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So, I understand there are never going to be a shortage of opinions about anything I say or do.

That is the nature of the beast.

There is room for improvement on all areas. I'm not exempt.

Mike and I will talk more about areas that need the most work and what / when / Where and how things will be addressed.

I do appreciate the people who are really attempting to help with their suggestions and we'll keep them in mind during our talks.

I've done a lot of thinking the last couple of days and the first issue to address are the people that I snapped at either in public or private.

I am sorry for taking my anger out on any of you.

That said, part of the build up for that is a direct result of people who feel they can bait me and not suffer any consequince. I've had to keep a lot of my opinions to myself and it has worn me down some.

There are people who are taking great pleasure in seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Yes, I have been paying attention to who they are and yes, it does matter.

People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to like one person more than another. I do not understand where or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

If I ask for cooperation, why would anyone ever doubt that someone who is respectful and courteous wouldn't be given more consideration over another who is beligerent and argumentative?

Regardless, these are things that Mike and I will address further.

For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo, I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.

For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll need to try harder.

For the people who have rallied to my support, I'm touched and sincerely appreciate your recognition.

Thank you,

Dave Wilson
 
Mr. Wilson said:
So, I understand there are never going to be a shortage of opinions about anything I say or do.

That is the nature of the beast.

There is room for improvement on all areas. I'm not exempt.

Mike and I will talk more about areas that need the most work and what / when / Where and how things will be addressed.

I do appreciate the people who are really attempting to help with their suggestions and we'll keep them in mind during our talks.

I've done a lot of thinking the last couple of days and the first issue to address are the people that I snapped at either in public or private.

I am sorry for taking my anger out on any of you.

That said, part of the build up for that is a direct result of people who feel they can bait me and not suffer any consequince. I've had to keep a lot of my opinions to myself and it has worn me down some.

There are people who are taking great pleasure in seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Yes, I have been paying attention to who they are and yes, it does matter.

People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to like one person more than another. I do not understand where or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

If I ask for cooperation, why would anyone ever doubt that someone who is respectful and courteous wouldn't be given more consideration over another who is beligerent and argumentative?

Regardless, these are things that Mike and I will address further.

For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo, I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.

For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll need to try harder.

For the people who have rallied to my support, I'm touched and sincerely appreciate your recognition.

Thank you,

Dave Wilson
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atta boy. Like i have been saying, cant let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.

I say, start a zero tolerance board. Forgo the warnings. Just ban away. The ones that don't like the rules now, will bebegging for the staus quo after 2 weeks.

On a serious note, keep up the good work dave. It really is a thankless job, so I offer my thanks to you.

rg
 
I believe the majority of members are behind you David. You can't please everyone all the time...just keep on doing your best. I for one appreciate the effort you put into trying to keep this joint civil. Thank you for the hard work.
 
Mr. Wilson's neighborhood--

It's a safe place to live. I might get into a squabble once in a while or have something thrown at me but with you at the helm, I know I can walk down the street and not be shot at.

Just steer the course and this will blow over in a couple of days.

Dave, you do a great job!
 
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Mr. Wilson's garden
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at the risk of this becoming an unpopular subject, i am wondering, with mr. wilson working so hard to keep all the weeds from taking over the garden, where the next dennis mitchell will be coming from to step on the roses.
he does have a difficult job keeping up on things. you turn your back for a moment on the kids (no matter what the age) and things will invariably get out of control. i for the most part think he doesn't do too bad of a job. not sure when he finds time to sleep though.
just an observation mixed with a metaphor and an opinion.
M.C.
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i posted this a while back, and i still stand by it.
M.C.
 
Goren & Eames & Wilson

Tim-n-NM said:
Your doing a fine job Dave. I like pool not drama.
Tim.
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Well, I'm a big pool fan too, but I really like Law & Order....
Doug
( I wish Mr. Wilson was on Law & Order )
 
I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.
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I was surprised to hear of Jimbo's banning but I can't say if it was merited or not because the thread was deleted before I [ and many others ]got the chance to read it.
BTW, I don't think you can take silence as a sign of confirmation that you have acted correctly when many don't even know why he was banned- even some who say they have read the thread!.

gabber
 
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I appreciate your efforts here Dave, my hat is off to you. I know I wouldn't want to "moderate" AZB even for a day. I do not read all posts here on AZB so there is a good deal that goes over my head. From what I've seen, you seem fair with setting reasonable limits and giving consequences (usually after a fair warning). Without the moderating this place wouldn't be worth coming to visit. Best wishes for a healthy and proseperous new year to you and all of the law abiding AZB citizens.

Martin



Mr. Wilson said:
So, I understand there are never going to be a shortage of opinions about anything I say or do.

That is the nature of the beast.

There is room for improvement on all areas. I'm not exempt.

Mike and I will talk more about areas that need the most work and what / when / Where and how things will be addressed.

I do appreciate the people who are really attempting to help with their suggestions and we'll keep them in mind during our talks.

I've done a lot of thinking the last couple of days and the first issue to address are the people that I snapped at either in public or private.

I am sorry for taking my anger out on any of you.

That said, part of the build up for that is a direct result of people who feel they can bait me and not suffer any consequince. I've had to keep a lot of my opinions to myself and it has worn me down some.

There are people who are taking great pleasure in seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Yes, I have been paying attention to who they are and yes, it does matter.

People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to like one person more than another. I do not understand where or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

If I ask for cooperation, why would anyone ever doubt that someone who is respectful and courteous wouldn't be given more consideration over another who is beligerent and argumentative?

Regardless, these are things that Mike and I will address further.

For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo, I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.

For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll need to try harder.

For the people who have rallied to my support, I'm touched and sincerely appreciate your recognition.

Thank you,

Dave Wilson
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Gabber said:
I was surprised to hear of Jimbo's banning but I can't say if it was merited or not because the thread was deleted before I [ and many others ]got the chance to read it.
BTW, I don't think you can take silence as a sign of confirmation that you have acted correctly when many don't even know why he was banned- even some who say they have read the thread!.

gabber
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I doubt very seriously whether it was ONE thread that lead to the ban. It was very likely a series of threads and this was the final straw that lead to a ban. Therefore, I don't think having that one thread deleted really matters very much.
 
good job!

Overall I think that you and Mike do a fine job. Occasionally you appear to be almost human though, not always godlike. Unfortunately, sometimes I think you do react to baiting. Daring admin was never a smart thing to do on my board either. People that wanted to tilt at admin always learned they would have more luck tilting at windmills.

After reading a good bit of most of the threads, the suggestions with the most merit in my mind are a few more moderators if they don't exist already, not for a tribunal, to have a committee, or for any reason other than a set of forums this active requires more hours than one person has in a day and I don't know that two can cover them well. The other thing that I like the idea of is one or more "Admin" accounts separate from your personal account.

When my brother and I administered a board that we owned, we both had private users accounts. Our private accounts were equal to everyone else's, were treated the same as anyone, and obeyed the same rules. We were as free to debate and give opinions as any other poster. Admin was the god of the forum. Break the rules and you heard from Admin, in public or private as seemed best depending on the offense. Try to play games with Admin and you got squashed like a bug. Admin did not get involved in any arguments or discussions or post for anything other than matters regarding the running of the board. It was purely an account to use for moderation and all Admin's posted messages were over the same signature. We did talk when we could about major decisions but either one could call a shot and nobody could be sure who posted any Admin post.

Just my personal thoughts on the subject and they definitely don't alter my opinion in the least that you are filling a role very well that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole having been in your shoes on much less active and demanding forums. You are handing a very tough job and a largely thankless one.

Hu
 
Mr. Wilson...
..you wrote:
> That said, part of the build up for that is a direct
> result of people who feel they can bait me and not
> suffer any consequince.

Any moderator should be above that.

> There are people who are taking great pleasure in
> seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Any moderator should be above that.

> People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to
> like one person more than another. I do not understand where
> or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

Any moderator should be able to treat all members equally.

> For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin
> AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo,

Any moderator should be above such pitiful generalization.

> For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll
> need to try harder.

Any moderator should at least be able to impersonate an adult.

-- peer
 
Mr. Wilson

Just a note of support from an infrequent poster and an impartial observer(but an appreciative member) for the thankless task you have been charged with in moderating this forum. It appears from your post that perhaps some resolution of this melodrama may be forthcoming in the near future. I would only suggest that you fail to give enough credit to the board members to resolve their own issues and point you to a quote from Thomas Jefferson--

"Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."

Thank you.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo, I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.
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There may be some who are trashing AZ Billiards, but I must say I have not seen it. I do support JimBo, to me, he is the ultimate reality check. I love AZ Billiards as do most of the others, I suppose. Why else would we be here? Please do not make the generalization that, JimBo supporters all want to ruin AZ Billiards. I love AZB, Mike has created an awesome site and you have done much to keep it civil. I do however, support a balance of power for the sake of, Mike's and your sanity, as well as the well being of the community as a whole. I have always bought into, 'it is Mike's forum and he can do with it, as he wishes', but what brings the traffic is not his posts but our's. Many here should know, I am not a confrontational person, but this is something I feel strongly about. I mean, if this forum goes down the tubes, where will I go to get my fix? I know that sounds pathetic, but like you said, there are 8,000+ members, many of whom are every bit as hooked, as myself.

Tracy
 
Wholesale Amnesty

Mr. Wilson said:
So, I understand there are never going to be a shortage of opinions about anything I say or do.

That is the nature of the beast.

There is room for improvement on all areas. I'm not exempt.

Mike and I will talk more about areas that need the most work and what / when / Where and how things will be addressed.

I do appreciate the people who are really attempting to help with their suggestions and we'll keep them in mind during our talks.

I've done a lot of thinking the last couple of days and the first issue to address are the people that I snapped at either in public or private.

I am sorry for taking my anger out on any of you.

That said, part of the build up for that is a direct result of people who feel they can bait me and not suffer any consequince. I've had to keep a lot of my opinions to myself and it has worn me down some.

There are people who are taking great pleasure in seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Yes, I have been paying attention to who they are and yes, it does matter.

People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to like one person more than another. I do not understand where or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

If I ask for cooperation, why would anyone ever doubt that someone who is respectful and courteous wouldn't be given more consideration over another who is beligerent and argumentative?

Regardless, these are things that Mike and I will address further.

For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo, I hope the other 8000+ members who have been silent recognise where the real problems lie.

For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll need to try harder.

For the people who have rallied to my support, I'm touched and sincerely appreciate your recognition.

Thank you,

Dave Wilson
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Dave, you have won a response from me. It seems that you have set some rules that we all have to abide and if we do not, we suffer the consequences. Calling people names is uncalled for and unnecessary. I support your actions and hope that everyone learns from your consistency in dealing with those who fail to obey your rules. We are here by invitation and the sites rules are clear to anyone that can read. I hope you continue to "stay the course". I also hope that you and Mike will consider granting AMNESTY to ALL of those who might want to return to the fold. There are many who make/made this forum interesting and I would love to see a wholesale amnesty on AZ's part at least until the pardoned parties fail to follow the rules of engagement.

WHOLESALE AMNESTY could bring a new wave of understanding from all parties.

You and Mike have a tough job riding herd on so many different personalities.
JoeyA
 
I think the experience of RSB shows that unless people can be thrown out of a forum it will be dragged down or even, like RSB, basically destroyed. Some people just love to pick fights with a keyboard. They cause squabbles and bitterness in the forum, and drive many away with all the BS that results. A moderator has to put a stop to it.

I have no opinion on Jimbo. Maybe he should have been banned, maybe not. It's a judgment call, and (thank God) it's not my job to make such judgments. What has really bothered me is how people have jumped on Mr. Wilson in such a public and often abusive way. He's doing a pretty thankless job for our benefit. I think he does it well, maybe you don't. But he doesn't deserve the scorn many have heaped on him.

To those who have jumped all over him, I ask "Could you do better?" To me, the fact that you participated in his public hanging shows you don't have the termperment for it. I'm grateful Dave has a thicker skin than you (or I) would have.

So, again I say, thank you Mr. Wilson.
 
Mr. Wilson. first let me say I would not want you job under any circumstances!!! I would not want to worry about the short fellow stalking me:eek: :D :D !!!

When dealing with the personalities, and back grounds of the Az Membership it is impossible to please every member with any decision made on this forum.

However, decisions must be made, while everyone is biased to some extent no matter how hard they try not to be, I have not seen favoritism shown to any member where the outlined rules set for this forum were violated.

I myself have been warned by you personally, and while I was caught in the moment, I do understand that it was necessary for you to step in and halt the situation in question. I also understand that due to these actions control is maintained, which is the best thing when people become to passionate about a subject, and when any post becomes a waste of bandwidth due to senseless bickering that will never be resolved.

In closing I think that Leadership is never easy, some people are born with the ability and others must learn to be a leader, either way it is never easy to make the decisions a leader makes daily. However, I do think that to date, what I have seen, heard, and been involved with on this forum ( even though I have not been a member very long ) have been handled in a professional manner, and have been handled for the betterment of this forum and the membership in general. That said, please keep up the good work, and do not allow anything to change the rules, or effect the convictions of your actions, because here on this forum and in the world in general everyone is expendable and know one is perfect and every one is responsible for their individual actions.

Have a nice night!!!!!!

Manwon
 
JoeyA said:
I also hope that you and Mike will consider granting AMNESTY to ALL of those who might want to return to the fold. There are many who make/made this forum interesting and I would love to see a wholesale amnesty on AZ's part at least until the pardoned parties fail to follow the rules of engagement.

WHOLESALE AMNESTY could bring a new wave of understanding from all parties.

You and Mike have a tough job riding herd on so many different personalities.
JoeyA
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I've been reluctant to post anything on this topic until now, but think that the idea of granting "wholesale amnesty" is not a good one. It sounds alright, but in practice I think it would open up a whole new Pandora's box.

It also seems to me that creating multiple anonymous moderators will bring more problems than it solves.

Mr. Wilson does a fine job, IMHO, of policing this forum.

A little while ago I searched out the posts of a recently banned poster to get a feel for his posts, and the idea that a poster would refer to someone as being a drunk -- even if true -- goes far beyond the pale. That sort of detraction or slander or libel, even when offered in the guise of a joke -- is unacceptable.

Keeping an eye on the posts of more than 8,000 posters is no small task, and I'd suggest that Mr. Wilson deserves our thanks for helping to keep the forum relatively civil.

Flex
 
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