My Varney Nightmare
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GoTulane
Shizzle-rific
At least there was no $$$ deposit!!
It is sad to see all the bad deals and ill feelings here on ASZB - But with the market SLOW, I guess these are the only posts making any moves. Hope everybody gets what they need, and DESERVE!!!
Michael
Michael
Looks like you at least got off easy - not losing any $$$ - or having to put money down to wait at least a year or more for the cue. Green rep boxes are overrated anyway. What can you use them to buy? Any trade value on them? Rep has become abused, and it no longer holds any meaning - At least in my opinion. So Kevin didn't even follow through with giving you something worthless.....For NO money of yours?hangemhigh said:
It is sad to see all the bad deals and ill feelings here on ASZB - But with the market SLOW, I guess these are the only posts making any moves. Hope everybody gets what they need, and DESERVE!!!
Michael
Michael
How about a boycott Varney thread where evry person that signs up keeps it bumped to the top with nothing more than a simple boycott signature? Maybe he will get the message and his prospective customers will as well.
I'm going to begin at the beginning and go from there. Mr. Varney at the VERY MINIMUM, owes you an immediate complete refund. If he offered you that now it would still not convince me to order from him. I hope it's a small comfort to you that this thread put the icing on the cake for me and now I will just not consider his cues. I have experienced both sides of the equation from cue and case makers. On one hand, I put a hefty deposit ($250) down on an X-Breaker and lost it completely. Now I hear that Richard just owed a lot of people money and threw in the towel on the business. All I know is that he took my money and never answered my emails again. People still stick up for him.
The last three cues I've ordered have been late. Some cuemakers are good communicators and keep you posted. I appreciate that, and tend to be understanding. Some offer you something like an extra shaft, or a partial refund, or some fancy ringwork. I appreciate that as well. It's very hard to sue in another state. You have to always be there yourself in small claims court, and if you sue in another level of the justice system you have to hire an attorney and then on the day you fly or drive to the court for your case the opposing attorney just postpones the date due to a scheduling conflict. How do I know ? Been there, done that !
My big beef is these crooks taking all of our money in advance. I recently ordered a new case from a guy who does beautiful leather work. I wanted a particular style case to match a cue. I asked if he could make it in 6 weeks. He said yes and needed complete payment up front. I got the case 4 months late, along with the lamest excuses you can imagine. I never once had an unsolicited email or an apology. He apologised, when I called complaining, but it didn't help. Hey, at least he answered my calls.
In this particular case, seeing that other customers of Mr. Varney's have gotten their order after ordering later than you, I think that he should ship the cue along with a partial refund. His time and labor should be gratis. You pay for materials only, but that is what a stand up guy would do. It just doesn't sound like Kevin Varney is a stand up cuemaker.
I think we should stop paying for a cue in advance too. One of my favorite cuemakers requires this, and he IS a stand up guy. I suppose he has been burned in the past, and I'm in sympathy with him. He always finishes a cue very close to the promised date, so I'm not complaining there. But in general, how about half in advance ? 2/3 even ! 100% in advance and then 6 months late without communication is completely unforgivable. It's our own fault. We praise and protect these guys, and don't complain publicly often enough. Somethings gotta give...Tom
The last three cues I've ordered have been late. Some cuemakers are good communicators and keep you posted. I appreciate that, and tend to be understanding. Some offer you something like an extra shaft, or a partial refund, or some fancy ringwork. I appreciate that as well. It's very hard to sue in another state. You have to always be there yourself in small claims court, and if you sue in another level of the justice system you have to hire an attorney and then on the day you fly or drive to the court for your case the opposing attorney just postpones the date due to a scheduling conflict. How do I know ? Been there, done that !
My big beef is these crooks taking all of our money in advance. I recently ordered a new case from a guy who does beautiful leather work. I wanted a particular style case to match a cue. I asked if he could make it in 6 weeks. He said yes and needed complete payment up front. I got the case 4 months late, along with the lamest excuses you can imagine. I never once had an unsolicited email or an apology. He apologised, when I called complaining, but it didn't help. Hey, at least he answered my calls.
In this particular case, seeing that other customers of Mr. Varney's have gotten their order after ordering later than you, I think that he should ship the cue along with a partial refund. His time and labor should be gratis. You pay for materials only, but that is what a stand up guy would do. It just doesn't sound like Kevin Varney is a stand up cuemaker.
I think we should stop paying for a cue in advance too. One of my favorite cuemakers requires this, and he IS a stand up guy. I suppose he has been burned in the past, and I'm in sympathy with him. He always finishes a cue very close to the promised date, so I'm not complaining there. But in general, how about half in advance ? 2/3 even ! 100% in advance and then 6 months late without communication is completely unforgivable. It's our own fault. We praise and protect these guys, and don't complain publicly often enough. Somethings gotta give...Tom
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Tiddler said:
I was stupid and paid with check. If i did pay with paypal i'd have my $$ back.
Anyone who paid with paypal should use them to get their $$ back.
I also suggest the following:
Everyone here who is waiting for a cue that is past the deadline should all try to meet somewhere on a chat to talk about banning together to get a plan in place. Then we could pull our resources to get more done together then apart. We need to call the better business bureau, call news or papers in that area, call the attorney general, and then find someone to represent us in a court of law. I live in Oregon and i'm so upset at KV that i'm willing to spend the money to travel to get this resolved. It's no longer about the $$, it's about doing what is right. I've submitted a PM to KV asking for a refund.
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Roadkill said:
Whats even wierder is you have allready complained about it being in other forums in that thread before you posted this drivel.
Roadkill said:
No, you tried to act like you were surprised, which is just the kind of disingenuous and misleading actions a KV supporter would be expected to post.
Roadkill said:
No no.. you just have it confused with the 37 other threads about Varney and missed dates...
hangemhigh said:
That really sucks, I thought Kevin gave good reach arounds!!!!!!!:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: Well it just go's to show, that men will say anything for their own pleasure.
Maybe the statement I will give you Rep should be added to the list of the worlds biggest lies!!!!!!!:dance: Sorry Tommy, I just could not help myself.
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With all these complaints about "cuemaker time" does anyone know of any cuemakers who would have the willingness to hold onto a cue for 9-12 months after completion, say if their customer got into a financial bind?
I'm not talking about one of their repeat customers who might have bought several cues of theirs in the past, but some customer they have never heard of before. Especially, if this cue was built with no deposit and was one that the cuemaker believed could easily be sold to another person.
I'm not talking about one of their repeat customers who might have bought several cues of theirs in the past, but some customer they have never heard of before. Especially, if this cue was built with no deposit and was one that the cuemaker believed could easily be sold to another person.
cincyman
Banned
That is the gods honest truth Varney troll and i 'll tell you why i was "alright" with that....... Because i still wanted a cue from him because i had heard great things and the ivory half joint actually was not the deal breaker on the cue.Roadkill said:
Trust me Pal the situation about the ivory is the LAST thing i am worried about and i was a little pissed at first but then just gave the benefit of the doubt to him and thought maybe it was an over sight on my part.
Is that good enough for you??? I dare that explantion to be challenged by KV.
Happy Swinging Roadkill