Oxymoron - Invitational World Championship

NYC cue dude said:
um, the NFL does choose. You and 31 friends can't show up with helmets on Sunday and ask "where do we play".

As far as me, you don't know ANYTHING about me. Don't start that nonsense that i come off bigger than the sport. Truth is, I don't really careuch for the "sport". I love the game. I am close with some players. That's the ONLY reason i am involved at all. Furthermore, EVERY OTHER PROMOTER in the world wants to profit from their events, EXCEPT ME. All the money i give is DONATED.

New sherrif, cool. As long asy best friend takes his money, i couldnt care less. Lmao

Rg
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oh its obvious what you do and dont care about trust me! "because i can".you mentioned money 2 times in this post but like you said you could care less.i wont argue,it pointless after all you can give a fool all the money in the world and he is still just a rich fool:cool:
 
Bob Jewett said:
That statement is false.
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I knew you would post that Bob. There is a BIG difference between losing money on an event, or making up any shortfalls after the fact as opposed to going into an event, donating money with the expectation beforehand that there is no possibility or desire to recoup the money.

but, if in fact, you have done the latter, than I apologize for the misstatement.

Regards

Rg
 
CreeDo said:
Maybe when pool gets taken seriously by a large chunk of the usa (not to mention others), it will be more important to make sure that the tournament format and seeding and qualifying and all that other blah-blah is perfectly fair. Until that day, it really works against pool in general if joe blow overhears people talk as if awesome tournament was 'rigged' and that the title is worthless. That's a pretty nasty thing to say about a very good tournament (where imo the best player won... ask him if he feels like his title was worthless and if he was rigged to get the top spot rather than having to work damn hard for it).
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I didn't any comments about any particular competition

There are rules to follow to have a horse run in the Kentucky Derby.

There are competitive benchmarks to to compete in the the U.S. Tennis Open

Neither would retain their stature and prestige if entry was capricious - how the winner would feel about the victory in such a contest is of no interest to the public who have seen the wonderful world of boxing.:D

As for all you baseball historians:
The first recorded baseball game was played in Beachville Ontario
Babe Ruth hit his first pro home run in Toronto
Jackie Robinson broke the colour barrier in Montreal
And the Toronto Blue Jays won the World Series twice:D :D :D
 
I understand about the WPA but what you must realize is that perception is reality...especially when it comes to fans and spectators. It is not the fault of the general public that they are ignorant...it is the job of the WPA to "better" the sport and make the organization legitimate. At this time many posters on this forum and many pool fans around the world feel that there is no true world pool championship or legitimate pool organization. Therefore, the sanctioning body of pool is weak.

Ask any football fan who sanctions football in america...they will say NFL

Ask any baseball fan who sanctions baseball in america...they will say MLB

Ask a pool fan who sanctions pool in america and you will get a lot of different answers or a lot of people that say "I don't know."

Although I am not a soccer fan, take a look at FIFA...they have the real deal. Pool should take a page from Soccer if they want to be a great and organized international sport.

www.fifa.com
 
bomber said:
I understand about the WPA but what you must realize is that perception is reality...especially when it comes to fans and spectators. It is not the fault of the general public that they are ignorant...it is the job of the WPA to "better" the sport and make the organization legitimate. At this time many posters on this forum and many pool fans around the world feel that there is no true world pool championship or legitimate pool organization. Therefore, the sanctioning body of pool is weak.

Ask any football fan who sanctions football in america...they will say NFL

Ask any baseball fan who sanctions baseball in america...they will say MLB

Ask a pool fan who sanctions pool in america and you will get a lot of different answers or a lot of people that say "I don't know."

Although I am not a soccer fan, take a look at FIFA...they have the real deal. Pool should take a page from Soccer if they want to be a great and organized international sport.

www.fifa.com
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right on! hell no the fans in general dont understand all the politics and guidelines.we would all need a handbook and a corporate lawyer to interpret it for us.but somehow thats the fans fault?
 
You see I think that is the big conflict that you and Grady have. Grady has lost a good amount of money on the last couple of events he produced. So did you. The difference is you didnt care and expected that. I think that he and many others are somewhat miffed that happens. I have good friends in NY and they tell me you will put up money just to have 2 good players match up for it.The winner takes the cash you get nothing in return. I think that is highly commendable if you have the disposable cash but at the same time the attitude that comes with it ticks a lot of people off.
Its like my old lady who busted her butt getting her Masters through student loans and is now trying to get her PHD sees these young freshman with their $3000 Gucci and Prada bags and are on mommy and daddy's ticket. It just ticks her off. Of course their cocky attitude doesnt help either.
All in all I'm happy that you and Lou can send over some needed cash to the pool world. I mean you could have fallen in love with bowling.
 
bomber said:
I understand about the WPA but what you must realize is that perception is reality...especially when it comes to fans and spectators. It is not the fault of the general public that they are ignorant...it is the job of the WPA to "better" the sport and make the organization legitimate. At this time many posters on this forum and many pool fans around the world feel that there is no true world pool championship or legitimate pool organization. Therefore, the sanctioning body of pool is weak.

Ask any football fan who sanctions football in america...they will say NFL

Ask any baseball fan who sanctions baseball in america...they will say MLB

Ask a pool fan who sanctions pool in america and you will get a lot of different answers or a lot of people that say "I don't know."

Although I am not a soccer fan, take a look at FIFA...they have the real deal. Pool should take a page from Soccer if they want to be a great and organized international sport.

www.fifa.com
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the poolworld IS build up like FIFA. The only problems it that you yankees can't decide what is the governing body for USA!

In pool we've got the world governing body WPA. Soccer has FIFA.

In Europe it is EPBF that is the governing body for pool and UEFA for soccer. Both are responsible for organizing European Championships and sending players/teams to the World Championship.

Then, in Europe, we have for example the FA (Soccer) and BPPPA (pool) in England, who organize a national ranking (Premier League in soccer) and BPPPA-tour in pool. In Norway we have NBF and NFF (pool and soccer) which does the same in Norway.

Why don't the americans soon get it? The problem is in America! Get a governing body for America, build a PRO pool league in America, host national championships like we have European Championships!
 
g-d d@mn it Roy!!!! Stop feeding these people facts. Don't you know that if you continue, then they will have to reconsider all their irrational bashing.

Rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
g-d d@mn it Roy!!!! Stop feeding these people facts. Don't you know that if you continue, then they will have to reconsider all their irrational bashing.

Rg
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I am so sorry, but I forgot that they don't want the truth... It's easier to complain and whine about thing, then realize what needs to be done... I totally forgot. Please forgive me. Actually, please give me bad rep everytime I forget! I deserve it...
 
Roy,

I agree that the US is lagging behind...if you would read my posts and pay attention then you would realize that instead of just assuming that all "yankees" are one in the same. Some of here actually have intelligence. America has a huge problem when it comes to pool and I highly respect both Europe and Asia.
 
Scaramouche said:
Sitting on the outside, and completely unfamiliar with the wild west disorganization of U.S. pool, it seems to me that a World Championship should have clear criteria for qualifying.

If no clear method for qualifying exists, and instead entry is based on invitations, lobbying, personal feuds, and sponsor favouritism, the "world championship" has no credibility.

To complain about being left out has nothing to do with the reputation of the player excluded, and everything to do with wanting a crack at the money.

To win a "world championship" that has been rigged to exclude highly competitive players is to achieve a worthless title. And everyone will know it.
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With the current state of US Pro Pool, the title "Professional Poolplayer" is an oxymoron. IMHO :cool:
 
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bomber,
No one has questioned your intelligence. Afterall, it is very clear, as evidenced by virtue that you are a teacher, in Kentucky no less. But cut some slack for the rest us for questioning the rationale behind your blanket statement that pool can't have a world championship- period.

I explained why I disagree, follwed by bob and Roy. Hopefully, moving forward, you wont make such blatantly incorrect statements for the benefit of the truly uninformed to adopt as GOSPEL. Then to make matters worse, your self admission that you in fact knew better, beforehand, makes your post that much more puzzling.

In other words, you gotta be careful what you say around here. Some of the natives don't know how to handle misinformation. Its kinda like giving a razor blade to a toddler.


Rg
 
bomber said:
Roy,

I agree that the US is lagging behind...if you would read my posts and pay attention then you would realize that instead of just assuming that all "yankees" are one in the same. Some of here actually have intelligence. America has a huge problem when it comes to pool and I highly respect both Europe and Asia.
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I might sounded a little too harsh in my post, which was not intentional. I know that some Americans understands what needs to be done. Guess I have grown into being harsh after fighting in some of the other threads in this forum recently, over the same topic...
 
Roy Steffensen said:
I might sounded a little too harsh in my post, which was not intentional. I know that some Americans understands what needs to be done. Guess I have grown into being harsh after fighting in some of the other threads in this forum recently, over the same topic...
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Anyone remembers BCA, what supposedly the governing body of US Pool that is recognize by WPA? :D



Roy,

On a serious note, why would WPA sanction an event that is not sanctioned by BCA? It's like getting step on.
 
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Bob Jewett said:
Each year, the WPA conducts a World Championship in 9 Ball. Each region (and each country within the regions) sends its best players to the event. This has been in place since about 1992. I think that anyone who has followed those championships would agree that they really are the World 9-Ball Championships. There is no other tournament claiming that title.

The WPA is recognized by the International Olympic Committee (through the WCBS) as the world governing body for pool.

The WPA also began World Championships in eight ball a few years ago after a sponsor stepped forward. Last year the WPA Straight Pool Championships started largely due to a generous sponsor.

The US has never been big on recognizing world governing bodies or doing legitimate world championships. Take, for example, baseball. Or boxing. In the case of one pocket, I recall a so-called "World Championship" that was set up by two players and a lot of hype. Was the winner a "world champion?" Of course not.

Now there is a legitimate organization for international pool competitions. It makes me sad that there are so many in the US that are both totally ignorant about how it works and are unwilling to support it. I think that attitude is part of the reason that the US has dropped into second-rank status in pool.
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Bob we may never agree on what causes skids/kicks :) but that was an exceptional post.

IMO the only dofference between the 14.1 worlds and the 9 ball worlds is the popularity of the game/prize money. Nobody can make players turn up if they don't take up their invite.
 
crosseyedjoe said:
Anyone remembers BCA, what supposedly the governing body of US Pool that is recognize by WPA? :D



Roy,

On a serious note, why would WPA sanction an event that is not sanctioned by BCA? It's like getting step on.
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Bca can only sanction events in the states. Any event sanctioned by the wpa here, has the bca's blessing. Are you referring to the 14.1 event? If so, that event is run ENTIRELY in accordance with the guidelines in order for it to be the official world championship.

Rg
 
NYC cue dude said:
... but, if in fact, you have done the latter, than I apologize for the misstatement....
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Whether or not I've donated isn't the issue. I know of at least seven people who have donated large amounts to tournaments with no expectation of any return at all except maybe a mention in a tournament program or recognition at the closing ceremony or a few VIP passes. While what you have done to promote pool is great, it is not unique.
 
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