Mosconi's 526 record...Who could break it???
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Lets get back on track. Jump cues can go to a different forum....or in the fireplace. Mosconi, straight pool, drunks, name calling and woofing only on this thread.
By the way, Louie Roberts had a high run over 400 and started out by making a ball on the break....I am looking into finding out the exact number. He had many runs over 200 and mostly quit cause he got bored. I also remember him telling me that in the Mosconis run, he missed in the 300's and the crowd let him keep going. But Louie was the only one that I ever heard this from.
By the way, Louie Roberts had a high run over 400 and started out by making a ball on the break....I am looking into finding out the exact number. He had many runs over 200 and mostly quit cause he got bored. I also remember him telling me that in the Mosconis run, he missed in the 300's and the crowd let him keep going. But Louie was the only one that I ever heard this from.
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pete lafond said:
And I don't think that SlipStic belongs in the game
If the players want to play then they should have a fundamental understanding of soap, water and towel usage to keep their hands and cues clean, dry and slippy.Seriously Pete, as one who is introducing a product designed to make one aspect of the game easier and more enjoyable shouldn't you be more "for" jump cues?
Do you honestly think that ANY player is going to be world class, or even half-way decent without a fairly sound understanding of kicking? The jump cue takes NOTHING away from the game it only adds to it.
I'll ask you the same question that I ask everyone, which is harder a three rail kick or a jump-three rail kick shot?
John
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sjm said:
Um, if someone were running into the hundreds at straight pool and he were faced with a jump shot being his only option to continue the run and he were able to do it and subsequently beat Willie's high run then he most certainly would have "outperformed" Willie. If by nothing more than having to have mastered another tool alongside the pool cue. I would almost be willing to bet my entire lifetime earnings, all 37 cents of them, that IF jump cues as they are today had been invented in the 50s then they would be as accepted today as tips and chalk. Willie and all the pros would have used them whenever they would have felt the need to do so.
Straight pool is not some holy shrine of pool that is reserved for the "masters". It is a game, with rules like any other. The object being to get as many balls in the hole as possible. The right way to play is to continue pocketing balls. Why should we care how it is done? It would be more of a feat to see someone break Mosconi's record or even run 100 balls with anything OTHER than a normal pool cue. I will give $1000 dollars to the first person who shows me a jump cue that makes jump shots by itself. Lay the cue on the floor and with no human or mechanical aid it must begin pocketing balls by causing the cueball to jump over blocking balls.
Until that day I will say that any straight pool player who continues a high run by jumping a ball is a HELL of a player and kudos to them. As long as they used no other device other than an inert object that they manipulated without aid then it's a good and sometimes great shot.
John
onepocketchump said:And I don't think that SlipStic belongs in the game
Seriously Pete, as one who is introducing a product designed to make one aspect of the game easier and more enjoyable shouldn't you be more "for" jump cues?
Do you honestly think that ANY player is going to be world class, or even half-way decent without a fairly sound understanding of kicking? The jump cue takes NOTHING away from the game it only adds to it.
I'll ask you the same question that I ask everyone, which is harder a three rail kick or a jump-three rail kick shot?
John
I just get annoyed in the pool hall when balls are always jumpiing on the floor. Seems like everyone goes for a jump first because it's easier to hit the ball. I know it's now part of the game, just doesn't make sense that it almost always is the first shot selection when hooked. (The better players know better and are selective)
The jump shot should almost always be the last choice. In most cases I can kick with more control then I can jump and I jump very well but unless the ball is near the hole I don't expect to make it just make a hit and hope. With a kick I ofter have a lot of control even kicking a ball safe or going off the ball and getting safe. A lot of players don't know when to and when not to use the jump cue. That could be a whold thread by itself.pete lafond said:
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pete lafond said:
I can agree with you here. This is why I think room owners are FAILING in thier duty to educate their customers on ALL aspects of the game.
Want to know why TAIWAN is better in pool? (Not that I think they are overall) Because EVERY poolroom has at least one house pro whose DUTY it is to train the customers and be available for advice.
They don't get annoyed when someone practices jump shots. Sometimes I feel as though room owners would prefer that no one play pool on their tables.
You wanna make sure no one jumps balls on the floor? Train them how to do it. For that matter I never see anyone helping the poor players who can't kick either. I have YET to walk into a pool room and see a flyer for a FREE jump/bank/kick whatever clinic. That's going to be MY "for pool" task. I'll let you all know how it goes.
John
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As far as being DRUNK goes - I once lost in the first round and had to play a well known national class player on the loser's side. So before the match I drank 3 or four rum -n- cokes pretty quickly figuring what the hell I might as well have fun. Somehow though it got me in the right buzz and I won the match pretty easily. So I figured why stop a good thing and kept drinking. In the next match however I could barely get to the table. )
Still had a gooooood time though that night.
John
)Still had a gooooood time though that night.
John
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macguy said:
How about the jump shot should be the "right" choice? I mean that it should be chosen because it is the best option for that particular shot coupled with the player's ability.
John - plays jump shots in one pocket - hence the handle.
onepocketchump said:How about the jump shot should be the "right" choice? I mean that it should be chosen because it is the best option for that particular shot coupled with the player's ability.
John - plays jump shots in one pocket - hence the handle.
I was playing a guy the other day who is a pretty decent shortstop and he made a jump with a full cue that just blew me away. The CB was about 1.5' from the impeding ball which was 1.5' away from the OB. He jumped the ball and drew the CB back about a foot for perfect shape. It was amazing!
Grady said:
C'mon Grady you better check your medication? I know it can have horrible side effects and I would suggest you quit believing what the psychs are telling you and go to a good medical doctor and get on a healthy diet with plenty of the proper vitamins but the side effects will probably be worse until these drugs are out of your system.
Wayne
Grady said:
Grady, Keith and I are only two folk trying to survive in tough times. FWIW, my whole world doesn't begin and end with pool, like yours.
I've got a full-time business, and it is not easy keeping up with Keith's tournament schedule. Because of his passion for the game/sport, we do continue to attend as many events as possible within our budget, and it is difficult.
I could post up quite a bit of dirt, and truth be told, I did and deleted it to exert a little damage control. It takes two to argue, and though you continue this dialogue with disregard for Keith as a pool player and a person, the most recent of which you label him as a "lowlife piece of junkie excrement," I am going to opt out of posting about a variety of topics in an effort to preserve the dignity of this forum.
JAM
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DDKoop said:Thanks Joey and don't take offense to my dust reference in Big_Jon's thread
Hey...it's TRUE!!
In an effort ...
to get back to the original subject, I had previously heard that
Mosconi had run 727 balls in practice, but did not have 2 witnesses
to the complete run. The reason I remember this so vividly is
because of the association to Boeing's 727 jet, and plus living
in Wichita, where Boeing used to be a force. Mosconi has always
been an idol of mine.
I saw Jimmy Caras give an exhibition when I was 14, and he was
an influence on me for pursuing Pool. Jimmy had kind of a nice
gentle humorous way about him, and I found him to be quite
entertaining and talented. To me, he was a player that, perhaps,
did not get as much credit as he should have had.
to get back to the original subject, I had previously heard that
Mosconi had run 727 balls in practice, but did not have 2 witnesses
to the complete run. The reason I remember this so vividly is
because of the association to Boeing's 727 jet, and plus living
in Wichita, where Boeing used to be a force. Mosconi has always
been an idol of mine.
I saw Jimmy Caras give an exhibition when I was 14, and he was
an influence on me for pursuing Pool. Jimmy had kind of a nice
gentle humorous way about him, and I found him to be quite
entertaining and talented. To me, he was a player that, perhaps,
did not get as much credit as he should have had.
JAM said:
I thought that JAM and Keith were minding their own business as far as I am concerned. I never posted anything to or about them. I am entitled to not like them and to have nothing to do with them. Then JAM saw fit to criticize me for calling Larry Liscotti a drunk. Again, I say: So what?
I knew Larry longer and far better than her or Keith. I'm perfectly willing to let the dirt go, JAM. Just leave me alone.
