New Varney with blk G10 Radial

pharaoh68 said:
Mike-

Say what you will. Think what you will. I could truly care less about most of the people on this forum. There are several people that I do respect and several people that I consider friends. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, have shown themselves to be unintelligent and uninformed. You can disagree if you so desire. I'll lose little sleep over it either way.

One of the primary points that seems to continually escape people's attention here is that opinions are not always positive. But everyone has an opinion and everyone is entitled to share it. I have been over your forum rules several times and no where in there did I see anything that says you can only voice an opinion if you are singing someone or something's praise. So here, i shared my opinion and Matt objected. Now, between you, me, Matt, and a hole in the wall, I could give a damn what Matt thinks of me and my opinions. Much the same way I care less about his opinions. But we all have a right to express them. So I shared mine and Matt objected.

If you want to talk logic, try this on for size. Over the last year, many of your longtime posters/members have expressed disappointment with the way things are being run here and that the quality of the site is going down. Yet you and Dave have done very little (if anything) to address the issue. So I guess all I can say is: right back at you Mike: I can see all kinds of logic in that!!

-Brian
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This post reminds me of the good ol days of FL and many of the other banned posters who wanted nothing better than to insult anyone who did not agree with them.
Sorry for the interruption, now back to the nonsense...
Dan
 
quedup said:
This post reminds me of the good ol days of FL and many of the other banned posters who wanted nothing better than to insult anyone who did not agree with them.
Sorry for the interruption, now back to the nonsense...
Dan
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Comparing Pharaoh to FL is like comparing Don Rickles to Hitler.:)
 
> As far as this stuff breaking,Joe convinced me that just isn't very likely. I met Joe and Mike Nosalik(sp) in the Holiday Inn in Cheasapeake,the night before the 94' U.S. Open. We talked for about 30 minutes,and I looked at a couple of them. The next day,they had the booth set up and everyone was checking them out. One guy asked Joe how a "plastic" joint pin was going to hold up to breaking the balls. Joe grabbed a 4500 dollar cue,and said follow me. He walked out in front of the building,and jammed the pin straight down between the slats on a bench,and twisted and jerked it all over the place,then looks at the guy that doubted him and asked "now,do you think you can break that?". Stories abound about guys driving a pin thru oak lumber,2x4's,etc. I've heard of exactly 2 of them breaking,both on Cog's,but both as a result of abuse. Tommy D.
 
No, there is nothing against the rules in expressing your opinion. Someone posting 'In my opinion, xyz cues are complete crap and shouldn't even be used as kindling' is not against the rules.

On the other hand, posting that someone is an idiot because they think xyz cues are worth the money is not ok. Simply insulting someone because they don't agree with you is not ok.

Yes, I have heard all of the "AzB is not what is used to be" talk over and over. I have even admitted that the quality of posts may have gone down recently. I am trying to keep a better eye on the forums and all of the various aspects of it while you are just whining about how it isn't what you want it to be so your best way of fixing it is to try to drag everyone down to an even worse level.

If you don't have anything constructive to contribute to any of the terrible conversations here, then please either start an intelligent conversation or take your forum traffic someplace else. There are an abundance of other options out there for you.

Mike

pharaoh68 said:
Mike-

Say what you will. Think what you will. I could truly care less about most of the people on this forum. There are several people that I do respect and several people that I consider friends. The rest, as far as I'm concerned, have shown themselves to be unintelligent and uninformed. You can disagree if you so desire. I'll lose little sleep over it either way.

One of the primary points that seems to continually escape people's attention here is that opinions are not always positive. But everyone has an opinion and everyone is entitled to share it. I have been over your forum rules several times and no where in there did I see anything that says you can only voice an opinion if you are singing someone or something's praise. So here, i shared my opinion and Matt objected. Now, between you, me, Matt, and a hole in the wall, I could give a damn what Matt thinks of me and my opinions. Much the same way I care less about his opinions. But we all have a right to express them. So I shared mine and Matt objected.

If you want to talk logic, try this on for size. Over the last year, many of your longtime posters/members have expressed disappointment with the way things are being run here and that the quality of the site is going down. Yet you and Dave have done very little (if anything) to address the issue. So I guess all I can say is: right back at you Mike: I can see all kinds of logic in that!!

-Brian
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AzHousePro said:
Yes, I have heard all of the "AzB is not what is used to be" talk over and over. I have even admitted that the quality of posts may have gone down recently.
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Honestly, Mike, I think it's because of the bears..... The bears can smell the menstruation.
 
AzHousePro said:
No, there is nothing against the rules in expressing your opinion. Someone posting 'In my opinion, xyz cues are complete crap and shouldn't even be used as kindling' is not against the rules.

On the other hand, posting that someone is an idiot because they think xyz cues are worth the money is not ok. Simply insulting someone because they don't agree with you is not ok.

Mike
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You make a brilliant point Mike, but the blinders you seem to be wearing only allow you to see so far. I may have taken that road here and I may have done it several times in prior instances. Sure.

But what you seem to overlook Mike is the fact that while I am "insulting" MattRDavis for not agreeing with my opinion (as you say), it is little more than a response to MattRDavis insulting me as he did not agree with what I was saying.

You guys seem so quick to point the finger of blame at the guy who offers an honest and validate opinion, albeit a negative one. But nowhere does it say that ALL OPINION HAVE TO BE POSITIVE!!!!!! So here's the solution for you Mike. You want to avoid situations like these? Then make it clear that opinions are NOT welcome here because that seems to be the road you're walking down. I share my opinion and because its not a popular or a pleasant one, people disagree and call me names and insult me. And believe me when I say that I am fine with that. I could truly care less. But when I respond to these comments, I'm the bad guy. Go figure.

You're a hypocrite Mike and it is beyond evident. Either that or your reading comprehension is frighteningly low.

Brian
 
pharaoh68 said:
But what you seem to overlook Mike is the fact that while I am "insulting" MattRDavis for not agreeing with my opinion (as you say), it is little more than a response to MattRDavis insulting me as he did not agree with what I was saying.
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To be fair, I did insult you. But, I at least backed my claim with credible evidence.

Your post offered no information, nothing, not a constructive criticism, not even an unconstructive criticism. You didn't say, "I don't particularly care for the X on the cue because of Y." What you did was akin to barging into an arthouse, pointing at the wall & yelling, "Tihs art sux0rs! keekeekee!" From this post & the numerous others I've seen it is very evident that you have a personal distaste for Varney; that's fine, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the kindergarten mentality that you assume in his threads; if you want anyone to take your criticisms seriously at least make some attempt to articulate WHY & WHAT instead of just pointing & laughing.
 
MattRDavis said:
To be fair, I did insult you. But, I at least backed my claim with credible evidence.

Your post offered no information, nothing, not a constructive criticism, not even an unconstructive criticism. You didn't say, "I don't particularly care for the X on the cue because of Y." What you did was akin to barging into an arthouse, pointing at the wall & yelling, "Tihs art sux0rs! keekeekee!" From this post & the numerous others I've seen it is very evident that you have a personal distaste for Varney; that's fine, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the kindergarten mentality that you assume in his threads; if you want anyone to take your criticisms seriously at least make some attempt to articulate WHY & WHAT instead of just pointing & laughing.
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MattRDavis-

You're relatively new around here so I don't know how many of these other "Varney bashing threads" you're familiar with. I have expressed my opinions with specific details on SEVERAL occassions and all it seems to do is make me more of an a$$ hole in the eyes of the Varney loyalists. And I'm okay with that (because I happen to think those people are blind anyway, but so be it). In fact, not too long ago, I played with a Varney and, though I had some objections to the aesthetics of the cue because the blank used was poorly done (but not done by Kevin), I did say that all in all, it seemed to play well. But still, people jumped down my throat and assumed I was an ass for sharing my "negative" opinion which was not negative at all.

You see Matt, what you're saying here is not really true. You are trying to make this place and all of you loyalists to be perfect whereas I'm the cancer. And hell! Maybe I am. But you guys are FAR from perfect. But, I'll accomodate you and your request.

The problems with this cue: The wood choices are nice however, I would have chosen a more figured piece of cocobolo personally. As for the birdseye, it seems to be highly figured with very small eyes. The contrast of high figure and no figure seem to contradict. But hey. That's just my taste.
As well, the ringwork is getting a little tired. Kevin seems to only have two kinds of rings, both of which are seen here in this cue. There is the black and white box rings that you see at the joint and in the buttsleeve. If you look closely, you'll see bleed. Furthermore, the black matches nothing here except the pin which will disappear when the shaft is screwed on. The second kind of ring is the extremely uncreative brown band above and below the handle. It does little to compliment the design or even the wood choices.
And I don't know what Kev charged for this cue but I still can't figure out why he only sells cues with one shaft.

So, there you have it Matt. Get the facts straight before you go making accusations. You wanted my opinion? Well, you got it. Now go ahead and tear me a new one for sharing my opinion. Tell me how wrong I am. Say whatever you will.

Talk to you soon Matt.

Brian
 
pharaoh68 said:
The problems with this cue: The wood choices are nice however, I would have chosen a more figured piece of cocobolo personally. As for the birdseye, it seems to be highly figured with very small eyes. The contrast of high figure and no figure seem to contradict. But hey. That's just my taste.

As well, the ringwork is getting a little tired. Kevin seems to only have two kinds of rings, both of which are seen here in this cue. There is the black and white box rings that you see at the joint and in the buttsleeve. If you look closely, you'll see bleed. Furthermore, the black matches nothing here except the pin which will disappear when the shaft is screwed on. The second kind of ring is the extremely uncreative brown band above and below the handle. It does little to compliment the design or even the wood choices.
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I can read this & take from it that you do not like the cue & while I may not agree with you or consider the personal jabs at Varney neccessarily relevant, it is a good post.
 
pharaoh68 said:
...all it seems to do is make me more of an a$$ hole in the eyes of the Varney loyalists....
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That scene from "The Wedding Singer" comes to mind. I see you making the phone call and the head loyalist scratching your name off the list.

Make the call Brian.
 
I know Brian's post wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to highlight a few points....

pharaoh68 said:
... In fact, not too long ago, I played with a Varney and, though I had some objections to the aesthetics of the cue because the blank used was poorly done (but not done by Kevin), I did say that all in all, it seemed to play well. But still, people jumped down my throat and assumed I was an ass for sharing my "negative" opinion which was not negative at all.
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You are correct. I remember that post. It was not negative at all, though it was taken as such. It was a good review for what you had to work with.

pharaoh68 said:
...you loyalists to be perfect whereas I'm the cancer.....
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Well, not that you care (as stated a few times above) :D I don't personally think you are a cancer as you put it. I understood a long time ago that the designs that Kevin puts out, are not to your taste. That is absolutely fine. "One man's junk is another man's treasure" and each is entitled to their own opinion, good or bad. Reading all kinds of opinions allows the next person to make an informed decision.

I suppose I am a loyalist to Varney Cues, but I happen to like his products. I don't like the looks of some, but for the most part, I do like the designs. I also like the cues that a multitude of others on this board make. So I guess if I am to be labeled as a "loyalist" so be it. I don't have a problem with that. I am hardly perfect and surely don't pretend to be. As far as I am concerned, Kevin has my business for a long time to come.


pharaoh68 said:
The problems with this cue: The wood choices are nice however, I would have chosen a more figured piece of cocobolo personally. As for the birdseye, it seems to be highly figured with very small eyes. The contrast of high figure and no figure seem to contradict. But hey. That's just my taste.
As well, the ringwork is getting a little tired. Kevin seems to only have two kinds of rings, both of which are seen here in this cue. There is the black and white box rings that you see at the joint and in the buttsleeve. If you look closely, you'll see bleed. Furthermore, the black matches nothing here except the pin which will disappear when the shaft is screwed on. The second kind of ring is the extremely uncreative brown band above and below the handle. It does little to compliment the design or even the wood choices.
And I don't know what Kev charged for this cue but I still can't figure out why he only sells cues with one shaft.
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Thank you for taking the time to make some astute observations from the pictures. You took the time to point out things that undoubtedly go overlooked by most. I for one appreciate that. It allows me to be more informed of what I am looking at and that I may not over look some details. This will be applied to any cue I purchase, from anyone. You have made me a more knowledgeable (subjective I know) buyer/seller.



As far as the cues, I see you are in Jersey, I will extend you an offer Brian. If you'd like to take me up on it fine, if not that's fine too. Kevin will be building me a playing cue shortly. I will offer to get together and let you see it in person and shoot with it. I would then appreciate your thoughts on it, good bad or indifferent.


Often too many times threads on the net are not read for what they really are.... I guarantee that if the topics on this board were discussed in person, most people could actually carry on a decent conversation about whatever it is they are talking about, not just billiards. Sure there would be heated discussions, but nothing like what goes on in the net.

Have a nice day,
Craig
 
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Irish634 said:
As far as the cues, I see you are in Jersey, I will extend you an offer Brian. If you'd like to take me up on it fine, if not that's fine too. Kevin will be building me a playing cue shortly. I will offer to get together and let you see it in person and shoot with it. I would then appreciate your thoughts on it, good bad or indifferent.


Often too many times threads on the net are not read for what they really are.... I guarantee that if the topics on this board were discussed in person, most people could actually carry on a decent conversation about whatever it is they are talking about, not just billiards. Sure there would be heated discussions, but nothing like what goes on in the net.

Have a nice day,
Craig
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Craig-
I like where this is going. Finally, I will be getting a chance to play with a Kevin Varney cue, and not a sneaky pete but a cue built by the man himself with his own hands. I would like to take you up on your offer and would love to write a review of a real KV cue here on AZ. I thank you for affording me this opportunity.
I live in Jersey, fairly far noth. But I'm willing to drive so, whenever that cue comes in, you let me know where and when works best for you and I will meet up with you. I'll hit a few with your Varney and you can smack a few around with my mottey if you so desire.
Thanks for the offer and for reading the posts objectively and not from the slanted, one-sided view of some others.
Regards,
Brian
 
I would like to personally thank everyone for keeping this thread bumped to the top. I have received 3 new orders today alone for new G10 pin cues.:) All three directly from reading this thread & seeing the pics.
Matt your new petrified breaker is 98% complete...Craig, the one I want you to see is not far behind.:) Thank you all gentleman!
 
Varney Cues said:
I would like to personally thank everyone for keeping this thread bumped to the top. I have received 3 new orders today alone for new G10 pin cues.:) All three directly from reading this thread & seeing the pics.
Matt your new petrified breaker is 98% complete...Craig, the one I want you to see is not far behind.:) Thank you all gentleman!
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Thank God... Maybe you can finally upgrade to a real semiauto, not some SA crap....
 
pharaoh68 said:
Craig-
I like where this is going. Finally, I will be getting a chance to play with a Kevin Varney cue, and not a sneaky pete but a cue built by the man himself with his own hands. I would like to take you up on your offer and would love to write a review of a real KV cue here on AZ. I thank you for affording me this opportunity.
I live in Jersey, fairly far noth. But I'm willing to drive so, whenever that cue comes in, you let me know where and when works best for you and I will meet up with you. I'll hit a few with your Varney and you can smack a few around with my mottey if you so desire.
Thanks for the offer and for reading the posts objectively and not from the slanted, one-sided view of some others.
Regards,
Brian
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Brian,

It'll be fun I am sure. I will PM you when the times come and we'll get together for a set or two. I hope I can give you some competition. LOL.

I am in upstate NY near Binghamton, so NJ isn't that far for me either. If I remember right, A.C. is only about 5 - 5.5 hours from me. In order for me to pull it off though, it'll have to be in a town that has more to do than shoot pool or my fiancee is liable to leave me there LOL.


Varney Cues said:
Craig, the one I want you to see is not far behind.:) Thank you all gentleman!
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Kevin,

Cool, I look forward to it.

Regards everyone,
Craig
 
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