Outside english on cut shots...
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... except for the examples illustrated and demonstrated here:
Regards,
Dave
Jay, I'll give it a shot.
Dave, that's interesting about inside to cut balls in. I remember Russ C. advocating inside on thin cuts heavily claiming it "opened up the pockets 10-15%" or some such. Never did buy it. But having read your link, does inside actually decrease CIT on thinner hits? It's sometimes less throw than just plain center, is that what I'm reading?
Dave, that's interesting about inside to cut balls in. I remember Russ C. advocating inside on thin cuts heavily claiming it "opened up the pockets 10-15%" or some such. Never did buy it. But having read your link, does inside actually decrease CIT on thinner hits? It's sometimes less throw than just plain center, is that what I'm reading?
Check out the diagrams in my February '07 BD article. Inside English does reduce CIT on thinner hits (larger cut angles). However, using English on thin cuts is probably not the best advice for most people due to the variables of squirt and swerve (i.e., English hurts your precision), IMO. Now, for really thin cuts, outside English helps more because the spin can reverse the direction of the throw (see Diagram 3 in the article).
Regards,
Dave
Outside English can increase throw, decrease (or even reverse) throw, and eliminate throw. The tough part is getting the right amount. For more info, see:
HSV B.33 - Outside English gearing, and cut and spin-induced throw
Regards,
Dave
You're welcome.
I aim to squerve (and throw),
Dave
"English" usually refers to side-spin only (e.g. "left English" = clockwise spin), but the term can also be used to describe a combination of side-spin and top/bottom-spin (e.g., top-left English). "English" should probably be lower case ("english"), but most billiards publications use upper case ("English").
OK, what's the punch line?
Dave
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"English" usually refers to side-spin only (e.g. "left English" = clockwise spin), but the term can also be used to describe a combination of side-spin and top/bottom-spin (e.g., top-left English). "English" should probably be lower case ("english"), but most billiards publications use upper case ("English").
OK, what's the punch line?
Dave
haha. that's "what's broken english". most publications got it wrong.
english is.......not spin. no joke. it's center. not check either.
what's check? or is it chezch?
One more little thing to practice. If you're fairly close to the object ball and have an extremely thin cut shot, try using center low english and hitting it hard. You will not lose the cue ball and you can actually cut the ball thinner this way. Like a full 90 degrees. Works well when cutting a ball down the rail (not a frozen ball, one that is an inch or two off the rail). Very hard to make this shot with any other english. Just try it, that's all I ask. Keep trying thinner and thinner cuts. You will be amazed what's possible to make.
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I will have to remember that. Jerry Nicholson in MD used to do that a lot.
But, on the other hand:
On an extreme close up cut shot, I like to use a lot of inside english. Since throw doesn't have a lot to do with an extreme cut shot, the reason I do this is due in part to seeing the cue ball and the object ball within a narrower vision range. In other words, you can see the edge to edge better because your cue tip is more in the line of sight/vision. If you want to demonstrate what I am talking about, try using exreme outside english whereupon you will discover that it is harder now to focus on the edge to edge of the balls slightly overlapping because your eyes are on the other freaking side of the shot.
That sounds like a "stop shot" or a "drag shot" or a "hold shot" or "shortening the CB rebound angle off a cushion with draw." "Check English" usually refers to "reverse English." FYI, definitions for all of these phrases (and many more related phrases) can be found here:
Regards,
Dave
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I don't think that's it.
"Hold shots" sounds like something that would be really bad for your game, right?
Nope.
hold shot: cut shot where you use SIT and/or draw to limit cue ball motion.
That's all good when needed.
Regards,
Dave
Draw can create "drag" to slow the CB some before or after contact; but with a really thin hit, I think a rolling CB shot is the best approach (i.e., just "cinch" it, and use more speed if table roll-off is a concern). For more info, see:
Regards,
Dave