MY VARNEY NIGHTMARE unbelievable

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WheatCues said:
I don't want to take sides and I'm not upholding Kevin for what he did either... I simply tried to offer some type of resolution and positive feedback that was desperatly needed before something very bad happened !!!

My integrety is NOT in question here KEVIN VARNEY's is !!!

I am all for keeping focus on the issue at hand so please do NOT make me a focal point and/or a target for treying to help everyone out !



- Eddie WHeat

Eddie,

With all due respect, YOU have made yourself the focal point. I never questioned your integrity and have no reason to. Just trying to keep the focus where it belongs.

Have a great night,
Koop
 
Koop said:
Eddie,

With all due respect, YOU have made yourself the focal point. I never questioned your integrity and have no reason to. Just trying to keep the focus where it belongs.

Have a great night,
Koop


No problem.. I wasn't upset at all I just want to keep the record straight !!!

I do NOT want my honest efforts expolited thats all !

I'm getting nothing out of this and risking alot just by getting involved in a neutral manner !


Sincerely nervous, Eddie Wheat
 
worriedbeef said:
and buddha162 - please enlighten me, what exactly is your business in this thread? you always seem to be in every varney thread stirring.

He was an annoying clown from the day he joined...if that's not enough of an explanation for you, use the search function. And if that's not satisfactory, then just dunwurboutit.

-roger
 
WheatCues said:
No problem.. I wasn't upset at all I just want to keep the record straight !!!

I do NOT want my honest efforts expolited thats all !

I'm getting nothing out of this and risking alot just by getting involved in a neutral manner !


Sincerely nervous, Eddie Wheat

Cool. Just realize that while you believe yourself to be neutral, others will see you as a talking head for Varney. Not something I would want right now, that's all.

Let him speak for himself or forever hold his tongue. It's his name and reputation and I know if it were me, I don't care what the mods said, I would want to make it right, PERSONALLY.
 
Koop said:
Cool. Just realize that while you believe yourself to be neutral, others will see you as a talking head for Varney. Not something I would want right now, that's all.

Let him speak for himself or forever hold his tongue. It's his name and reputation and I know if it were me, I don't care what the mods said, I would want to make it right, PERSONALLY.


Sound advice !!!!

It's amazing that no matter how honest and forthright your intentions and efforts are, there are those who will find something wrong with it and exploit it for all it's worth !!!

On that note I relinquish all future posts in this thread.... I offered assistance... I came through for you guys and now my job is done !!!!!

GOODLUCK EVERYONE !

Thanks KOOP !!!!




- Eddie Wheat
 
WheatCues said:
First off..... The system Moderaters asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!

Wise suggestion, that way his business can get run into the ground with speculation. He'd be a fool not to refund Cincy's money at this point in my most humble of opinions. Probably should have long ago and they both could have chalked it up to something that just didn't work out.
 
WheatCues said:
And I did exactly as I said I would.....

First off..... The system Moderaters asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!

I and Kevin talked for about 36 min. on the phone..... He assures you guys that EVERYTHING is fine !

He is hard at work... he has about 200 orders pending.... 30-40 cues in their final pass stage and about 20 orders ahead of CINCYMAN !!!

Kevin said he will not expedite CINCYMAN's order ahead of the other 20 becasue it's not fair to them..... He is under an extreme amount of pressure and since this is his only source of income as well as being a family man with a 5 month old child.. he has to play father,husband and cuemaker at the same time....

Yes he's overworked and overwhelmed with orders and as most of you know by now..... he's NOT taking anymore orders anytime soon !!!

He is the only laborer in his shop so it's a one-man operation and as a custom cuemaker I can relate to how exhausting that can be...thank god I'm NOT a family man or I would never get any work done in a REASONABLE amount of time !!!

Kevin asked me to assure you that CINCYMAN'S cue will be done shortly and he will be very impressed and happy with the results... He is also giving extra little additions "rings etc." to most of the pending orders at no charge just to show his appreciation for the unavoidable delays !!!

After talking with him for that length of time, in my very honest opinion is this:

Kevin is very overworked and under alot of family stress and is completely exhausted and I feel by his tone of voice and sincerety that all of you will get your cues with satisfactory craftsmanship in the near future, he did not in any way shape or form indicate that he's trying to screw anyone over... he just bit off a little more than he could chew.. and that can happen to anyone of us cuemakers in this market at any given time !

Once again I'm NOT siding with Kevin or any of you.. I am NEUTRAL in this matter....and I do NOT wish to become a liasion between you at all !!!!

I simply offered my help try to rectify this out of control issue and restore a little normality back into the world of AZ Billiards.......

I sincerely hope this brings a little peace of mind to the subject at hand and will avoid possible unneccessary legal procedures and/or lynching !!!



Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

Eddie first let me say no disrespect to you personally!!!!!

The system Moderators asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!

This statement is total Bull $hit if it were true I totally believe the Moderators would have posted that to this thread!!

He is hard at work... he has about 200 orders pending.... 30-40 cues in their final pass stage and about 20 orders ahead of CINCYMAN !!!


This statement is certainly a joke!!

He is under an extreme amount of pressure and since this is his only source of income as well as being a family man with a 5 month old child.. he has to play father,husband and cue maker at the same time....

This is mostly likely the only true statement in this entire post. Many of us are also family men, and we all understand how important taking care of families are. But, if Kevin was the family man he claims to be he would certainly not treat the people who feed and cloth his family in this manner. Has anyone else seen the other gentleman who recently posted to this thread that he has been going through this crap for two years and still hasn't received his cue!! Kevin, makes excuses for his bad behavior all the time, yet never comes clean and tell people the real story behind his behavior.

Kevin asked me to assure you that CINCYMAN'S cue will be done shortly and he will be very impressed and happy with the results... He is also giving extra little additions "rings etc." to most of the pending orders at no charge just to show his appreciation for the unavoidable delays !!!

Kevin's solution to everything is something free, he is always trying to buy people off. None of this would be necessary if he only did the right thing. In fact, making the extra ring billets, and other special little favors only increase the time it will take to finish his work.

Kevin is very overworked and under alot of family stress and is completely exhausted and I feel by his tone of voice and sincerety that all of you will get your cues with satisfactory craftsmanship in the near future, he did not in any way shape or form indicate that he's trying to screw anyone over... he just bit off a little more than he could chew.. and that can happen to anyone of us cuemakers in this market at any given time

I totally agree Kevin is under a great deal of stress, however it all do to his business dealings with others, and what he calls good customer service.

I sincerely hope this brings a little peace of mind to the subject at hand and will avoid possible unneccessary legal procedures and/or lynching !!!

Legal actions by forum members who have been taken is certainly the way to deal with Kevin. Done as a group the point should be easy to hammer home, and this gentleman will be stopped.
 
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I'll bet you this thread has more exclamation (!!!!!!) than any other thread.

I'll check all threads and get back to you.....

AND YOU! AND YOU! AND YOU!!!!!!:groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho: :groucho:
 
manwon said:
This is mostly likely the only true statement in this entire post. Many of us are also family men, and we all understand how important taking care of families are. But, if Kevin was the family man he claims to be he would certainly not treat the people who feed and cloth his family in this manner. Has anyone else sen the other gentleman who recently posted to this thread that he has been going through this crap for two years and still hasn't received his cue!! Kevin, makes excuses for his bad behavior all the time, yet never comes clean and tell people the real story behind his behavior.

I love how Varney is the only man alive with a family and has ANY kind of problems. Join the damn crowd because you are NOT the only one that has problems!

Everytime things go downhill for KV he is always quick to blame it on his family. Its always someone elses fault with him. That tells me enough about him there.
 
WheatCues said:
Sound advice !!!!

It's amazing that no matter how honest and forthright your intentions and efforts are, there are those who will find something wrong with it and exploit it for all it's worth !!!

On that note I relinquish all future posts in this thread.... I offered assistance... I came through for you guys and now my job is done !!!!!

GOODLUCK EVERYONE !

Thanks KOOP !!!!




- Eddie Wheat

Eddie if the Moderators told Kevin not to Respond they would have responded themselves in this thread to that effect. Eddie, while you are trying to help, you are doing nothing but being pulled into a situation that has gone very bad. You can not help or correct anything by getting involved. The only end that will come of this will be you being thrown into the Varney Camp, and your business being harmed by association with Kevin.

His behavior can't be excused or allowed to continue on this forum, if he has 200 orders he must certainly have some where else to peddle his cues. Because the Internet is not the place Kevin should do business, Kevin needs to do business with his customers face to face, that way he can always be contacted!!!!!!!;)
 
WheatCues said:
No problem.. I wasn't upset at all I just want to keep the record straight !!!

I do NOT want my honest efforts expolited thats all !

I'm getting nothing out of this and risking alot just by getting involved in a neutral manner !


Sincerely nervous, Eddie Wheat

Don't feel bad, if you post anything even remotely pro-varney in this thread, you are going to be crucified. Perhaps justifiably considering that there are some really, really pissed off people waiting for their cues.

I took the bait and responded with a few comments that I now regret. It's obvious that you were trying to help. However, I don't think it did anything but create further speculation and resentment. It appears to me that Kevin is basically just leaving others here to take the heat. The red rep that I've received from this thread is crazy. SOME of it was deserved.

My apologies to everyone including Cincyman and I sincerely hope that this matter has a successful solution for all those involved.

However, I don't think this episode is going to have a fairy tail ending. IMO
 
WheatCues said:
And I did exactly as I said I would.....

First off..... The system Moderaters asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!

I and Kevin talked for about 36 min. on the phone..... He assures you guys that EVERYTHING is fine !

He is hard at work... he has about 200 orders pending.... 30-40 cues in their final pass stage and about 20 orders ahead of CINCYMAN !!!

Kevin said he will not expedite CINCYMAN's order ahead of the other 20 becasue it's not fair to them..... He is under an extreme amount of pressure and since this is his only source of income as well as being a family man with a 5 month old child.. he has to play father,husband and cuemaker at the same time....

Yes he's overworked and overwhelmed with orders and as most of you know by now..... he's NOT taking anymore orders anytime soon !!!

He is the only laborer in his shop so it's a one-man operation and as a custom cuemaker I can relate to how exhausting that can be...thank god I'm NOT a family man or I would never get any work done in a REASONABLE amount of time !!!

Kevin asked me to assure you that CINCYMAN'S cue will be done shortly and he will be very impressed and happy with the results... He is also giving extra little additions "rings etc." to most of the pending orders at no charge just to show his appreciation for the unavoidable delays !!!

After talking with him for that length of time, in my very honest opinion is this:

Kevin is very overworked and under alot of family stress and is completely exhausted and I feel by his tone of voice and sincerety that all of you will get your cues with satisfactory craftsmanship in the near future, he did not in any way shape or form indicate that he's trying to screw anyone over... he just bit off a little more than he could chew.. and that can happen to anyone of us cuemakers in this market at any given time !

Once again I'm NOT siding with Kevin or any of you.. I am NEUTRAL in this matter....and I do NOT wish to become a liasion between you at all !!!!

I simply offered my help try to rectify this out of control issue and restore a little normality back into the world of AZ Billiards.......

I sincerely hope this brings a little peace of mind to the subject at hand and will avoid possible unneccessary legal procedures and/or lynching !!!



Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat
I apprexiate your help Mr. Wheat but his wife was preganat when he took my money and the fact he told you he had 20 AHEAD of me is the reason for one i DEMAND THE CUE AND MONEY AND YOU CAN TELL HIM THAT BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT HE LIED NOW... read this........... my last contact with KV on Jun 4th.........."Yours is very near complete....I just have 5-6 more that are ahead of you. You know how upset people get when they think I'm working out of line.
Thanks
KV"

And that was smart a$$ remark, and by that, i mean the last line when i sugested his friends might get better treatment.

I was surprised when my wife was pregnant and 9 months later she had a baby girl!! I told my teachers at college that and guess what they still made me do homework:eek:
 
Roadkill said:
Don't feel bad, if you post anything even remotely pro-varney in this thread, you are going to be crucified. Perhaps justifiably considering that there are some really, really pissed off people waiting for their cues.

I took the bait and responded with a few comments that I now regret. It's obvious that you were trying to help. However, I don't think it did anything but create further speculation and resentment. It appears to me that Kevin is basically just leaving others here to take the heat. The red rep that I've received from this thread is crazy. SOME of it was deserved.

My apologies to everyone including Cincyman and I sincerely hope that this matter has a successful solution for all those involved.

However, I don't think this episode is going to have a fairy tail ending. IMO

Thanks very much for being honest, and I for one except your apology. We all make mistakes, and your future actions will tell everyone if you learned from your's.

No hard feelings on my part for what that is worth!!

Have a good day!!!
 
I think the advice given to Varney would be to just stay away from AZ from now on, not just this thread. Furthermore, EW should give Cincyman and the others KV has refused to communicate with his number. Let him man up and actually speak with the paying customers.
 
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WheatCues said:
And I did exactly as I said I would.....

First off..... The system Moderaters asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!Just a B.S. line. If my rep. was on the line, I'd be here defending myself with the truth

I and Kevin talked for about 36 min. on the phone..... He assures you guys that EVERYTHING is fine !

He is under an extreme amount of pressure and since this is his only source of income as well as being a family man with a 5 month old child.. he has to play father,husband and cuemaker at the same time....
If I needed the money, I would go get a job at f'n Mcdonalds to feed my family. Hell, I would get 3 jobs if I had to. I certainly would not LIE to all my customers(tell them 60 days), to get their business to support myself. That's bordering on being a thief!

Varney decided to become a cuemaker, and that's not easy. Someone tell me why, if he can't make it, that its the customers fault(which he's making it)?

Kevin, maybe it's time to get some jobs, quit making cues, return everyone's money, and support your family in a way that's possible


Very Sincerely, Eddie Wheat

Note to Eddie, I'm not shooting the messanger, just responding to K.V.'s comments.
 
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cincyman said:
I apprexiate your help Mr. Wheat but his wife was preganat when he took my money and the fact he told you he had 20 AHEAD of me is the reason for one i DEMAND THE CUE AND MONEY AND YOU CAN TELL HIM THAT BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT HE LIED NOW... read this........... my last contact with KV on Jun 4th.........."Yours is very near complete....I just have 5-6 more that are ahead of you. You know how upset people get when they think I'm working out of line.
Thanks
KV"

And that was smart a$$ remark, and by that, i mean the last line when i sugested his friends might get better treatment.

I was surprised when my wife was pregnant and 9 months later she had a baby girl!! I told my teachers at college that and guess what they still made me do homework:eek:


Man, if you dont get your money AND your cue back, Im not gonna play you NOTHIN here in evansville., I dont play suckas!!!!!

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
manwon said:
Eddie first let me say disrespect to you personally!!!!!

The system Moderators asked Kevin NOT to respond to these threads and posts for obvious reasons !!!!!

This statement is total Bull $hit if it were true I totally believe the Moderators would have posted that to this thread!!

He is hard at work... he has about 200 orders pending.... 30-40 cues in their final pass stage and about 20 orders ahead of CINCYMAN !!!


This statement is certainly a joke!!

He is under an extreme amount of pressure and since this is his only source of income as well as being a family man with a 5 month old child.. he has to play father,husband and cue maker at the same time....

This is mostly likely the only true statement in this entire post. Many of us are also family men, and we all understand how important taking care of families are. But, if Kevin was the family man he claims to be he would certainly not treat the people who feed and cloth his family in this manner. Has anyone else seen the other gentleman who recently posted to this thread that he has been going through this crap for two years and still hasn't received his cue!! Kevin, makes excuses for his bad behavior all the time, yet never comes clean and tell people the real story behind his behavior.

Kevin asked me to assure you that CINCYMAN'S cue will be done shortly and he will be very impressed and happy with the results... He is also giving extra little additions "rings etc." to most of the pending orders at no charge just to show his appreciation for the unavoidable delays !!!

Kevin's solution to everything is something free, he is always trying to buy people off. None of this would be necessary if he only did the right thing. In fact, making the extra ring billets, and other special little favors only increase the time it will take to finish his work.

Kevin is very overworked and under alot of family stress and is completely exhausted and I feel by his tone of voice and sincerety that all of you will get your cues with satisfactory craftsmanship in the near future, he did not in any way shape or form indicate that he's trying to screw anyone over... he just bit off a little more than he could chew.. and that can happen to anyone of us cuemakers in this market at any given time

I totally agree Kevin is under a great deal of stress, however it all do to his business dealings with others, and what he calls good customer service.

I sincerely hope this brings a little peace of mind to the subject at hand and will avoid possible unneccessary legal procedures and/or lynching !!!

Legal actions by forum members who have been taken is certainly the way to deal with Kevin. Done as a group the point should be easy to hammer home, and this gentleman will be stopped.

Well that appears to be the end of the story. Maybe it is time for eveyone to
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Ding. Ding, Ding,

Roadkill said:
Congratulations....we've got a wiener! Sorry, I've been really busy in the bedroom lately, and I don't mean making pool cues. Give me a break. :rolleyes:
OK I count twice!!!!!!
 
Rodney said:
Note to Eddie, I'm not shooting the messanger, just responding to K.V.'s comments.

I agree with your comments, but I dont think he COULD refund everyones money. I think its already gone.:eek:
 
Add that up. 200 X 300 = $60,000+ in deposits he has TAKEN and no delivery on !!! FOR OVER A YEAR?????? I don't buy it!

Show me 200 people that would give him 100% payment up front, and I will show you the mirrors. Smoke and mirrors.

Sorry, Ted, my friend, I know how you hate seeing these kinds of threads, but there is NO excuse for taking people's money and playing with their heads like this guiy has beeen doing. I feel for his family to have to rely on him. His source of income can't. In most jobs, you would be fired for not delivering on your promises. Maybe, he needs a wake up call. This thread is that wake up call.
 
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