How about if the WPA arranged 60 hours of live TV of a world championship? Would you give them a "job well done" if they managed that?bomber said:
Oxymoron - Invitational World Championship
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NYC cue dude said:
Did the channel go from promoter-BCA-WPA or promoter-WPA? Hypothetically speaking if BCA said no, I assume WPA won't sanction it, correct?
NYC cue dude
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crosseyedjoe said:
The channel is correct. The bca in fact hands out the top ranked players invites according tu upa standings. As an example, rodney, who doesn't play str8 pool, was invited according to his ranking. Japans equivalent to the bca, gave out their nations invites. Germany's "bca" gave out their nations invites. And so on. There has to be a certain percentage of the field come internationally. Not sure of exact number, but its close to half.
Rg
NYC cue dude said:
Once again NYC dude, the subject has obviously gone over your head...perhaps this is due to you having a biased point of view since you are a tournament promoter and all. But, we can always agree to disagree politely instead of making fun of my home state in such a condescending way.
Perhaps if you make it to the DCC we could gamble on Jeopardy and test this old hillbilly country hick from Kentucky in one of them good ole fashioned smarts contests. Hell, I could probably get the ole academic team buzzers from my one room school house and make a real game of it. Heck, this old toothless country hick would post up a few ears of corn on it.
Hell, while were at it, you should just come on down here for my wedding...it will be a rooting tooting good time. My sister/fiance would love to have you! I might introduce you to my aunt lucy bell owens...you know...my first wife. And golly gee, dont worry about one of dem fancy hotel rooms...you can share a bed with my best coon dog Norma Gene. She slobbers a bit, but she wont bite ya.
And if your real nice we could have us a drink of that good old mountain lightning...or as yall northerns calls it...moonshine...as long as my cousins Bo and Luke Duke hadnt drunked it all up by then. Might even get the old corncob pipe out. Sounds like a real hoedown to me. Anybody else wanna come, just let me know.
But seriously, we can agree to disagree politely and amicablly(sp)...or, perhaps that just isnt in your nature. The post is about the difficulties that the pool world faces and we Americans are part of it. Until someone in this country organizes our players and we respect the international sanctioning body, we will never have a true World Champion...you dont have to agree with it, but its the truth...and sometimes it hurts. It seems to me that the biggest problem in American pool is fighting promoters and bickering pool players.
And, by the way, that is not a blanketed statement. Many folks on here and in the spectator seats will know the folks I am talking about.
New York, New York
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Start spreading the news
World Pool Championship today
I want to be a part of it, New York, New York
These vagabond shoes
Are longing to stray
And make a brand new start of it
New York, New York
I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps
To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old New York
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York.
I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps
To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old New York
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York.
Just give me a shot Randy!!!
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Start spreading the news
World Pool Championship today
I want to be a part of it, New York, New York
These vagabond shoes
Are longing to stray
And make a brand new start of it
New York, New York
I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps
To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old New York
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York.
I want to wake up in the city that never sleeps
To find I'm king of the hill, top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old New York
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you, New York, New York.
Just give me a shot Randy!!!
theres some more green for ya!bomber said:Once again NYC dude, the subject has obviously gone over your head...perhaps this is due to you having a biased point of view since you are a tournament promoter and all. But, we can always agree to disagree politely instead of making fun of my home state in such a condescending way.
Perhaps if you make it to the DCC we could gamble on Jeopardy and test this old hillbilly country hick from Kentucky in one of them good ole fashioned smarts contests. Hell, I could probably get the ole academic team buzzers from my one room school house and make a real game of it. Heck, this old toothless country hick would post up a few ears of corn on it.
Hell, while were at it, you should just come on down here for my wedding...it will be a rooting tooting good time. My sister/fiance would love to have you! I might introduce you to my aunt lucy bell owens...you know...my first wife. And golly gee, dont worry about one of dem fancy hotel rooms...you can share a bed with my best coon dog Norma Gene. She slobbers a bit, but she wont bite ya.
And if your real nice we could have us a drink of that good old mountain lightning...or as yall northerns calls it...moonshine...as long as my cousins Bo and Luke Duke hadnt drunked it all up by then. Might even get the old corncob pipe out. Sounds like a real hoedown to me. Anybody else wanna come, just let me know.
But seriously, we can agree to disagree politely and amicablly(sp)...or, perhaps that just isnt in your nature. The post is about the difficulties that the pool world faces and we Americans are part of it. Until someone in this country organizes our players and we respect the international sanctioning body, we will never have a true World Champion...you dont have to agree with it, but its the truth...and sometimes it hurts. It seems to me that the biggest problem in American pool is fighting promoters and bickering pool players.
And, by the way, that is not a blanketed statement. Many folks on here and in the spectator seats will know the folks I am talking about.
i would crack on new york but i know some really intelligent individuals from there but kentucky? hes a class act huh?NYC cue dude
Banned
no punter, I won't. I don't like you.
NYC cue dude
Banned
punter said:
I only wish it was true. Too bad its something money can't buy.
Randy, I don't know which "world straight pool championships" you are referring to, but I attended the World Pocket Billiards Championship in New York City in 1968 (Crane won), and also the same event in Los Angeles in 1970 (Crane won again), and there were a helluva lot more than 8 contestants. The game was 14.1.NYC cue dude said:
However, you're correct in stating that these events were invitational.
Doc
NYC cue dude said:
Money, money, money. You like to talk about it. Your ego precedes you. You even made it sound like you came in to save the day when your parents got greatly increased orders for their company's product. Your reputation/contribution in the pool world will never match Grady Mathews, you can't buy that. But I'm sure that won't stop you from trying.
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I'm Waiting With Bait On My Breath
Well, I'm a spectator and I think that I know what you're talking about.
Here's my anwer:
Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold water.
After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.
Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.
After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here.
Doug
( please take my answer/example and see how it fits the discussion in this instance..... and then get back to me A.S.A.P. )
bomber said:
Well, I'm a spectator and I think that I know what you're talking about.
Here's my anwer:
Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana. As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all of the other monkeys with cold water.
After a while, another monkey makes an attempt with the same result all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.
Now, put away the cold water. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs, he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm! Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.
Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.
After replacing all the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not? Because as far as they know that's the way it's always been done around here.
Doug
( please take my answer/example and see how it fits the discussion in this instance..... and then get back to me A.S.A.P. )
I like both your post and new avatar
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Both may be changed at a moments notice....
Doug
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Roy Steffensen said:
Both may be changed at a moments notice....
Doug
( or quicker )
My understanding is that some of the spots of those "world" 14.1 tournaments were reserved for the winners of open tournaments. To that extent there was a non-invitational path to entry. What was certainly lacking at that time was any attempt to get world participation in the event (unless Chenier from Canada counts as the rest of the world).gulfportdoc said:
In the case of the current World 9-Ball Championships, I would not describe the entries as "invitational." Most of the players will be selected by the competitive rankings within their regions. That's not an arbitrary invitation, it is a selection process. I think the tournament organizer holds some number of "wild card" spots and the players chosen for those spots are pretty much his call, but I think that's fair considering what the organizer provides. I think that the WC9B organizer gets to pick perhaps 5-10% of the field. There are also several qualifiers at the site before the main event starts, so in theory any player who has been excluded otherwise has a shot. For some championships, the host country gets a few extra spots.
you had me going . . .
Bomber,
You had me going . . . . hook line and sinker. I bought it all until you claimed you would let a yankee share your best coon dog's bed. That's when I had to call BS. I've got a bunch of friends in Kentucky and a yankee would have a better chance of sharing a bed with their wife and twelve year old daughter together than with their best coon dog!
Hu
Bomber,
You had me going . . . . hook line and sinker. I bought it all until you claimed you would let a yankee share your best coon dog's bed. That's when I had to call BS. I've got a bunch of friends in Kentucky and a yankee would have a better chance of sharing a bed with their wife and twelve year old daughter together than with their best coon dog!
Hu
bomber said:Once again NYC dude, the subject has obviously gone over your head...perhaps this is due to you having a biased point of view since you are a tournament promoter and all. But, we can always agree to disagree politely instead of making fun of my home state in such a condescending way.
Perhaps if you make it to the DCC we could gamble on Jeopardy and test this old hillbilly country hick from Kentucky in one of them good ole fashioned smarts contests. Hell, I could probably get the ole academic team buzzers from my one room school house and make a real game of it. Heck, this old toothless country hick would post up a few ears of corn on it.
Hell, while were at it, you should just come on down here for my wedding...it will be a rooting tooting good time. My sister/fiance would love to have you! I might introduce you to my aunt lucy bell owens...you know...my first wife. And golly gee, dont worry about one of dem fancy hotel rooms...you can share a bed with my best coon dog Norma Gene. She slobbers a bit, but she wont bite ya.
And if your real nice we could have us a drink of that good old mountain lightning...or as yall northerns calls it...moonshine...as long as my cousins Bo and Luke Duke hadnt drunked it all up by then. Might even get the old corncob pipe out. Sounds like a real hoedown to me. Anybody else wanna come, just let me know.
But seriously, we can agree to disagree politely and amicablly(sp)...or, perhaps that just isnt in your nature. The post is about the difficulties that the pool world faces and we Americans are part of it. Until someone in this country organizes our players and we respect the international sanctioning body, we will never have a true World Champion...you dont have to agree with it, but its the truth...and sometimes it hurts. It seems to me that the biggest problem in American pool is fighting promoters and bickering pool players.
And, by the way, that is not a blanketed statement. Many folks on here and in the spectator seats will know the folks I am talking about.