New direction for the players
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Freddy, please say you're joking
If not this is easily the worst idea for pool ever
If not this is easily the worst idea for pool ever
Willie and others, did you really read my post?
At what point in my thread did I say anything other than the players would be a part of signed souvenirs and memorabilia? Did you open the inserted photos? Does anyone expect to get a signed cueball with trophy case for free? They can sign all the paper autographs that they feel like. I'm putting them in with pool products.
the Beard
Williebetmore said:
At what point in my thread did I say anything other than the players would be a part of signed souvenirs and memorabilia? Did you open the inserted photos? Does anyone expect to get a signed cueball with trophy case for free? They can sign all the paper autographs that they feel like. I'm putting them in with pool products.
the Beard
bigskyjake said:
worse than Elephant Beautiful Balls?
corvette1340 said:
Waaaaaaay worse
I'll need a list of the players involved so I can update my " players that I never want to meet" roster
Williebetmore said:
Exactly.
Nowhere did anyone say that the pro had to provide a free cue ball, shirt, hat, etc. Where did anyone get that idea from? That would be ridiculous. But paying them to sign a photo that YOU provided, that is just as ridiculous.
As for JohnnyT not wanting an autograph, there's nothing wrong with you thinking that way, just like there's nothing wrong with me liking signed photos of Freddy, Grady, Billy, Earl, Shannon, Corey, Johnny, etc on the walls in my pool room. A name on a piece of paper means nothing to me, but having my favorite players sign personalized autographs on a picture of us together, to me is one of my life's neat little pleasures. I'm not one to decorate my pool room with beer posters.
Lastly, can anyone give me an example where pros charge for autographs in a sport that is not covered by ESPN's Sports Center?
I'm not really sure if I like the thought of Efren Reyes sitting in a little booth behind a stack of cueballs with a sharpie and a money cup. Just sounds kinda... I dunno... cheap.
freddy the beard said:
Bearded-One,
Well done.
As I pointed out in my second post, your original post DID say that the pro's would NOT sign anything outside of the sessions (whether you meant it or not, that's what it said).
As amended, your current plan sounds good. I don't think anyone in the thread so far has objected to that (EVERYONE understood your first post to mean you were excluding free autographs outside your sessions).
Good luck with the venture.
...and that was a misquided impression
... and that was a very wrong conclusion. Where in my post do I say that? It's all about product endorsement on a small scale.
the Beard
lodini said:
... and that was a very wrong conclusion. Where in my post do I say that? It's all about product endorsement on a small scale.
the Beard
My thoughts (and bad spelling so no digs).
If say Joe the Pro refusses to sing autographs and piss off fans, Joe won't be getting to do appearenses in new poolrooms. He won't have people going up to him and asking about lessons. He won't have fans, he'll have haters (think about how Earl gets blasted by the haters of him).
Now I'm not saying that if you buy a cue ball and a case for me and sign it you shouldn't get paid for the materials, you should and a little for your time getting it. But if I suply the stuff and the ink, you should be thank full that fans like you that much.
I bug my home room owner all the time to try to get diffrent pros to come and give seminars, but I wouldn't ask for someone who refused to sign something I had, and I would tell the owner that he/she was a peice of crap and won't have anything to do with him.
I see some of the points about people selling cueballs for $50, but I don't know who would buy it.
I hope you do well with this, but I won't buy unless it has real value (like a case that I would buy anyway.
Pete
If say Joe the Pro refusses to sing autographs and piss off fans, Joe won't be getting to do appearenses in new poolrooms. He won't have people going up to him and asking about lessons. He won't have fans, he'll have haters (think about how Earl gets blasted by the haters of him).
Now I'm not saying that if you buy a cue ball and a case for me and sign it you shouldn't get paid for the materials, you should and a little for your time getting it. But if I suply the stuff and the ink, you should be thank full that fans like you that much.
I bug my home room owner all the time to try to get diffrent pros to come and give seminars, but I wouldn't ask for someone who refused to sign something I had, and I would tell the owner that he/she was a peice of crap and won't have anything to do with him.
I see some of the points about people selling cueballs for $50, but I don't know who would buy it.
I hope you do well with this, but I won't buy unless it has real value (like a case that I would buy anyway.
Pete
I never have and never will charge one thin dime for my autograph!
Joe
Joe
Williebetmore said:
See that's what I thought. I thought he was saying he had a stable of players that would refuse to lift a Sharpie unless fans forked over some hay
I agree with charging for pre-signed memorabilia
Also added
I just wanted to add Corey Deuel was signing autographed cue balls at Super Billiards expo maybe 2 years ago - at no cost - at a table.
Cue balls were free.
Why not do this and donate profit to charity. Everybody wins. If you have the outlet and means to run this , your not going to make really any money. You wouldn't net $5000/yr - so what the hell. You could have a fun time doing it and make money for charity.
I just wanted to add Corey Deuel was signing autographed cue balls at Super Billiards expo maybe 2 years ago - at no cost - at a table.
Cue balls were free.
Why not do this and donate profit to charity. Everybody wins. If you have the outlet and means to run this , your not going to make really any money. You wouldn't net $5000/yr - so what the hell. You could have a fun time doing it and make money for charity.
Personally I think getting autographs is silliness. Does it help a person's game in any manner whatsoever? Then again people are silly creatures.
Freddy, from your first post . . .
"The players I talked to have agreed to not sign anything for free at DCC."
Freddy, that is cut and pasted from your first post, the one you used to start the thread. Naturally people reading assumed that you wrote accurately. Not signing anything to me means not signing anything.
Before the autograph itself is worth anything, the person has to have a reasonably high profile. If I display a dozen cue balls signed by male pro's at a non-pool related business, not one in fifty of my customers would have a clue who any of them were. The 1958 Heisman is on display at a local restaurant. Fifty years later, most customers know who won it before they know more than that it is there.
Selling signed shirts, cue balls, and whatever is fine, but are the players really going to tell lil' Johnny they can't sign the shirt he is wearing, go find a piece of paper? Having collected dozens of lil' Johnny jokes I can predict exactly what he will say to that!
Hu
freddy the beard said:
"The players I talked to have agreed to not sign anything for free at DCC."
Freddy, that is cut and pasted from your first post, the one you used to start the thread. Naturally people reading assumed that you wrote accurately. Not signing anything to me means not signing anything.
Before the autograph itself is worth anything, the person has to have a reasonably high profile. If I display a dozen cue balls signed by male pro's at a non-pool related business, not one in fifty of my customers would have a clue who any of them were. The 1958 Heisman is on display at a local restaurant. Fifty years later, most customers know who won it before they know more than that it is there.
Selling signed shirts, cue balls, and whatever is fine, but are the players really going to tell lil' Johnny they can't sign the shirt he is wearing, go find a piece of paper? Having collected dozens of lil' Johnny jokes I can predict exactly what he will say to that!
Hu
I'd pass on this idea as well
I like the drive behind the idea Freddy but I don't think its worth having any pro turn any person away at any time. If the pro is mingling with the crowd (i.e. has some free time), I just can't see how it can go over well for them to turn down signing a poster or cueball. Even if the pros give the caveat that, "I'll be signing autographs at 11am tomorrow over there for a small fee" I would still get a sickly feeling from being turned away for money.
If these autographs were worth big dollars, then I would be more inclined to consider your proposition as something worthwhile. As it is now though, even limiting the supply of these signatures will likely do nothing to the market for them.
Now if I walk in carrying the head rail of my 9-footer on my shoulder and start asking for autographs from everyone...off with my head...but otherwise, I'd let it slide.
I like the drive behind the idea Freddy but I don't think its worth having any pro turn any person away at any time. If the pro is mingling with the crowd (i.e. has some free time), I just can't see how it can go over well for them to turn down signing a poster or cueball. Even if the pros give the caveat that, "I'll be signing autographs at 11am tomorrow over there for a small fee" I would still get a sickly feeling from being turned away for money.
If these autographs were worth big dollars, then I would be more inclined to consider your proposition as something worthwhile. As it is now though, even limiting the supply of these signatures will likely do nothing to the market for them.
Now if I walk in carrying the head rail of my 9-footer on my shoulder and start asking for autographs from everyone...off with my head...but otherwise, I'd let it slide.
Diane Hoppe
The reference to photos in my post was a plug for Diane Hoppe, who has attended every Derby City event, rents a room and sells -- autographed photos of pool players! She also pays the players a commission for their signed photos. I know this for sure because she has duked me a couple bucks. This has gone on for ten years at DCC, and she attends other tourneys as well. No one has ever beefed about this and she must make some money because she keeps coming back every year. Her salon is usually right accross the hall from the AZ room , so plenty of you AZ'ers are aware of her and her program.
the Beard
Terry Ardeno said:
The reference to photos in my post was a plug for Diane Hoppe, who has attended every Derby City event, rents a room and sells -- autographed photos of pool players! She also pays the players a commission for their signed photos. I know this for sure because she has duked me a couple bucks. This has gone on for ten years at DCC, and she attends other tourneys as well. No one has ever beefed about this and she must make some money because she keeps coming back every year. Her salon is usually right accross the hall from the AZ room , so plenty of you AZ'ers are aware of her and her program.
the Beard
