I would've punched that guy myself. As for the crowd...here's how they play the GB9 tour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ATgLkO9_wU

Completely different atmosphere than any tour or anything you've seen in the States. That's the environment in some of their tourneys.

And the europeans, completely different mentality, lifestyle, etc from the americans. They go out and have fun like watching a soccer match and cheering their "mates" on.

Same as if you watch any tour played in Phillippines. The "hum" of the crowd is persistent...
 
"This kind of stuff doesn't happen at the British Open, or even the Ryder Cup. Why should pool allow the drunkards to carry on in any manner they wish. Now I know why Earl is like he is sometimes. "

You forget the "f... you Seve" shout at the Ryder Cup? I'm fairly sure you can find that and other classless heckles on youtube and no it wasn't anyone from Europe shouting. Drunks and morons aren't stuck on one continent.
 
I haven't followed one bit of this thread since the cup started today. Since I just stop moving since 7am I would like to know if there is anywhere I can watch the reply. I guess the bastards at ESPN have blocked me from watching the reply!! :angry:!!!!! Any help would be appreciated :grin-square:
 
I haven't followed one bit of this thread since the cup started today. Since I just stop moving since 7am I would like to know if there is anywhere I can watch the reply. I guess the bastards at ESPN have blocked me from watching the reply!! :angry:!!!!! Any help would be appreciated :grin-square:

Have you been able to watch ESPN3 previously? I'm still seeing all the replays.

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index#type/replay/sport/billiards/

Ray
 
I didn't have a dog in this fight, but I enjoyed watching this year's Mosconi Cup, and I watched a good deal of it.

Things I'd like to comment on:

York Hall and its 'atmosphere': Tough place to fade, but I think it's clear that the US team needs to actively train to overcome the hometown crowds. Culturally, there are some differences here, but some lessons from Philippine players on staying focused while being sharked/distracted might help. Practicing in loud bars might be useful:grin-square:

Individuality versus training as a team: It was pretty obvious to me that the European players have strategies and game plans, no doubt mapped out, coordinated, and tested. The US players looked more like several individuals playing the game. I saw little cohesion, and not much involvement from CJ Wiley (again, based on watching the stream; I wasn't there), whereas Johan was always close by. I think it's great that US players would tell each other things like, "Do what you want, I'm with you", but that suggests little actual strategy and pretty much nothing in the way of group orientation. It looked to me like the team with that strategized and practiced, as a team, won.

Bagging on Dechaine/Shuff/Hatch: I found this disappointing. Yes, these guys didn't perform to their potential, but few people, besides Archer and Melling, actually did either. Brandon looks like he has the right temperament to be a serious pool threat in short order, and Dechaine has that touch of bravado and brashness that makes him interesting to watch. The flip side of this is, Brandon needs seasoning, and Dechaine, when he crashes, does it full-on. Mike's only 25, he has time, and Shuff has nerves o' steel. Both these guys need to be supported, not thrown under the bus as soon as they miss/foul/play a questionable shot. Hatch is actually adored by the European crowds, because they need someone to hate, and Dennis steps in there admirably, albeit without quite as much crazy as Earl can bring. This was never so evident as at the end of the award ceremony this evening, when the partisan crowd began singing "In a Hatchet wonderland". Dennis dogged a few balls, but he is ok in my books, and he provides A LOT of support to the other US players.

Commentating: Normally, I like listening to Jay Helfert, but be wasn't much fun over the past few days. You know it's bad when Jim Wych seems like the objective one. I can only think that Jay's passion for the US team boiled over and turned into very vocal disappointment. He probably expected a lot of all the players, and when they didn't bring it, he let everyone know. I wish he had tempered his feelings a bit, and it would have been fine for him to let folks know he was pullin' for his boys. Co-host Andy did it about every three minutes...

Johnny Archer: I had a lot of respect for JA prior to this year's Cup, but I have even more now. I met him at a pool event in Calgary years ago, and he was polite and interested, and very approachable. He really is the very definition of what a pool could look like in North America: Dedicated, focused, gracious, and exacting. The way he bore up during the unfortunate incident involving his wife was nothing short of amazing. JA is the friggin' man, and has been for years.

Can't wait for next year's Cup!
 
I didn't have a dog in this fight, but I enjoyed watching this year's Mosconi Cup, and I watched a good deal of it.

Things I'd like to comment on:

York Hall and its 'atmosphere': Tough place to fade, but I think it's clear that the US team needs to actively train to overcome the hometown crowds. Culturally, there are some differences here, but some lessons from Philippine players on staying focused while being sharked/distracted might help. Practicing in loud bars might be useful:grin-square:

Individuality versus training as a team: It was pretty obvious to me that the European players have strategies and game plans, no doubt mapped out, coordinated, and tested. The US players looked more like several individuals playing the game. I saw little cohesion, and not much involvement from CJ Wiley (again, based on watching the stream; I wasn't there), whereas Johan was always close by. I think it's great that US players would tell each other things like, "Do what you want, I'm with you", but that suggests little actual strategy and pretty much nothing in the way of group orientation. It looked to me like the team with that strategized and practiced, as a team, won.

Bagging on Dechaine/Shuff/Hatch: I found this disappointing. Yes, these guys didn't perform to their potential, but few people, besides Archer and Melling, actually did either. Brandon looks like he has the right temperament to be a serious pool threat in short order, and Dechaine has that touch of bravado and brashness that makes him interesting to watch. The flip side of this is, Brandon needs seasoning, and Dechaine, when he crashes, does it full-on. Mike's only 25, he has time, and Shuff has nerves o' steel. Both these guys need to be supported, not thrown under the bus as soon as they miss/foul/play a questionable shot. Hatch is actually adored by the European crowds, because they need someone to hate, and Dennis steps in there admirably, albeit without quite as much crazy as Earl can bring. This was never so evident as at the end of the award ceremony this evening, when the partisan crowd began singing "In a Hatchet wonderland". Dennis dogged a few balls, but he is ok in my books, and he provides A LOT of support to the other US players.

Commentating: Normally, I like listening to Jay Helfert, but be wasn't much fun over the past few days. You know it's bad when Jim Wych seems like the objective one. I can only think that Jay's passion for the US team boiled over and turned into very vocal disappointment. He probably expected a lot of all the players, and when they didn't bring it, he let everyone know. I wish he had tempered his feelings a bit, and it would have been fine for him to let folks know he was pullin' for his boys. Co-host Andy did it about every three minutes...

Johnny Archer: I had a lot of respect for JA prior to this year's Cup, but I have even more now. I met him at a pool event in Calgary years ago, and he was polite and interested, and very approachable. He really is the very definition of what a pool could look like in North America: Dedicated, focused, gracious, and exacting. The way he bore up during the unfortunate incident involving his wife was nothing short of amazing. JA is the friggin' man, and has been for years.

Can't wait for next year's Cup!

Awesome post on so many levels. Albeit, I was unable to watch the last two days as I was out of pocket and only receiving text updates (thanks EZ Money!), so I am unable to fully comment on commentary and other things. :( Seems like Jay is taking a bit of negative feedback on his commentary. He's a friend, yet his passion for pool is undeniable. I trust he will take all this in with the level head he always has.

BTW, have they announced the MVP yet? I vote for Johnny (not that it counts), regardless of the close loss. He WAS the Most Valuable Player for either team, by FAR.

And #2 BTW: Johan is a demi-god. Congrats! (No threads for him? Seriously?)
 
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