Oscar vs. Schmidt 10 ahead one pocket, streaming

iusedtoberich said:
. It started to grow....

There was one shot I saw I was surprised Schmidt took. I have no idea when it was, probably around 12:30 am Eastern time on day 2. I think the score was 7-5 or 7-6 in favor of JS. There were 2 the head rail, and if there was a 3rd, it must have been somewhere else (depending on which score was right). 1 of them was in the jaws of the head rail. Oscar pocketed the first ball on the head rail, it spotted. Then JS pocketed the one that was hanging. It spotted. Then Oscar played a safe off of the 2 spotted balls, putting them both in play.

I did that once and asked about it at one pocket.org 15 years ago. I said to myself even though I'm putting all the balls in play, he will be the first to shoot the long distance safe shot from frozen off the head rail, and could make a mistake. Every member there said I made a mistake, and I should have immediately knocked the first spotted ball away from long distance, rather than put the hanging ball in play.

When JS did this, none of the commentators said a word good or bad.
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It is hard to question the shooter's choice and there certainly are advantages and disadvantages to the shot choices you stated.

Putting both balls in play is definitely risky but people have made a crazy shot and knocked in that hanging ball to continue their turns too.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I read on the YT description it was 2 full days of play, then prorate. IDK if they decided to change that at the end of day 2 and keep playing, or it was never intended to be 2 days only from the start, and the description was incorrect.

I did end up watching a couple hours total. It started to grow on me.

There was one shot I saw I was surprised Schmidt took. I have no idea when it was, probably around 12:30 am Eastern time on day 2. I think the score was 7-5 or 7-6 in favor of JS. There were 2 the head rail, and if there was a 3rd, it must have been somewhere else (depending on which score was right). 1 of them was in the jaws of the head rail. Oscar pocketed the first ball on the head rail, it spotted. Then JS pocketed the one that was hanging. It spotted. Then Oscar played a safe off of the 2 spotted balls, putting them both in play.

I did that once and asked about it at one pocket.org 15 years ago. I said to myself even though I'm putting all the balls in play, he will be the first to shoot the long distance safe shot from frozen off the head rail, and could make a mistake. Every member there said I made a mistake, and I should have immediately knocked the first spotted ball away from long distance, rather than put the hanging ball in play.

When JS did this, none of the commentators said a word good or bad.
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The decision to keep playing was made after Day 2 ended.
 
Black-Balled said:
It is hard to question the shooter's choice and there certainly are advantages and disadvantages to the shot choices you stated.

Putting both balls in play is definitely risky but people have made a crazy shot and knocked in that hanging ball to continue their turns too.
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The shooter has to weight the probability of their shot shot choices and then execute .
If the execution isn't as planned ,we as viewers say oh that was a poor choice. In reality the shooter may have felt it was their best option.

I have watched maybe a hour total. I have been very impressed with both players cueball skills and good shot choices. Oscar has been a little too aggressive at times and John has played a little lackadaisical when running balls. He can run over 400 but can't get 8 ?
 
iusedtoberich said:
I read on the YT description it was 2 full days of play, then prorate. IDK if they decided to change that at the end of day 2 and keep playing, or it was never intended to be 2 days only from the start, and the description was incorrect.

I did end up watching a couple hours total. It started to grow on me.

There was one shot I saw I was surprised Schmidt took. I have no idea when it was, probably around 12:30 am Eastern time on day 2. I think the score was 7-5 or 7-6 in favor of JS. There were 2 the head rail, and if there was a 3rd, it must have been somewhere else (depending on which score was right). 1 of them was in the jaws of the head rail. Oscar pocketed the first ball on the head rail, it spotted. Then JS pocketed the one that was hanging. It spotted. Then Oscar played a safe off of the 2 spotted balls, putting them both in play.

I did that once and asked about it at one pocket.org 15 years ago. I said to myself even though I'm putting all the balls in play, he will be the first to shoot the long distance safe shot from frozen off the head rail, and could make a mistake. Every member there said I made a mistake, and I should have immediately knocked the first spotted ball away from long distance, rather than put the hanging ball in play.

When JS did this, none of the commentators said a word good or bad.
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A lot has changed in 15 years too. Some shots that I was told never, ever to take are now commonplace among the pros.
 
i saw a bunch of shots where oscar came up short on position where going farther wouldnt have hurt at all and banks that stopped short of the pocket where there wasnt a need to have that happen.
overall both were playing well.
 
iusedtoberich said:
I read on the YT description it was 2 full days of play, then prorate. IDK if they decided to change that at the end of day 2 and keep playing, or it was never intended to be 2 days only from the start, and the description was incorrect.

I did end up watching a couple hours total. It started to grow on me.

There was one shot I saw I was surprised Schmidt took. I have no idea when it was, probably around 12:30 am Eastern time on day 2. I think the score was 7-5 or 7-6 in favor of JS. There were 2 the head rail, and if there was a 3rd, it must have been somewhere else (depending on which score was right). 1 of them was in the jaws of the head rail. Oscar pocketed the first ball on the head rail, it spotted. Then JS pocketed the one that was hanging. It spotted. Then Oscar played a safe off of the 2 spotted balls, putting them both in play.

I did that once and asked about it at one pocket.org 15 years ago. I said to myself even though I'm putting all the balls in play, he will be the first to shoot the long distance safe shot from frozen off the head rail, and could make a mistake. Every member there said I made a mistake, and I should have immediately knocked the first spotted ball away from long distance, rather than put the hanging ball in play.

When JS did this, none of the commentators said a word good or bad.
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You know, sometimes it just depends.

The problem is that there is an old school philosophy out there, instilled in others by the old-timers, that has little to do with how the game is played nowadays. I can clearly hear Danny D saying you don't kick at a ball unless you're mad at your money or dumping your backer. Tell that to the newer crop of players who will kill you kicking at all kinds of shots.

Lou Figueroa
 
I've watched 6 hours or so and they play pretty even. Seems like the only way either is going to get 10 ahead is play non stop with a 30 minute break say every 3 or 4 hours.
Then one of them will wear out and start making mistakes and we might get a winner. This feels more like a exhibition than a money match. I watched 2 guys play 8 ahead for 6k at valley state 1 year,they played all night. At 7 am the tournament officials kicked them of of the table. The table was the only winner that night as they were dumping quarters in it all night. I don't know if they finished that match ot not.
 
maha said:
i saw a bunch of shots where oscar came up short on position where going farther wouldnt have hurt at all and banks that stopped short of the pocket where there wasnt a need to have that happen.
overall both were playing well.
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Good observation. I noticed the banks but not the short position ones.
 
Stream is back on. I think they might just be continuing the ahead race.

 
lfigueroa said:
You know, sometimes it just depends.

The problem is that there is an old school philosophy out there, instilled in others by the old-timers, that has little to do with how the game is played nowadays. I can clearly hear Danny D saying you don't kick at a ball unless you're mad at your money or dumping your backer. Tell that to the newer crop of players who will kill you kicking at all kinds of shots.

Lou Figueroa
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The difference now is that people kick with control, it used to be hit and hope
 
the best way to play a long ahead is to let the person behind out anytime he wants at the prorated position he is in.
 
My main takeaway from this match and after reviewing a bit of the Barton/Figueroa match (or is it Figueroa/Barton ;) ) is that one-pocket is practically -- exponentially more difficult to play correctly, the further DOWN the food chain you go. At the top, the shot percentages are so ridiculously high that it's way easier to calculate what shots you should actually shoot. But if you take a good amateur player, he'll have to constantly run the percentages, making the calculations so much more complicated, and possibly more mentally exhausting.

That's probably pretty obvious stuff there, but I hadn't really thought about it until just the other day.
 
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