Moves And Other Sharking Techniques at DCC

Thats a good picture Joey

Bigtruck said:
This is a young Joey A. I wasn't there but I heard he was saying," did you just wave your towel?"

Shows character. You got that same look in the AZ room, the first time you started to shoot from the rail and hit the wall. WTF...... How can you play one pocket, when you can't shoot from the rail, at the headstring end of the table? It's the perfect place to trap someone.
I'm assuming you were standing on a bar stool chalking your cue, so you could see what your opponent was shooting??????
 
The cell phone sharking is easily prevented. Western BCA 9 ball tournament at the coast, it was announced and posted: Any player whose cell phone rings during a match? Instant ball in hand for his opponent.
 
JoeyA said:
I see that posters have included sharks from other tournaments other than the DCC and that is hardly a hijacked thread and so I will share another one which I observed.

At another tournament, Player A was in dead punch and subject to beat anyone in the world at that point in time.

The tournament director was sitting at the table watching the match in progress. Player A got down on an important shot (facing the direction of his opponent) and as he was stroking Player B started sanding his shaft with a frenzied motion that would shock anyone except someone who was completely blind. Player A got up off the shot and gave the WTF look and gestured with his hands. Player B then acknowledged the error of his ways and stopped sanding his shaft. As Player A got back down on his critical shot and in the final stages of pulling the trigger, Player B cocked his head up quickly toward where the rail birds were located and started an animated conversation with lots of head movement.

The tournament dirctor never uttered a word. Maybe it is not the job of a tournament director to stop sharking as I don't know if that is their responsibility or not.

Player A pulled the trigger and missed the shot by a diamond and it was only an average difficult shot but so critical that the double sharking proved fatal. It was the beginning of the match and Player A was sharked out of stroke completely. It was a sad state of affairs. Player A was angry but controlled his anger but could no longer control his stroke. Player A lost the tournament because Player B double sharked him.

I think I will continue to address any type of sharking and like I said, players who shark me the second time will not like it and I don't care who it is. They might be able to whip my ass on the table or off but they are going to come out on the losing end because when I sink my teeth into something it is hard for me to let go. It will take more than a stick across my head to make me quit and I guess I am just fed up with the sharking and am just not going to take it anymore.

For the record, those who feign ignorance of their sharking, I will give them one chance in life. After that, they will hear and feel scorn that they never imagined regardless of who they are.

One of my new and good friends (that I met at the DCC from overseas no less) suggested that I do what they do and that is to simply look at the person and wait until they stop doing the distraction because it will make them look stupid. I beg to differ and believe that these people are so callous that more has to be done to alter their behavior.

Anyway, I hope that sharking becomes less and less as it is exposed and I urge all players to deal with sharking as they please. For me, it will be direct and immediate.

For those who say that their opponent will have to be dancing in front of them for it to bother them, I call BS or it is is just that they have never been in a difficult tournament or never had a large sum of money bet.

People shark because it works regardless of whether someone thinks it doesn't and they shark because they get away with it.

But that is all coming to an end for me...........

I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! :angry: :angry: :angry: :D ;)

JoeyA
Good thread Joey. A while back I was wagering $100 on a 125 straight pool game. I needed 10 or so balls. My opponent was "practicing on the next table while I was shooting". He was also talking to railbirds quite a bit during the game. I missed an easy out, he won. I did not say anything and swore never to play him again-to myself. Some how we get this message from some that "we shouldn't let sharking bother us" usually non-competitors. I've confronted many over the last 20 years on sharking; almost got in fights over it. Early in my pool career-(part time), I to sharked, but as I emotionally grew up, and realized the error of my ways, I can truly say for many, many years I've done my best not too. Thanks for the thread. It compels me to continue being assertive and hopefully not aggressive.
 
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I was shocked on three instances when popular "great " players pulled what I can described as cheating plain and simple. I just didn't realize these things go on in major tourneys. Money games to me are a diff ball of wax. I still can't believe the things I saw players, who I will not name, did to win matches. I have only lost respect for them not the game itself.
 
jacob said:
I was shocked on three instances when popular "great " players pulled what I can described as cheating plain and simple. I just didn't realize these things go on in major tourneys. Money games to me are a diff ball of wax. I still can't believe the things I saw players, who I will not name, did to win matches. I have only lost respect for them not the game itself.

Give us the specific details of thge cheating without the names.

Maybe the cheaters will recognize themselves and change their ways.

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
I dont know if this guy did this intentionally or what, but i was playing a guy some 8ball on a 9ft table and its my turn and i get to the table and look for some chalk,,, and none to be found,, said guy is off by another table with all 3 pieces of chalk,, and i am like WTF.... he kept on doing it so finally i just kept one piece with me at all times and then gave him a nice azz whippin lol.
 
jay helfert said:
sjm said:
I saw these three things at Derby City:

1) One player played a shot with the bridge and, after missing, walked away from the table leaving the bridge on the table. That's not very classy in my book, and seems like a move to me.

If it were me, I would sit in my chair until he got up and put the bridge away. However long that took. He'd get the message after a while. :)

That's exactly what I would have done.

I told JoeyA that what I use to do when meeting player who do sharking moves, like talking to players on other tables, railbirds etc, I just stand up from my shot and look at them.

I can stand there looking at them for 2 minutes, till they get the message. I won't say a word.

JoeyA: regarding my chalk, I won't let a nit use my chalk.
 
After a foul one player grabbed the cue ball before it was able to run into the nine ball and alter the table. I think the game should be lost at this point. Not sure of the DCC rule

One playey " mistakenly" added the balls just pocketed by him with the balls sittin in his opponents basket and said he won the game and grabbed the balls and racked quickly so no objection could be made!

Another top player made a claim his opponent made a foul during a saftey attempt during a hill hill match with the 7, 8, 9 on the table. And the opponent, who was gettin the shaft, unscrewed his cue and left the playin arena, I guess just figured he would lose the argument to this "better player"
 
OK since we are talking general sharking now . . .

I really think that some of those pistol shots inside Shoppers Pool Hall were deliberate shark moves. You find out quick if you are shark proof when you try to stay down on the shot after a gun goes off!

Hu
 
ShootingArts said:
I really think that some of those pistol shots inside Shoppers Pool Hall were deliberate shark moves. You find out quick if you are shark proof when you try to stay down on the shot after a gun goes off!

Hu
Many years ago, I'd play in the Cicero all night bars with Jarvis, Ronnie the Hat, Rocketman, and others. Cicero is a Chicago suburb. Some people would sit bullets on their quarters so those challenging the tables would not get ahead of them. After a few Buds, Gin & Tonics/other, we'd just laugh about it. I think this would count as a shark move.
 
jay helfert said:
Please identify yourself. I'd like to know who is spreading lies about me.
12squared said:
I'll take one. Check your paypal. (and yes, you have to sign it):thumbup:

Dave Gross (I didn't add any comments in the payment)



Jay, a quick search of his posts - and he was not hard to find.
 
So, I gotta tell you that my sources say the story is pure fabrication.

It is also not especially cool to make something like this up when the man is right here in your midst.
 
Were they there? Most likly the only two people on this board who know what happened are Dave and Jay. Why not let them settle it via pm's. Jay is a well respected poster and tournament director and I'm sure is trying to protect his good name. I've met Dave Gross and can assure you he would no more competly fabricate a false story than you would.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
So, I gotta tell you that my sources say the story is pure fabrication.

It is also not especially cool to make something like this up when the man is right here in your midst.

How in the world could your sources know the story was purely fabricated from what has been told? How many 9-ball tournaments were held at Hard Times from say 1996 to 1999? Were your "sources" at all of them? Maybe Dave does have the wrong guy and it was a different director. If it was I bet he'll apologize profusely.

Hambone<---does'nt think much of Wilsons sources.
 
chevybob20 said:
Shark moves at DCC;

Argueing over racks for extended periods of time.

Taking a bathroom break after opponent gets in stroke.

Playing IPOD so loud that it could be heard in the crowd.

Making a loud anoying screeching sound with the chalk while chalking.

All of these done by players I like. Just wish they wouldn't do it.

I am sitting here wondering how loud the music must have been in the player's ear if it cold be heard in the crowd?

Taking a bathroom break is not sharking if it's done according to the rules.

Arguing over the rack is sharking if the rack is fine. If it's gaffed then expect a protest from me.

Screeching chalk IS annoying and amateurish.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
So, I gotta tell you that my sources say the story is pure fabrication.

It is also not especially cool to make something like this up when the man is right here in your midst.

No way on Earth is the story fabricated. Most likely it's more that Dave and Jay have different recollections of events and obviously Dave's has been with him for a long time. I bet Jay can't even remember it.

I know both guys and will vouch for the integrity of both of them. I am sure that Dave was ribbing Jay by mentioning it and I'd be willing to bet that Jay was probably joking about unintentionally sharking Dave with the walkie-talkie. I know that I'd have probably made a similar comment as a tongue-in-cheek apology for the distraction if I had accidentally sharked someone.

Disclaimer: I have talked to neither of them about this - whatever I say about the story is pure speculation but both guys are JAM UP GOOD PEOPLE.
 
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