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Mole Eye

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We've had quite a discussion about Mosconi"s high run and whether it will be broken. I guess this is along the same lines, but is there any record of how many 150 and outs there have been in competition, and who has done this the most?
 
Mole Eye said:
We've had quite a discussion about Mosconi"s high run and whether it will be broken. I guess this is along the same lines, but is there any record of how many 150 and outs there have been in competition, and who has done this the most?
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One way to answer that question is to look through your old copies of the BCA Rules and Records Book. The one I'm looking at (1993) only lists high runs for the US Open 14.1 tournaments. Crane 1966, Sigel 1989, Archer 1992, Sigel, 1992. Not all of those were in one inning.

Going back to the 1970 R&RB I see the additional runs:
Ponzi 153 in 1934 (may have been in a longer match)
Crane 160 against Mosconi 1951 (probably a longer match)
Procita 182 (on a 5x10 against Mosconi)
Mosconi 150 from Jimmy Moore's break, 1956
Balsis 150 from Worst's break, 1965

And from Wikipedia (may be in some R&RB):
Butera 150 against Allen Hopkins, 1973, in 21 minutes

And then there was Appleton's 200 and out.

George Rood told me a related story. He was spotting a guy 50-no-count in a games to 100. (Any run under 50 didn't count for George.) In one session he ran 100-and-out 11 times.
 
Bob Jewett said:
One way to answer that question is to look through your old copies of the BCA Rules and Records Book. The one I'm looking at (1993) only lists high runs for the US Open 14.1 tournaments. Crane 1966, Sigel 1989, Archer 1992, Sigel, 1992. Not all of those were in one inning.

Going back to the 1970 R&RB I see the additional runs:
Ponzi 153 in 1934 (may have been in a longer match)
Crane 160 against Mosconi 1951 (probably a longer match)
Procita 182 (on a 5x10 against Mosconi)
Mosconi 150 from Jimmy Moore's break, 1956
Balsis 150 from Worst's break, 1965

And from Wikipedia (may be in some R&RB):
Butera 150 against Allen Hopkins, 1973, in 21 minutes

And then there was Appleton's 200 and out.

George Rood told me a related story. He was spotting a guy 50-no-count in a games to 100. (Any run under 50 didn't count for George.) In one session he ran 100-and-out 11 times.
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George Chenier, 22 years North American snooker champion, ran 150 and out on Irving
Crane in 1963....first time it was done in a World championship.
 
pt109 said:
George Chenier, 22 years North American snooker champion, ran 150 and out on Irving
Crane in 1963....first time it was done in a World championship.
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Now I remember that one. It didn't get recorded in some BCA rule books because it was not the BCA that ran it.
 
What was the usual race during the Mosconi era? I mean, weren't there round robin matches races to 100 or 125? It would be more interesting to see the stats for running out the set with a run that starts from 0 or negative points.
 
A bit tricky to answer, but i think it can be answered with some digging.
Consider also that once upon a time, matches were only to 125. And sometimes, the winner was looking for, say 500 or 1000 balls over several days play, via a given number of sets per day...so even with a 150+, there was no "out"..
 
Mr. Bond said:
Read the third paragraph of this article:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5412125&postcount=377

I have to believe, at least for now, that Mosconi has "run out", no matter what the number, more than anyone in history
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So Willie ran 125-out 9 times and had an over a 100 run 58 times. 58 !!! :eek:
And that was only in 1941 world championships. The career total number for 100s and 125s has to be mind-boggling. That is just insane and gives a good picture why Willie Mosconi was the greatest straight pool player ever and still holds the world record run.
 
plus you have to figure in today's era, including the Worlds 14.1 which in the round robin the games are to 100 points, its only in the later stages of the tournament that the game score jumps up to 150.
 
Nick Varner has some absolutely crazy stats in straight pool. Any Varner fans out there who can share some of his accomplishments?
 
Mole Eye said:
We've had quite a discussion about Mosconi"s high run and whether it will be broken. I guess this is along the same lines, but is there any record of how many 150 and outs there have been in competition, and who has done this the most?
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When Mosconi was on the road for Brunswick he ran out so many times it would make you sick. He would run a 100 or more almost every match often running out first inning. I saw him run 125 and out twice in a row the same day.
 
I know it isn't "the most" but in 2009 Oliver Ortmann ran 100 and out in the final two matches of the preliminary round and followed that with a 150 and out vs Earl Herring. 3 consecutive matches for a total of 350 and out.

The Herring match is on an accustats video with Ortmann doing commentary.
 
I don't know about any of that with regards to stats, but what I do know is that it's nice to see someone talking about real pool for a change in the main forum. :thumbup:
 
I consider 150 (or 125 if that was the old time race) and out comparable to the 147 in snooker. If you would, who has witnessed such a feat, and who performed it? I saw Dallas West run 150 and out at a college exhibition some 40 years ago, which was the most impressive feat I've ever witnessed in pool. He made it look easy while doing it.
 
I remember reading a 14.1 article written by George Fels that said in one period during Mosconi's dominance,the World Championship was a 16 man double round robin format,with the 2 players with the best records playing a 3000 point final that would spread out over several locations and dates.

Mosconi ran a 125-out against EVERYONE in one of their 2 matches.

He supposedly did that twice,much like Ricky Carmichael winning 2 AMA Motocross championships undefeated.

On slow cloth,with clay balls,unforgiving pockets,and for the most part,a Rambow which is a pretty crude instrument compared to even his later Balabushka,much less the equipment available today.

Can you imagine what he would have done on even a standard pocketed Diamond or Gold Crown with fresh Simonis and clean balls? Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
I remember reading a 14.1 article written by George Fels that said in one period during Mosconi's dominance,the World Championship was a 16 man double round robin format,with the 2 players with the best records playing a 3000 point final that would spread out over several locations and dates.

Mosconi ran a 125-out against EVERYONE in one of their 2 matches.

He supposedly did that twice,much like Ricky Carmichael winning 2 AMA Motocross championships undefeated.

On slow cloth,with clay balls,unforgiving pockets,and for the most part,a Rambow which is a pretty crude instrument compared to even his later Balabushka,much less the equipment available today.

Can you imagine what he would have done on even a standard pocketed Diamond or Gold Crown with fresh Simonis and clean balls? Tommy D.
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I think its strange that better records were not kept or there simply isnt any access to the records that do exist at the BCA or other governing bodies from that era. Is there any kind of effort to make such information accessible to the general public?

Yes, Mosconi was the best straight pool player of that era. I have played on tables form that era with clay balls and old Simonis cloth. I did pretty well as a kid on an 8 foot table with near 5 inch pockets. Knights of Columbus hall always had a table or 4. I remember stealing an old ball from the hall to crack it open and see what was inside. I was not a good boy.

Lesh
 
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