Awesome Jay. I need to try a set then
Thanks a lot Jay...thought you guys were going to use Racktight
New Product: i4pool's SLUG DOCTOR TIGHT RACK SYSTEM
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Thanks a lot Jay...thought you guys were going to use Racktight
Its because they used my Racktight that comes on a template and is a no-brainer, you can't mess it up. I have had them in Vegas for several years now.
Grace Nakamura
NO THIS IS NOT HIS IDEA, it has been out for over 10 years in Japan, and I brought it over a few years ago....shame people don't try and work together on furthering our sport.. I have had to overcome a few objections, and have a new model coming out....THIS IS A COPY of someone else's hard work
Grace
Grace,
With all due respect...
A house can be painted by hand or with a spray gun. Two different methods same outcome.
There was someone or some entity who first invented the triangle rack. Since then there have been many variations for a product which yields essentially the same result, racked balls.
Your product leaves dots in the racking area. My product does the same.
Same outcome, totally different methods used to get there.
For the record, my template and applicator tool are MY designs.
I have copied no one's work and your false implication is completely uncalled for.
Your posts (see below) in this thread have been very unprofessional, imo.
I believe going back and forth with you in this thread will be a waist of energy and time (for both of us). So I will not be indulging you in any additional exchange here.
-Abe - i4pool
Inappropriate.
I never stated that it was my product that OB was using. I even responded saying so in my response post to Papa Red (post #37) .
I don't understand the language but probably inappropriate too.
Again inappropriate.
The Slug Doctor "tool kit" (template & applicator) are both MY designs. NOT COPIED!
With all due respect...
A house can be painted by hand or with a spray gun. Two different methods same outcome.
There was someone or some entity who first invented the triangle rack. Since then there have been many variations for a product which yields essentially the same result, racked balls.
Your product leaves dots in the racking area. My product does the same.
Same outcome, totally different methods used to get there.
For the record, my template and applicator tool are MY designs.
I have copied no one's work and your false implication is completely uncalled for.
Your posts (see below) in this thread have been very unprofessional, imo.
I believe going back and forth with you in this thread will be a waist of energy and time (for both of us). So I will not be indulging you in any additional exchange here.
-Abe - i4pool
Inappropriate.
I never stated that it was my product that OB was using. I even responded saying so in my response post to Papa Red (post #37) .
I don't understand the language but probably inappropriate too.
Again inappropriate.
The Slug Doctor "tool kit" (template & applicator) are both MY designs. NOT COPIED!
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Another review
I was fortunate enough to have the slug-doctor installed on my table a few months ago. Since then I have played countless numbers of 9-ball, 10-ball, one pocket and straight pool. The reinforcements on the table have yet to alter a game in anyway. This innovative racking system is a great product and IMO a must have for any avid pool player. It is the template and the applicator that sets this racking system apart from all the rest.
Darin
I was fortunate enough to have the slug-doctor installed on my table a few months ago. Since then I have played countless numbers of 9-ball, 10-ball, one pocket and straight pool. The reinforcements on the table have yet to alter a game in anyway. This innovative racking system is a great product and IMO a must have for any avid pool player. It is the template and the applicator that sets this racking system apart from all the rest.
Darin
Seems to me that someone is just a little pissed that they weren't smart enough to develop a system that is "REUSABLE".
Not a one time application.
Your system is awesome Abe, don't sweat the haters.
Not a one time application.
Your system is awesome Abe, don't sweat the haters.
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Way to hi-jack a thread. I will never use your rack. Classless Grace.
I'm more than content with my Slug-Doctor anyway.
I understand application only takes a few minutes but how often do you need to replace the reinforcments?
I'm not sure what you're talking about here Grace. The only conversations that Barry, Kenny and I have had about the racks at the U.S. Open have involved the Delta 13 (which we used this year) and the Magic Rack.
I'm not that familiar with Racktight and have only seen the Slug Doctor for the first time last month. I'm all for anything that makes racking better and easier. I don't really care who makes them or where they come from. If it's a better rack, I like it.
I remember the first time I saw the Magic Rack a couple of years ago at the World Ten Ball. I thought, "What a joke!" And I kept telling all present that I could put down a better rack with a good triangle. Turns out I wasn't so smart after all. I still do like the Delta 13, but some of these new applications might be better for tournament pool.
I think there's room in pool for more than one type of "magic rack." It's a big world out there!
I have yet to have to replace a single reinforcement dot on my table and I have been using it for at least two months now. The balls are as tight now as the day Abe installed it for me.
As for Grace's claims that this is her 'original' product, she actually manages to refute that in her own post when she says she brought it over from Japan. Regardless, however, this competition will only serve the pool playing consumers. I personally prefer a reusable product compared to a one time use product. We played a 3-ball tournament at my last BCA night and we used Slug Doctor to set the dots for the balls. I wouldn't have liked to use an entire RackTight sheet for this, but the Slug Doctor applicator worked perfectly. That is one of my favorite features of the Slug Doctor. With the template, I can use it on any table I want, and all it costs me is the cost of 11 dots, which at $2.49 for a pack of 200 works out to about 14 cents per table. Seems like a good value to me.
I'm not knocking Grace's product- I'm sure it is wonderful as well. But new competitors in any market always serve to further the consumers interests. As far as I can see, Slug Doctor is now king of the hill for value received and ease of use, even compared to tight rack products that don't use the dots. But maybe someone down the road comes out with something even better. Then I know Abe will be back at the drawing board coming up with something even better. And that makes us as consumers winners.
Keep up the good work, buddy. And much respect to you for remaining above the fray in regards to Grace. Her actions only serve to make her look bad, and make you look better by comparison.
Johnny
I like rack spots for every game except one pocket.
No idea if there is any trademark/patent/similar issue regarding Japan and/or Grace's import of the product.
As a consumer, I would say that the Slug Doctor appears to be the best implementation in the sense that it is so reusable and economical.
I showed this to the pool hall owner who imports rack spots from Japan and he told me that he had already tried the Avery labels (because they were less expensive) and that they didn't work as well as the rack spots. His comment was that the Avery labels were not holding the balls well enough with a single label. If he put two labels layered on top of each other it worked well, but then the label was a bit too thick (could interfere with play).
It sounded like someone earlier in this thread had indicated that these spots were used in a tournament or tournaments with great success. But now I'm not clear whether it was the Avery labels or the "real" rack spots product. Can anyone clarify?
No idea if there is any trademark/patent/similar issue regarding Japan and/or Grace's import of the product.
As a consumer, I would say that the Slug Doctor appears to be the best implementation in the sense that it is so reusable and economical.
I showed this to the pool hall owner who imports rack spots from Japan and he told me that he had already tried the Avery labels (because they were less expensive) and that they didn't work as well as the rack spots. His comment was that the Avery labels were not holding the balls well enough with a single label. If he put two labels layered on top of each other it worked well, but then the label was a bit too thick (could interfere with play).
It sounded like someone earlier in this thread had indicated that these spots were used in a tournament or tournaments with great success. But now I'm not clear whether it was the Avery labels or the "real" rack spots product. Can anyone clarify?
What's amazing to me is that someone could start a business based on hole protectors and then get angry when someone else uses hole protectors in their business.
It's a totally unprotectable concept. Even Abe's applicator has been done before - maybe not in pool - but it's not new at all.
There are so many rack concepts, the last thing I'd want to pay my bills on is how my "new" rack sells. I use a Diamond rack and it racks perfectly in 2 seconds. As far as hole protectors go, this is the best I've seen if I want to invest 20 seconds into each time I rack.
The last thing I'd want to do is to go back to the drawing board to figure out a new hole protector concept that beats this hole protector concept. In fact, I wouldn't worry about a new rack at all. The market's more flooded than Indonesia during the tsunami.
It's a totally unprotectable concept. Even Abe's applicator has been done before - maybe not in pool - but it's not new at all.
There are so many rack concepts, the last thing I'd want to pay my bills on is how my "new" rack sells. I use a Diamond rack and it racks perfectly in 2 seconds. As far as hole protectors go, this is the best I've seen if I want to invest 20 seconds into each time I rack.
The last thing I'd want to do is to go back to the drawing board to figure out a new hole protector concept that beats this hole protector concept. In fact, I wouldn't worry about a new rack at all. The market's more flooded than Indonesia during the tsunami.
I'm with cat on this one.. Total lack of class, I'd never use the rack she is selling now.. Slug-doctor, Yes!
Hi John,
I had the first set on for over a month, I was helping Abe with the video so we did remove the first set for that purpose. The new set has been on a little longer than that and they work great. Make sure the surface where you are going to apply is clean and that you press all the reinforcements down all the way you should not have a problem. The system is easy to install, As JohnnyShakes said We have used the rack for our Wednesday night BCAPL League for a couple different extras.
Am I the only one that does not like to feel slick spots under my fingers instead of cloth when I shoot? It just bothers me, and then I think of the little tape thingy instead of the shot. Pet peeve I guess.
I will say that I was a bit concerned when someone first suggested putting the "little tape thingys" on my table. You will get over it very quick The bennifit of the rack is by far worth it in my opinion. I don't even realize they are there anymore. I have also cleaned my table numerous times with a foam cleaner and had no problems. As a creature of habit I still do catch myself grabbing for the regular rack.