I think he did one too many yogas when he used to be into that stuff.
Accelerating the edge of the tip at contact? Cacapoopoo.
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I think he did one too many yogas when he used to be into that stuff.
Accelerating the edge of the tip at contact? Cacapoopoo.
No I assure you... You can hit the center of the cueball with the edge of the tip.. You keep getting trapped in the concept that the cue can only be swung on a level plane.. We went thru this when you discounted the existence or possibility of an up stroke.....
What if the cue is swung on plane with the tip lowered and the butt raised... You would be able to hit the cueball with the top edge of the tip many different places with the limits being the curvature of the ball so that you started to catch the tip closer to center on top and on the side instead of the shoulder for draw......
I am still not saying it has or doesn't have a benefit as it has not been tested... Discounting something that is untested is once again in the realm of opinion... again like your opinion that the upstroke has no value or cannot be performed....
It comes down to considering that there are millions of players and millions of strokes and some of them are going to attack the cueball differently and they are going to still be able to likely play the game at phenominal levels...
Discounting is simply closing oneself to an open mind and learning something we didn't know.....
Don't be silly SJ. It is CJ's explanation and you will have to send him some Pay Pal in order to find out what it is.
Few among us AZB-ers are physicists or (acoustics engineers?) of course, but if you had to guess, CJ, what would be the cause of the hit's sound changing to a higher pitch when pinning? The slightly harder, relatively less-compressible region of the tip's edge?
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Don't worry about it overly Arnaldo. It was most likely a made up on the spot theory and someone will have to figure a story to go along with it.
I have no idea on how you would use the edge of a tip to strike the cue ball.
And to what advantage that would possibly create. I believe that you would be like most members here and it would be the first time that you have heard of such a term.
If someone were actually interested in telling people what it was, an explanation would have been posted instead of a vague answer, as much to say, "I know something, you don't know".
Not the first time that it has happened here and likely not the last.
I have no idea on how you would use the edge of a tip to strike the cue ball.
And to what advantage that would possibly create. I believe that you would be like most members here and it would be the first time that you have heard of such a term.
If someone were actually interested in telling people what it was, an explanation would have been posted instead of a vague answer, as much to say, "I know something, you don't know".
Not the first time that it has happened here and likely not the last.
Maybe I can explain it so that everyone understands.......It is like the cue ball is not even being used....when a player is whacking them in....it is like he is shooting the object ball with his cue...and not the cue ball. Acceleration at the moment of impact plays a very important part of this feel.
The amount of time for the cue ball to hit the object ball is noticeably shorter in the players mind. He is in a high gear and dead stroke,
The amount of time for the cue ball to hit the object ball is noticeably shorter in the players mind. He is in a high gear and dead stroke,
A closed mind....
Mr. Pocket..What you are missing is, that explaining 'pinning' is way too deep and mysterious, to describe to the average layman !.. Therefore rambling, nonsense and doubletalk, is needed to further confuse the issue ! :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
PS..Obviously, only "road players" (and 'wannabe road players') can possibly comprehend its true meaning !
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Mr. Pocket..What you are missing is, that explaining 'pinning' is way too deep and mysterious, to describe to the average layman !.. Therefore rambling, nonsense and doubletalk, is needed to further confuse the issue ! :boring2: :boring2: :boring2:
PS..Obviously, only "road players" (and 'wannabe road players') can possibly comprehend its true meaning !
DICK welcome back and since you were only on the road in a delivery van I can see how you may have missed some things LOL... That windhsield is pretty thick.... Did you always hit the ball LEVEL? or did you alter your strike to change the way the cueball danced? This is really about semantics and I am very sure you could duplicate the strokes with a completely different vocabulary..
Sorry Renfro, but your explanation makes even less sense than CJ's !..Yes, I did take 20 years off, but I probably still have more 'road miles' playing pool, than either of you !
It was not too long ago that you were on a mission to prove Pat Flemming wrong because he said that you would never be able to run 100 in straight pool. Now you have an ama thread for all pool related topics and are even telling SJD what is what in a pool stroke. Times have changed I guess.
P.S. How long did it take you to prove Pat wrong?
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Buddy was certainly the master at pinning the cue ball with the edge of his tip.
It's not just hitting the cue ball with the edge of the tip, it's also how the cue accelerates at contact. Buddy Hall used to impress me with this technique when I was just a teenager, practicing with him down in Tampa Fl at Bakers.
It's obvious that we can make the cue ball react quicker than most players - and there's no physical reason? Buddy Hall is the first one to tell me how it's done, and he was certainly the master at pinning the cue ball with the edge of his tip.
Of course there is, and whether a player calls it "Pinning" or not is beside the point. I've personally never heard it called by any other name on this forum, or anywhere else.
It's not just hitting the cue ball with the edge of the tip, it's also how the cue accelerates at contact. Buddy Hall used to impress me with this technique when I was just a teenager, practicing with him down in Tampa Fl at Bakers.
It's obvious that we can make the cue ball react quicker than most players - and there's no physical reason? Buddy Hall is the first one to tell me how it's done, and he was certainly the master at pinning the cue ball with the edge of his tip.
Of course there is, and whether a player calls it "Pinning" or not is beside the point. I've personally never heard it called by any other name on this forum, or anywhere else.
I'd never even heard of you before this forum.
I seriously doubt that!!!
You were not considered a road player, I'd never even heard of you before this forum.
Sorry Renfro, but your explanation makes even less sense than CJ's !..Yes, I did take 20 years off, but I probably still have more 'road miles' playing pool, than either of you !
I seriously doubt that!!!
You were not considered a road player, I'd never even heard of you before this forum.
By "edge of the tip" do you mean the rounded portion that surrounds the direct center of the tip? I too cant picture hitting with what would actually be the literal edge.
Maybe that could be to my credit,..Cooney didn't do bad operating that way, did he ? ..Very few "Roadmen" had a crew of photographer's following them around, to record their every move like you did !
PS..You apparently heard enough about me, to avoid me on your last trip to Phoenix..(when I was in my late 60's)
...You could have gotten played with, real high !
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You nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Been doing this for years but I call it smooth acceleration
What does "swung on plane" mean? Why do you need to use undefined terms to describe this stroke?
What's the supposed benefit if you were able to do the impossible and use the edge of the tip for any shot? Why would anybody want to do that? Because the sound is cool? Because the CB "reacts quicker"? It must mean something - CJ said it!
Get back to me when the gibberish stops.
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